OldAsUrSock
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Not the textures.
Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Not the textures.
Sharpening does the work, the assets are the same.
Sevenfold
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Further texture improvements for Ultra in latest (1.04) patch.
Conveniently left out the comparison image to try and sway people on colour = upgrade? Forget NPC counts (lol), the lighting looks flat in the below image compared to the top one.
This has been blurred too (for people who think sharpening is the magic cure), even though it's already compressed:
People are using sweet-fx on in-game shots, why wouldn't I correct the colour for a fairer comparison and to have a clearer idea of what else had changed.
Those shots are from 2 years ago. Ignoring any improvements to the engine they could have made in that time, I can't even amend the colours like sweetfx would? lol.
4K shots do look good though, sure.
Downgrades are a big deal to people who care about being misled, especially if they care about graphics (who doesn't).
IN-GAME FOOTAGE:
etc
Don't claim bullshit because other people can spot differences you can't.
-[Although I understand what you mean about possibly missing out on the game due to downgrade discussions, but that's what happens].
thalixte
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Finally got to Novigrad!
Gorgeous shots. Excuse me, sir, but what is your sweetFX config ?
HeWhoWalks
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You don't really have to see the point. The downgrades (or as I like to put them, "changes") have been noted and addressed. The game still looks fantastic, but hardly anyone disputes that.
Gamezone
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I have been playing The Witcher 3 on my Xbox One for a few days now. The framerate is horrible, but I don`t think like the game have very good graphics. It looks good and all, but I still feel like last generation games like GTA 5 and Red Dead Redemtion looks a bit better when exploring the open world.
Toothless Spoon
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Are there any boats in the game that look like that second one? Or is the first one the universal boat model in the final version?
ouch. The game still looks amazing. But this does kinda hurt.
viveks86
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icecold1983
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thats pretty shameful tbh
NullPointer
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Holy shit, oh man.
This is a joke comparison right? Different weather and time of day etc etc?
Or is that original shot complete fiction or CG trailer work? Because it looks insanely amazing.
DOWN
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"amazing graphics" "one of the best looking games I've ever seen"
viveks86
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If there is one downgrade that really bothers me, it's the ocean simulation. It actually feels boring now and detracts from the experience. The tessellation tech is still there, but almost everything that made it impressive or exciting is gone. I tried sailing yesterday (even tried using console commands to enable storm) and it was still so... tame. Really lost all incentive to sail
There are two things which would spruce up this game quite a bit: better water and grass.If there is one downgrade that really bothers me, it's the ocean simulation. It actually feels boring now and detracts from the experience. The tessellation tech is still there, but almost everything that made it impressive or exciting is gone. I tried sailing yesterday (even tried using console commands to enable storm) and it was still so... tame. Really lost all incentive to sail
viveks86
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I'm actually fine with the grass. It looks fantastic with INI tweaks for density and distance along with sharpening. The water though
DOWN
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well joke's on us because those are the most abundant visual elements in the game and they look rough as hell. RIP good foliage in the most foliage focused game of the gen.
thalixte
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Thks a lot ;-)
I almost have the feeling, the downgrade was good for the game or let's say, the best what could happen for this game. Because without this impressive reveal- and target trailers this game wouldn't have received this huge awareness over the years, respectively couldn't have achieved its final budget.
That's why I can live with this downgrade, especially as a console gamer. This game is so huge, so impressive, this amazing atmosphere and graphics, especially this love of detail and every single sidequest or random event is much better than standard mainquests of "comparable" RPGs.
I admit, I was also a bit upset about CDPR about their communication and marketing tricks, but after hours of spending with this game I just can praise CDPR and wish them to sell millions of it. And honestly speaking, I'm pretty much OK with the same "downgrade" procedure for (hopefully) The Witcher 4, when the outcome is again such a gem.
That's why I can live with this downgrade, especially as a console gamer. This game is so huge, so impressive, this amazing atmosphere and graphics, especially this love of detail and every single sidequest or random event is much better than standard mainquests of "comparable" RPGs.
