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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -6| How much lower can we go?!

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Branduil

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yami4ct

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Branduil, you know what happened the last time we discussed Shakespeare in the anime-gaf thread? The other members weren't too happy about that.
 
For starters, there's
a whole huge chunk of time just missing
with no even hint of an explanation of what's happened then. Also, a lot of the final battle doesn't make a lick of sense. Most of the who's, what's and why's are left open for a lot of interpretation/speculation. Some shit just happens there with no beginnings of explaining why.
Thats how I felt. Feels like I missed a movie or 2.
 
Isn't that the one where the women of Athens all cockblock their husbands to convince them to stop a war or something? Does that count as tsundere? :lol
No, but it'd make a great base for one.

Or you could stick it in as a side episode of Tenchi Muyo or something.

Kill me.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
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I guess that this is where I say that if we're having a contest to find the earliest example of the character archetype in literature and not just animation, simply refer to the chief deity in any ancient religious text. What's the AnimeGAF equivalent of a 900-page thread in OT?
 

yami4ct

Member
It was announced a while ago as an all-new story by Sorachi.

Best case scenario right there.

What was that about again?

I think it started off with how ridiculous it was that a bunch of people on other boards/review sites compared their favorite shows to Shakespeare. It really took off when someone mentioned a post comparing Elfen Lied to Romeo and Juliet or something. It eventually devolved into us discussing our favorite Shakespeare plays and the merits of reading vs seeing a live stage performance.
 
For starters, there's
a whole huge chunk of time just missing
with no even hint of an explanation of what's happened then. Also, a lot of the final battle doesn't make a lick of sense. Most of the who's, what's and why's are left open for a lot of interpretation/speculation. Some shit just happens there with no beginnings of explaining why.

Oh, I missed this, sorry. The
chunk of time missing and some of what happened in the interim
was explained in the movie. As to why... no idea. And the final battle doesn't make sense because they don't WANT it to make sense yet. That'll be up to the next movie. Personally, the theory that
the new movies are some form of the TV series repeating itself, or that they will have some kind of similar parallel universe explanation
makes the most sense to me at the moment, and would explain the
dual spears, and why Kaworu knows Shinji.
 

yami4ct

Member
Oh, I missed this, sorry. The
chunk of time missing and some of what happened in the interim
was explained in the movie. As to why... no idea. And the final battle doesn't make sense because they don't WANT it to make sense yet. That'll be up to the next movie. Personally, the theory that
the new movies are some form of the TV series repeating itself, or that they will have some kind of similar parallel universe explanation
makes the most sense to me at the moment, and would explain the
dual spears, and why Kaworu knows Shinji.

They explained why
the chunk of time is missing
in the film, but not really what happened. It feels like some really important shit went down and we just aren't privy to it. Some important characters are straight up missing with no mention as to why or where. As for the fight, they might not want it to make sense and they sure as hell succeeded because it doesn't. "It'll be explained in 4.0" isn't an argument for 3.0 making a lick of sense.

To be clear, I really really like 3.0. I just am not trying to say that it's in any way a coherent film.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
[Chihayafuru 2] 08

Karuta Weeaboos: Just a level before Star Trek erotica fanfiction authors.

Hey man, they're all native Japanese, they've just embraced traditional Japanese hobbies in a desperate attempt to get their peers to stop being racist shits! I thought the episode made them out to be sympathetic characters.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Hey man, they're all native Japanese, they've just embraced traditional Japanese hobbies in a desperate attempt to get their peers to stop being racist shits! I thought the episode made them out to be sympathetic characters.
That doesn't change the fact that they are playing karuta. Shit's worse than anime.
 
They explained why
the chunk of time is missing
in the film, but not really what happened. It feels like some really important shit went down and we just aren't privy to it. Some important characters are straight up missing with no mention as to why or where. As for the fight, they might not want it to make sense and they sure as hell succeeded because it doesn't. "It'll be explained in 4.0" isn't an argument for 3.0 making a lick of sense.

To be clear, I really really like 3.0. I just am not trying to say that it's in any way a coherent film.
It's not meant to stand alone, it's meant to be taken in the context of the series and the other movies. Speculation:
Kaji is probably dead. We know he's a spy, and if the trailers for the third movie really take place before the movie happened, he probably has been found and killed already. This might be part of why Misato is acting the way she is, since she now thinks she knows what Gendo is really up to. Presumably, a bunch of people died during near 3rd-impact, and there was a coup of some kind. That's all that's important.
Every other character actually important to the plot is accounted for.

