Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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NecromorphTX
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Not sure if this has been posted.
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Compression, time of day, weather, seasons and all that, but I think it's safe to say there are a lot of details that have been removed/reduced.
I still think it looks great and I think they did a great job. While it still isn't entirely impossible the PC-version will look like the gameplay from 2013 like they are saying, it's very unlikely.
Dear lord, everytime i come here, i leave more disappointed of this game.
paperspace
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I uploaded those screenshots.
I know, and I'm very impressed.
cripterion
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Can't disagree with you on that. Wild Hunt's world looks much more believable.
Watching the stream and don't like how people just come in when you clear monsters near an abandoned site, makes it seem taken straight out of Far cry when you clear a camp and dudes magically spawn in.
The Dutch Slayer
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By last count Ubisoft employs something like 8000 developers in 26 studios. 10 studios worked on AC:U.
CD projekt employs about 360 people in total and of that about 100 are on GoG, and a few others were working on the Moba and Cyberpunk (until they were put on finishing W3).
...but that's not really the case? In W2, for example:
In the prologue, in the castle town of La Vallete castle, the only monsters are found deep within a partially flooded sewer. In chapter I we have Flotsam, where the town proper has enormous walls, and Lobinden, which has erected an elaborate series of heavily patrolled fortifications to protect the village against the creatures of the forest.
In chapter II, Vergen has enormous stone walls, and Henselt's camp is entirely surrounded by a pallisade.
In chapter III, finally, we have Loc Muinne, which is... an ancient walled city.
I'm sorry codhand was such a meanie to you.
PLASTICA-MAN
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I read that this is the last chapter for Geralt adventure. Did they finish the books with Witcher 3 or what ?
lordfuzzybutt
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All the games are after the books.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Really? I didn't know that. So, anyway they won't be making Witcher games anymore?
I think that's the console version right? Maybe PC looks a lot better with good cards. Anyway, I can't help but feel the same, but honestly, it was never, never going to look like the 2013 footage. That much was already clear to me, those gameplay vids were definitely out of the question for the scope of this massive game. But I don't know, I somehow still had a little fiery hope that we could be surprised. Ah well.
That is astonishing... astonishingly sad. The 2015 version is a travesty of what once was, both technically and artistically.2013
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The level of denial of the downgrade is hilarious. Pretty soon people with say: "well that twitch stream is the FRENCH version of the game, I will wait to see it myself on my monitor"
We know what the game looks like. And outside insane pc mods, the best looking, most atmospheric game that could have defined next gen has been gutted. And so have I.
We know what the game looks like. And outside insane pc mods, the best looking, most atmospheric game that could have defined next gen has been gutted. And so have I.
Anton Sugar
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Here is a better comparison, though it's still horribly compressed and I can't tell which platform is being used:
Top is the CDPR PR pics, middle are shots from the game this week, and bottom is the dude's attempt to color correct it back to the original.
Top is the CDPR PR pics, middle are shots from the game this week, and bottom is the dude's attempt to color correct it back to the original.
vpance
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Reposting:
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Great filmic coloring in 2013. Sadly, gamers just aren't ready for that level of cinematic quality yet.
Terbinator
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Why not? We have the frame rate nailed down.
Given how much some people moan about colour grading and piss filters, I'm not sure there is a right answer here.
PC gamers are
Dictator93
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The answer is: let the user decide.
Also colour grading is pretty hard to do on a dynamic TOD or open world game. It would require every hour of so of TOD having a different colour grade or certain zones turning on a different colour grading (which would lead to the game shifting colur when you cross invisible lines).
paperspace
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codhand? I'm sorry, what are you on about exactly?
I simply reposted the comparison from this very board and since I didn't see any sign of it in the last 15 pages, I thought I could embed it with my comment. I don't have the time (or interest) to plough through a downgrade-thread with 70 pages.
If this was offensive to your internet persona, sorry I guess? Do you want me to credit you or should I just remove the whole comparison?
Triggerhappytel
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It's Geralt's last adventure, but not the last Witcher game.
Anton Sugar
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Am I weird for liking the color corrected a little bit more ?
Not at all. It looks a bit more naturally balanced and saturated, and the higher contrast/darker shadows help hide the lack of detail in the vegetation. It looks like vegetation ambient occlusion took a big hit in release.
Just found it funny that gaf > internet > gaf had happened. I don't understand why you're being so pissy.
Yup. I'm fairly sure they admitted that they regretted using the filters, it seems to be a mistake in the context of a large open world with long draw distances. It could work in enclosed spaces where TOD makes no difference such as caves etc, and from what I've seen they do this in the caves.