I admit, I was also a bit upset about CDPR about their communication and marketing tricks, but after hours of spending with this game I just can praise CDPR and wish them to sell millions of it. And honestly speaking, I'm pretty much OK with the same "downgrade" procedure for (hopefully) The Witcher 4, when the outcome is again such a gem.
HeWhoWalks
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I tried what I could, with the E3VFX mod, to replicate the look (with the sharpness all the way up, as well).
Anton Sugar
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I'm only playing on the X1 but I agree, it's extremely beautiful. Not technically the best, but sometimes when you're riding across the landscape and the wind looks perfect, it can be beautiful (or haunting, depending on weather and time of day).
Can't wait till I upgrade my computer.
Can't wait till I upgrade my computer.
The light shafts in the tree's, the lighting and shadows on the buildings, the fog and volumetrics amongst and around the crowd/buildings. The new version looks far more flat and less realistic.
CyberPunked
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I have to say the water is this game is terrible.
Give me a water mod plz.
Yeah after watch_dogs and gta 5's incredible water, this is thoroughly underwhelming
wanderjahr
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I have to say, I'm so glad this thread exists if only to keep the negativity and entitlement from spilling out.
Get. Over. Yourselves.
Get. Over. Yourselves.
HeWhoWalks
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Not that I'm a "downgrade warrior", but if it stirs your pot, you could have just as easily avoided it.
I fail to see how the old one looks better.
That's a different area, this is the one:
It's not bad now. Better with 1.04 too on PC at 1440p anyway. But yeah, same old story, lighting and vegetation.
Not too shabby...
A problem with the original image is the colouring they went for that scene looks pretty bad, it's actually pretty impressive graphically. Witcher 3 holds up but it's still behind there.
If they add settings to increase the distant object quality some more and turn up npc counts, in the right light it would look pretty close.
They got it good enough if you can get it to 1440p imo, great bloom/decent light shafts...saves the game graphically.
Nice lighting is always a lie...except for some ubisoft games...let's see how far off ea's are. Shame about the vegetation but the recent patch helps things out in some areas and it doesn't look bad at a bit higher resolution.
CyberPunked
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That's a different area, this is the one:
It's not bad now. Better with 1.04 too on PC at 1440p anyway. But yeah, same old story, lighting and vegetation.
You don't actually think the old lighting looks better do you? They hadn't even implemented PBR into the game when that screenshot was taken.
KoopaTheCasual
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You do realize this is exactly why games of this nature go through the trouble of the bullshot/downgrade cycle, right?
I mean...but...how do you not at least see how flat it is in that comparison?
---wait, I thought the new image was second one with lots of sharpening, and the 'old' one was the first one you posted.
...Because I was comparing your second one with an image from the 2013 gameplay trailer.
That first shot is a nice one, some areas can look great in the right light.
Surprisingly enough I have used some level of 'Contrast Enhancer' & 'Black Corrector' on my HDTV and it has made a massive difference. Textures aren't flat anymore and things have depth.
It now looks in between the original screenshot above and the below one. .
It now no longer has that 'cartoony' look as the bottom picture, but more of a realistic look.
Nice balance IMO
It now looks in between the original screenshot above and the below one. .
It now no longer has that 'cartoony' look as the bottom picture, but more of a realistic look.
Nice balance IMO
I tried what I could, with the E3VFX mod, to replicate the look (with the sharpness all the way up, as well).
Surprisingly enough I have used some level of 'Contrast Enhancer' & 'Black Corrector' on my HDTV and it has made a massive difference. Textures aren't flat anymore and things have depth.
It now looks in between the original screenshot above and the below one. .
It now no longer has that 'cartoony' look as the bottom picture, but more of a realistic look. Grass/Trees/Buildings etc now look real and have pop
Aesthetically speaking, I don't like the look of the top picture at all. Everything just seems too sharp and gritty.