This still doesn't explain why the fuck Mari exists, which is the biggest mystery for me.
 

yami4ct

Member
Jane Austen has Charles Schultz beat by quite a bit.

I'm also sure if you look hard enough you can find tsunderes in the Shakespeare or the Bible.

Ok, I get it. I get it. I made a super, super dumb statement. It was an accident and I recanted. Can we all just drop it now? Haha.


It's not meant to stand alone, it's meant to be taken in the context of the series and the other movies. Speculation:
Kaji is probably dead. We know he's a spy, and if the trailers for the third movie really take place before the movie happened, he probably has been found and killed already. This might be part of why Misato is acting the way she is, since she now thinks she knows what Gendo is really up to. Presumably, a bunch of people died during near 3rd-impact, and there was a coup of some kind. That's all that's important.
Every other character actually important to the plot is accounted for.

This still doesn't explain why the fuck Mari exists, which is the biggest mystery for me.

No one said it was supposed to stand alone. All we've said is it doesn't make sense, because it doesn't. A lot of that shit you've said is super important and ought to be mentioned for the story to actually be coherent. So yeah, Eva 3.0 doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a thing.
 

Jarmel

Banned
So I broke and I'm reading through the manga for Attack on Titans. It's fairly good but not without some flaws. This is actually one of the few times where I hope they don't just retell the story 1 for 1 but rather Araki modifies some stuff. I do think a lot of scenes and the flow will work a lot better in animated form compared to just the manga though. Should be a good watch if Wit doesn't fuck this up.

Oh and I like Asano's designs over the originals.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Jane Austen has Charles Schultz beat by quite a bit.

I'm also sure if you look hard enough you can find tsunderes in the Shakespeare or the Bible.

already ahead of you.

That doesn't change the fact that they are playing karuta. Shit's worse than anime.

They're both forms of entertainment that people are driven to partake of due to total social ostracism. Seems pretty equal to me!
 
No one said it was supposed to stand alone. All we've said is it doesn't make sense, because it doesn't. A lot of that shit you've said is super important and ought to be mentioned for the story to actually be coherent. So yeah, Eva 3.0 doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a thing.
I guess. It makes about as much sense as the series did for me, though. I feel like the show kind of requires some extra studying to follow everything that's happening with the plot by design.
 

yami4ct

Member
I guess. It makes about as much sense as the series did for me, though. I feel like the show kind of requires some extra studying to follow everything that's happening with the plot by design.

It's one thing to leave the plot open to some interpretation. I'm all for surrealist story telling and Eva does that well.

What 3.0 does, though, isn't really that. It just leaves stuff out with very few clues. Sure you can infer what's gone on, but at some point you're just making shit up. It's the other type of story telling Anno uses and that's troll story telling. It doesn't make sense because Anno wants Otaku to go nuts trying to make sense of that. This is also why I'm coming around to the idea that any connection theories to the original show are red hearings left by Anno to haunt otaku for years to come.
 
So I broke and I'm reading through the manga for Attack on Titans. It's fairly good but not without some flaws. This is actually one of the few times where I hope they don't just retell the story 1 for 1 but rather Araki modifies some stuff. I do think a lot of scenes and the flow will work a lot better in animated form compared to just the manga though. Should be a good watch if Wit doesn't fuck this up.

Oh and I like Asano's designs over the originals.

Join us in the manga thread. Someone is currently going crazy over it after catching up.
 
It's one thing to leave the plot open to some interpretation. I'm all for surrealist story telling and Eva does that well.

What 3.0 does, though, isn't really that. It just leaves stuff out with very few clues. Sure you can infer what's gone on, but at some point you're just making shit up. It's the other type of story telling Anno uses and that's troll story telling. It doesn't make sense because Anno wants Otaku to go nuts trying to make sense of that. This is also why I'm coming around to the idea that any connection theories to the original show are red hearings left by Anno to haunt otaku for years to come.
This would also be hilarious.

The new movies have been wildly entertaining, I'll feel kind of empty when they're over.
 

zeroshiki

Member
Ok, I get it. I get it. I made a super, super dumb statement. It was an accident and I recanted. Can we all just drop it now? Haha.

I actually agree with you, though :p The anime tsundere archetype pretty much started with Asuka. All the other girls that came before her just served as a warmup. There's also the kuudere with Rei. The oneesan archetype with Misato, I'm not so sure, however.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Futari wa Precure Max Heart 26:

Festvial episodes are universally terrible and this was no exception. As through the motions as it gets.

