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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -6| How much lower can we go?!

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Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
PsionBolt said:
Hanamaru Kindergarten - 1 ~ 12 (End)

I actually ended up enjoying it quite a bit more now than I think I would have in 2010 when it aired. I've been working at a daycare since 2011, and in those two years, I've experienced more of the situations the main character gets himself into than I should probably admit. Things like getting funny looks from mothers just for being male, or playing Dragon Quest with the boys (though in my case, it was Pokemon and Mario Kart) probably weren't that entertaining to most people, but they resonated with me quite a bit.
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I'm afraid to admit that the stigma of having male individuals in positions of power around kids is one of the reasons I decided to not pursue education as a career.
 
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Articalys

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survivor said:
Light novels sales are very close to each other, but I think the anime sales for Oreimo are higher.
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Chet Rippo said:
That's what I figured would be the case.
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In times like these, best to just look it up:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=109699

Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai *2,305+*8,997=11,302 (7) (AIC Build)
Oreimo (Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai) *4,969+18,921=23,890 (8) (AIC Build/Aniplex of America)

So yeah, way higher.
 
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Mature

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Mad Pierrot said:
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (2012): Phantom Blood arc:

I've decided to catch up on the show over the next few days, and I reached episode nine in fairly short order. I've had no previous experience with the franchise before beginning the series, so I apologize if I criticize any aspect of the adaptation that is actually inherent in the source material.

There's no denying that this is a really entertaining story. There's a glut of delicious melodrama visually reinforced by a gaudy aesthetic and garish color palette, unambiguously evil villains that are deeply despicable on a level that most anime antagonists could never dream of reaching, a refreshing setting and almost exclusive presence of actually adult characters, and copious amounts of manliness, bravery, sacrifice, and virtue. The first three episodes were mostly excellent, I thought, and the show did a wonderful job of setting up a bitter revenge story that easily got me to feel personally invested in Jojo's quest. Even so, since those first episodes I don't find myself absolutely on fire while watching it in the same way that others seem to.

It's nothing to do with the narrative itself, but the way in which the story is adapted feels like it cuts so many corners that it actively interferes with my enjoyment. The pacing borders on too fast at times and most of the score is terrible bombastic synth and actively painful to listen to, but I hear that Iwasaki Taku is composing for the next arc, so I hope that this particular problem is over. Most importantly, though, there's really no excuse for a lack of good animation in an action show. Characters move stiffly and there's an absolute minimum of full-body animation and choreography. The whole production reeks of a low budget, but nowhere more than the absence of entertaining action. This is made even worse by the continual relaying of events that are happening on screen by characters spectating from the sidelines as the events are happening. It's annoying, it's redundant in a majority of cases when it's perfectly possible to intuit what's happening on screen, and it feels like further corner-cutting by the animators in that they can tell rather than show and, furthermore, don't even have to think about constructing scenes in a way that allows the viewer to infer for themselves.

This is a problem to some extent in countless action series, but the high frequency at which it happens in Jojo is very nearly at the level of a child's anime. It's understandable when it's a character's internal monologue on a battle strategy or whatnot, but there are many, many ways to, for instance, illustrate how a character's power works without straight infodumping. The dialogue in Jojo rarely feels naturalistic during battle scenes due to the characters blurting out these play-by-plays. Now, for all I know this could be a holdover from the manga, and in that medium it may be a necessary evil for a work with a lot of things going on and a limited number of panels in which to depict them, but animation imparts virtually unlimited freedom on how, well, anything can be depicted and so it's disappointing when direction/storyboarding/etc. of a scene that, if properly done, would require no additional explanatory dialogue at all are halfassed and real-time peanut gallery narration is employed to fill in the gaps.

It's still a fun and engaging watch, so don't let my longwinded criticism of this particular point make anyone think that I don't think that the show is still good on the whole. If anything, it's just made me want to read the manga, which I'll probably do after I've caught up in time for the finale of the next arc.
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This is a reasonable assessment. I think you'll end up liking Battle Tendency a bit more, as most people do (and it has less of what you didn't like). The things like Speedwagon narrating every little thing the characters are doing is just so funny to my friends and I that it actually ends up being a plus. I feel like there are few shows more suited to a group viewing than JoJo.
 
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Chet Rippo

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PsionBolt said:
Hanamaru Kindergarten - 1 ~ 12 (End)

I passed on this show during the season in which it aired, but mostly-randomly decided to give it a go upon seeing it in Crunchyroll's back-catalogue this weekend. (Even though this was Shinkai Weekend, I can only take so many clouds in one sitting.)

I actually ended up enjoying it quite a bit more now than I think I would have in 2010 when it aired. I've been working at a daycare since 2011, and in those two years, I've experienced more of the situations the main character gets himself into than I should probably admit. Things like getting funny looks from mothers just for being male, or playing Dragon Quest with the boys (though in my case, it was Pokemon and Mario Kart) probably weren't that entertaining to most people, but they resonated with me quite a bit.