Each of the different scenes from the 2013 trailer had a different colour grade. I have no idea how one would transition from one to another in a satisfying way.
PLASTICA-MAN
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You wrote TOD in many of your comments.What do you mean by that? Time Of Day?
Dictator93
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AO works on everything regardless (especially HBAO). That should be the same if not better now (since it is using HBAO+ instead of TW2's SSAO).
Rather... prebaked AO (into the texture) was probably completely removed.
Yeah "Time of Day". It is a habit from spending too much time with Cryengine.
vpance
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One thing at a time I guess.
I like it in this shot. But I think in other areas I'd like to see more natural colors, like out in the woods, or during sunrise or something.
I'm sure someone will patch it in
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, looks like you're right. I was mostly looking at the base of the vegetation textures, where the release version appears to have lost a lot of shadow detail, which is probably by the vegetation looks a lot flatter/uniform in the release.
cripterion
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They just showed all the video settings on the ign stream. Spotted a sharpen filter in there lol. Hairworks,CA and AA are off. No HBAO just SSAO.
viveks86
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Ok guys, the IGN stream just showed the game running on a 980 and ultra. But here's the catch, they claim all the settings are on and they browsed through the menu. A handful of them are actually not enabled. Things I noticed that were off
EDIT: Beaten!
- AA
- HBAO
- Light Shafts
- Hair Works
- CA (Thankfully)
EDIT: Beaten!
Gareth Bale
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Here is a better comparison, though it's still horribly compressed and I can't tell which platform is being used:
Top is the CDPR PR pics, middle are shots from the game this week, and bottom is the dude's attempt to color correct it back to the original.
Those "coloured corrected" crushed blacks 😔
I'm watching the IGN PC stream. They're running on Ultra, but with weird settings.
They have AA disabled, Hairworks off and SSAO (although HBAO is available in the options)
They have a seperate menu for graphics and post-processing.
Edit: Double beaten.
grtkbrandon
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What strikes me as odd about the whole ordeal is that I booted up TW2 yesterday and was still impressed by the graphics. I'd say it looks better than the compressed images and video content I've seen of TW3.
Static Jak
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Didn't IGN do something similar a while back with another game? Either they messed up the settings in a comparison video or they actually used console footage. Can't remember.
paperspace
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I'm just saying how it is. I found your comparison on GAF and I reposted it on GAF.
indigo-cyclops
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So it sounds like that article about XML files/graphics settings was accurate. But perhaps things can be tweaked further?
LurkerPrime
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I don't think it's a stretch to say that genuine gameplay will always looks better than videos. There's a certain wow-factor to actually playing [any game] for yourself that will make everything seem more impressive.
Static Jak
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I'm playing it again right now and while I think it looks pretty good, it has a few issues. Like some pop in with stuff like foliage and some lighting. And I wasn't a fan of some of the lighting but that's just my personal taste.
Raven77
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After the constant downgrading of games from pre-release footage I've come to several conclusions:
1. Initial "reveals" of games no longer excite me at all. I've become cyncical that the hype-building-so-we-can-generate-preorders-footage is just a scam to sell video cards and generate baseless hype.
2. Gaming development is extremely complicated and I feel more people should be mindful of the complexities there and less quick to blame.
So, part of me hates devs for this, while the other part SORT OF understands at least part of the problems they face.
Idk what to think anymore...
1. Initial "reveals" of games no longer excite me at all. I've become cyncical that the hype-building-so-we-can-generate-preorders-footage is just a scam to sell video cards and generate baseless hype.
2. Gaming development is extremely complicated and I feel more people should be mindful of the complexities there and less quick to blame.
So, part of me hates devs for this, while the other part SORT OF understands at least part of the problems they face.
Idk what to think anymore...
grtkbrandon
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Very true, which is why I'm not super bothered by the downgrades because I don't think the game looks bad by any means. Is IGN the only place covering the PC version at the moment?
Static Jak
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So weird they didn't turn on HBAO.
viveks86
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According to Nvidia's site, it's HBAO+
It's not IGN though. The dev himself went through the menu and scrolled over the screens above while claiming everything is on. Lol.
Anton Sugar
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viveks86
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Proabably there is a performance penalty. Don't know if this is the post-patch build either.
Confidence Man
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The draw distance nerf is the worst. Instead of the mountains being lit It's like a GTAV blanket of fog covering the distance now. Ugh.
It might not be part of Ultra. It is in a different menu. I'm not aware of any game these days actually using plain HBAO. It was never popular given Nvidia's version is better and not particularly heavyweight.
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