Post-Ep.22 R_Thanatos vs. Hitokage vindication temporal results:

Max Heart gets good - 0
Max Heart stays shit - 4
 

yami4ct

Member
I actually agree with you, though :p The anime tsundere archetype pretty much started with Asuka. All the other girls that came before her just served as a warmup. There's also the kuudere with Rei. The oneesan archetype with Misato, I'm not so sure, however.

I think the borderline pedophile, sexy caretaker was sort of popularized with Misato, but I'm definitely not as certain with that one.

The dumb statement was saying "invented". I changed it to popularized, what my actual thoughts are.


This would also be hilarious.

The new movies have been wildly entertaining, I'll feel kind of empty when they're over.
This is almost certainly the case as far as I'm concerned. The call backs are intentional, and red herrings in a lot of ways. If he comes out and says "This is connected to the show", than Anno is really slipping. Trolling with those references is much more his style.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
I think the borderline pedophile, sexy caretaker was sort of popularized with Misato, but I'm definitely not as certain with that one.

The dumb statement was saying "invented". I changed it to popularized, what my actual thoughts are.

I doubt that anyone was ever seriously trying to correct you so much as having a bit of fun using your statement as a springboard to take the question of the "invention" of tsundere to various extreme endpoints. No need to sweat it.
 

yami4ct

Member
I doubt that anyone was ever seriously trying to correct you so much as having a bit of fun using your statement as a springboard to take the question of the "invention" of tsundere to various extreme endpoints. No need to sweat it.

If I put "haha" on something, it's usually not being too serious. Just me throwing in an extra acknowledgment that I knew I said something a hair bit dumb.

Honestly, I have pretty thick internet skin. It'd take a lot for me to actually be bothered by something.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
[Space Brothers] 46
I haven't felt the urge to punch any anime character in the face so hard since Akio Ohtori... so about three hours ago. Huh.

Space Bros' pacing issues are hardly a surprise to anyone, but Jesus fuck that was slow. They got to Houston (hardly a quest for the ages) and nothing else of relevance happened at all besides some brief characterisation for the other girl in the team but who the hell gives a shit about her anyway? It was like a filler episode without the recap footage or the salmon and asparagus omelets.

EDIT: Worst of all had to be the egregious scene with the CGI car speeding down a CGI highway while dodging other CGI vehicles in a way that gave neither a sense of quickness or vertigo whatsoever. I hate you, duckroll.
 

sleepykyo

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Amnesia 10



I feel like this show contains all the hatred DTL has against female characters all concentrated towards this otome lead. And it's hilarious.

Of course all of last week's pet protecting issue gets sweep under the rug cause CHILDHOOD FRIENDS!

I can't tell if it is supposed to horror or not. It has the premise and the happenings of horror, but the voice actress, the art and the general direction detract pretty heavily from it.
 

CorvoSol

Member
ReBuild of Evangelion 3.0

What.

The.

Hell.

What even?

What did I?

How was that?

But then why was?

How come?

I. I. WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST WATCH?
 

CorvoSol

Member
I'll need to rewatch it like, two more times before my brain can take in all the visual shout outs and start formulating my conspiracy theory about the whole thing. But I mean, WUT is the only reaction anybody can have to this.

You keep your dirty congratulatory penguins offa me.
 

Articalys

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Out of the 42 self-selected respondents on the State of AnimeGAF survey:

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The individual average percentage of time on AnimeGAF compared to overall time on NeoGAF was about 62%.

Six responses weren't specific enough with the "total hours on NeoGAF" question to include on the scatterplot -- "too many / way too many", "shit, don't remind me", "no idea, a lot", some ranges of hours too large to take a fair average ("5-10 hours" and "20-30 hours"), and one response of "50... million" that I wasn't sure to take as a joke or just as 50 -- but they did provide percentages for the "hours on AnimeGAF" question that I could use towards the average.

The mean average number of hours/week on AnimeGAF is about 18 hours, and the median is about 11.5 hours, compared to an overall weekly NeoGAF hours mean of 25 hours and median of 20 hours.
 
Gintama 34

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I don't remember giving anyone permission to take excerpts from my life!

I've definitely reached the point where this show has become excellent. If I can get more Sachan and Wakamoto I think I'll be set for another 200 episodes.
 
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