The romance and comedy sides of the show were as anime as it gets, of course, so that's where the similarities to my life end. This might suprise you, but in real life, daycare attendants aren't all beautiful young women, unfortunately. Still, even for anime, the relationships in this show are like two-thirds of the way to Card Captor Sakura levels of strange; but since its a comedy, no one seems to mind all that much. On that note, the little sister should have been in more episodes.

Overall, it was just a simple, thoroughly cute series. I'd heartily reccomend it to anyone who needs to brighten up after a bad day. 7/10, I guess.
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Yeah I liked Hanamaru a lot. It wasn't the best thing in the world, but I still had a lot of fun with it.
Articalys said:
In times like these, best to just look it up:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=109699

Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai *2,305+*8,997=11,302 (7) (AIC Build)
Oreimo (Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai) *4,969+18,921=23,890 (8) (AIC Build/Aniplex of America)

So yeah, way higher.
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I never really know where to find anime sales data, so I thank you for that!
Haganai definitely sold well enough, but it's pretty clear that Oreimo is vastly more popular. Probably because the animation was considerably better as well, though that might be because the original designs for Oreimo are much easier to translate into animation, though that doesn't account for everything...
 
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RurouniZel

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Smile Precure 21:

So the joker finally makes his move and actually acts like a semi-competent villain. Neat. :)
 
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Articalys

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Man, it's a good thing I saved this to my imgur account.

8jb3udp.gif


I'm never answering another question in this thread again, because I'm only going to get it wrong. Every single fucking time.
 
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Chet Rippo

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OceanBlue said:
I think Media Factory and Dengeki Bunko are both owned by Kadokawa, so that might be where the link is.
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Maybe they just didn't like working with AIC. lol

Though Media Factory was only recently bought up by Kadokawa, like right when the first Haganai season started airing.
 
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OceanBlue

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Chet Rippo said:
Maybe they just didn't like working with AIC. lol

Though Media Factory was only recently bought up by Kadokawa, like right when the first Haganai season started airing.
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Lol, maybe. AIC isn't the best anyway. To be honest, I think it's probably due to some deal with Aniplex. A-1 is basically their company, after all.
 
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SDBurton

World's #1 Cosmonaut Enthusiast
Mad Pierrot said:
Futari wa Precure Max Heart 47 (END):

Well, at least Toei had the decency to cook up a half-decent finale, even if
Hikari sacrificing herself then LOL SUDDENLY ALIVE AGAIN
ensured that the show was bullshit to the last. At least there was a massive animation upgrade, a particularly great scene where
Honoka and Nagisa tearfully acknowledge the fact that they're going to die
, and some :firehawk stuff to cap it off at the end. Honestly, it was a better final episode than Futari wa, whose endgame was a complete mess.

I'm really going to miss Honoka and Nagisa in spite of the shitty show they ended up being trapped in, although there are two movies for me to watch at some point. Now to decide if I really want to do a summation post and possibly jump off a bridge when I see how much figurines cost on ebay.
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Congrats on finishing it!

Regulus Tera said:
[Dokidoki! Precure] 07

I'm not saying it's yuri, but it's yuri.
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Dedication Through Light

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Articalys said:
Man, it's a good thing I saved this to my imgur account.

http://i.imgur.com/8jb3udp.gif[/IG]

I'm never answering another question in this thread again, because I'm only going to get it wrong. Every single fucking time.[/QUOTE]

Whats wrong with answering a question incorrectly? I dont think anyone is logging whenever someone gets a question wrong and commits it to memory.
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Seraphis Cain

bad gameplay lol
Welp, finished with Hidamari Sketch x 365. Overall, it was definitely better than the first season, but not really by leaps and bounds or anything. The main difference I noticed was the obvious increase in animation quality. It looked so much nicer than the first season. Otherwise, it was really just more of the same, but that's not a bad thing at all in this case. It'd probably be bad if that wasn't the case. :lol Really excited to get started on Hidamari Sketch x ☆☆☆ next, since I know that it changes up the formula a bit by
adding two new main characters
. That should definitely help to keep things fresh. :D
 
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madp

The Light of El Cantare
Mature said:
This is a reasonable assessment. I think you'll end up liking Battle Tendency a bit more, as most people do (and it has less of what you didn't like). The things like Speedwagon narrating every little thing the characters are doing is just so funny to my friends and I that it actually ends up being a plus. I feel like there are few shows more suited to a group viewing than JoJo.
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I look forward to continuing, then. Ultimately I can deal with the bad animation; it's really just the narration that puts it over the edge for me. Perhaps I'd feel differently about it in a different viewing environment, but it (and its equally-terrible cousin bad anime sports commentating) is just something that I've always had very low tolerance for. For instance, it's the reason I skipped the entire Davy Back Fight arc in One Piece.
 