The way I have it now is very nice and I am happy with it
Nice balance IMO between the realistic look of the top picture and the bottom picture. Pretty much inbetween
HeWhoWalks
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I must say, some of you guys post some of the most crisp screenshots! Perhaps it's the advantage of capturing at higher than 1080p? When I say crisp, I don't just mean anti-aliasing, but the overall clarity is fantastic. Blows away the Print Screen and FRAPS shots that I capture.
Listen I love the game, but try as you might, the downgrade is real. I understand the appeal of defending them but lets drop it alright. It happened, they admitted it, lets accept it.
I am currently sailing on the ocean and not once has the the waves replicated that early trailer.
It is a decent looking game. But unless you have ini file modded and added a bunch of fixes, the game doesnt touch the early footage.
I am currently sailing on the ocean and not once has the the waves replicated that early trailer.
It is a decent looking game. But unless you have ini file modded and added a bunch of fixes, the game doesnt touch the early footage.
BlackNinja
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I'm running at 4k and there is just nothing out there that beats it at the moment. I can only think of Ryse @ 4k but that game has none of the lighting/amount of foliage this game has. 4k is where this game rises to the top graphically IMO.
The ripple effect from the aard skill is still in game seen in earlier demos, heard from some people they took it out? only the 360 degree version seems to be without it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvKdeVODNe0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvKdeVODNe0
plasmawave
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There are still people defending the game didn't get downgraded?
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
"Doesn't touch" is a far stretch.
Didn`t have much time to play the game yet. But this bothers me much more than all the downgrades. Even that water downgrade yeah.
And that is after 5 mins of...exploring. There is no visual indication in the environment that you are going to dead end, until the message. Talking about the first area.
And that is after 5 mins of...exploring. There is no visual indication in the environment that you are going to dead end, until the message. Talking about the first area.
Turin Turambar
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Didn`t have much to play the game yet. But this bothers me much more than all the downgrades. Even that water downgrade yeah.
And that is after 5 mins of...exploring. There is no visual indication in the environment that you are going to dead end, until the message. Talking about the first area.
As you say that's the first area. Do you know what's the first area? The tutorial area. Which is much more smaller than the main area.
Didn`t have much to play the game yet. But this bothers me much more than all the downgrades. Even that water downgrade yeah.
And that is after 5 mins of...exploring. There is no visual indication in the environment that you are going to dead end, until the message. Talking about the first area.
Tutorial area. The next area is massive.
Also how else should they handle it? There's always going to be a limit to the environment in these games.
Mountains and oceans... don`t know. Something with the environment.
Some of the boundaries that trigger that message and then bring up the map to teleport are bit messed up though...like it's boxed out at corners in some places and you'll run into that message like 3 times before finding the correct way back if you don't want to tp anywhere.
Not a downgrade as the later areas are really massive and you barely run into that issue, don't think I have yet. Ran into it quite a lot when just exploringOS WO though. Just could be a bit looser with the restrictions imo as it can (needlessly) worry you.
Not a downgrade as the later areas are really massive and you barely run into that issue, don't think I have yet. Ran into it quite a lot when just exploring
I kind of hate that too. One of the benefits with CDPR's design choice is that, if you keep running towards the expanse, you get taken straight to the fast travel map. This is helpful if you've gotten lost or are far away from a fast travel point, you can simply travel towards the edge of the map. It is definitely the worst at White Orchard though, I specifically remember seeing a bear, actively hunting and exhibiting AI, outside of the player's bounds. So I couldn't hunt him down.
Didn`t have much time to play the game yet. But this bothers me much more than all the downgrades. Even that water downgrade yeah.
And that is after 5 mins of...exploring. There is no visual indication in the environment that you are going to dead end, until the message. Talking about the first area.
how dare they put invisible walls in one of the largest game maps ever created.
Not really true, especially not for White Orchard. The first area is indeed small and even all of Witcher isn't that big compared to the really big game maps around. However it's big and better filled than all of those, just not what I would call the "largest".
I am also tourn about the worlds end. On one hand I would wish for visual indicators like actual things that hold Geralt back, on the other hand that would look very artifical and I like the look better, even if I sometimes run right into the end.
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