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cajunator

Banned
Seraphis Cain said:
Welp, finished with Hidamari Sketch x 365. Overall, it was definitely better than the first season, but not really by leaps and bounds or anything. The main difference I noticed was the obvious increase in animation quality. It looked so much nicer than the first season. Otherwise, it was really just more of the same, but that's not a bad thing at all in this case. It'd probably be bad if that wasn't the case. :lol Really excited to get started on Hidamari Sketch x ☆☆☆ next, since I know that it changes up the formula a bit by
adding two new main characters
. That should definitely help to keep things fresh. :D
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Nazuna.
Remember that name. Cherish it.
 
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SDBurton

World's #1 Cosmonaut Enthusiast
Mad Pierrot said:
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (2012): Phantom Blood arc:

It's still a fun and engaging watch, so don't let my longwinded criticism of this particular point make anyone think that I don't think that the show is still good on the whole. If anything, it's just made me want to read the manga, which I'll probably do after I've caught up in time for the finale of the next arc.
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Do it. My lack of posting here has been because I've been marathoning the fuck out the manga. Started with part 1 and currently on part 7. Best decision I've made in quite some time.


Mad Pierrot said:
At least someone is proud of me ._.
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I respect and applaud your dedication to the Precure series. :)
 
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Jarmel

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So since I'm watching Zeta, the writing really feels clunky in an 80s sort of way. It's hard to point out exactly what it is but certain things in the dialogue and the way sexuality is portrayed. The character designs and visual trademarks of different decades are easy to tell but is that true of writing? Are there writing cues that a person can pick up which distinguishes which decade the show oriented from? Do people think this holds true in general?
 
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cajunator

Banned
SDBurton said:
Do it. My lack of posting here has been because I've been marathoning the fuck out the manga. Started with part 1 and currently on part 7. Best decision I've made in quite some time.




I respect and applaud your dedication to the Precure series. :)
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Someday I aspire to be like MadPierrot.
 
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OceanBlue

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Chet Rippo said:
Maybe, but it doesn't really explain why OreImo was done by AIC in the first place.
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Lol, I'm surprised at how taken-aback I am by this question. Wow, I've never thought of that. I just looked it up and A-1 was doing Togainu no Chi that season, but it's not like A-1 is foreign to doing multiple series at once. I have no clue. I've always assumed that, outside of some big collaboration titles like Angel Beats or Kara no Kyoukai, Aniplex titles would usually be handed off to A-1. Maybe it wasn't like that in 2010.
 
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Jarmel said:
So since I'm watching Zeta, the writing really feels clunky in an 80s sort of way. It's hard to point out exactly what it is but certain things in the dialogue and the way sexuality is portrayed. The character designs and visual trademarks of different decades are easy to tell but is that true of writing? Are there writing cues that a person can pick up which distinguishes which decade the show oriented from? Do people think this holds true in general?
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I think you're just getting Tomino'd in the writing department.
 
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Chet Rippo

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OceanBlue said:
Lol, I'm surprised at how taken-aback I am by this question. Wow, I've never thought of that. I just looked it up and A-1 was doing Togainu no Chi that season, but it's not like A-1 is foreign to doing multiple series at once. I have no clue. I've always assumed that, outside of some big collaboration titles like Angel Beats or Kara no Kyoukai, Aniplex titles would usually be handed off to A-1. Maybe it wasn't like that in 2010.
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Maybe AIC just offered to do it cheaper? I don't know.
 
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Dead

well not really...yet
OceanBlue said:
Lol, I'm surprised at how taken-aback I am by this question. Wow, I've never thought of that. I just looked it up and A-1 was doing Togainu no Chi that season, but it's not like A-1 is foreign to doing multiple series at once. I have no clue. I've always assumed that, outside of some big collaboration titles like Angel Beats or Kara no Kyoukai, Aniplex titles would usually be handed off to A-1. Maybe it wasn't like that in 2010.
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A-1 is owned by Aniplex. It's their own Animation Studio, both owned by Sony. A-1 was basically set up to 100% do in house their own shows rather than partner with other studios which is what they originally did, like any other distributor, and they still occasionally do.

Back in 2010 IIRC they still partnered with other studios, but that's about the time A-1 also started to produce more and more shows themselves
 
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OceanBlue

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Dead said:
A-1 is owned by Aniplex. It's their own Animation Studio, both owned by Sony. A-1 was basically set up to 100% do in house their own shows rather than partner with other studios which is what they originally did, like any other distributor, and they still occasionally do.

Back in 2010 IIRC they still partnered with other studios, but that's about the time A-1 also started to produce more and more shows themselves.
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Ah, I see. I wasn't following production news that much in 2010, so as far as I know A-1 was always the go-to studio for Aniplex. Interesting to hear that the transition was pretty recent and around Oreimo.
 
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duckroll

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OceanBlue said:
I guess Oreimo is just one of the titles Aniplex decided not to give to A-1. I'm kinda curious to know the factors that influenced Oreimo going to AIC.
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One studio can't do everything. They're already struggling now with the expanded workload, and it's showing in all their productions. If Aniplex could, they would probably produce every adaptation using A-1, but they can't AIC also did Persona 4, which is another huge Aniplex vehicle. People expected A-1 to make it, since they made Trinity Soul, but they were just too busy with everything else.
 
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