NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Major revisions to the Core Rulebooks. Key philosophy is making DND more inclusive to diverse players. Also - enhanced digital tools (inhouse digital tabletop)
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Wizards of the Coasts Announces One DND
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Major revisions to the Core Rulebooks. Key philosophy is making DND more inclusive to diverse players. Also - enhanced digital tools (inhouse digital tabletop)
ManaByte
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Melon Husk
Member
I don't think DnD needs to work on including more diverse players... they have those in droves. If anything they should work on including "mainstream" players.
Enhanced digital tools is the important bit here. Let's see if they collab with the Apple AR glasses thing.
Enhanced digital tools is the important bit here. Let's see if they collab with the Apple AR glasses thing.
Hari Seldon
Member
This sounds like they are gearing up to sell DnD as a digital subscription model.
lifa-cobex
Member
It was probably the antithesis of an all inclusive game.
I had never met anyone who played DnD who held any notion of ill intent towards anyone. They were just geeks. Geeks that wanted more girls to play at the time but it certainly was not the cool thing to do in school.
The players and DM made the story and characters however they saw fit. The only guidelines that people really followed were the stats.
These are crazy people pandering to something that was never their.
It's just marketing/ advertisement BS.
This "trailer" makes my skin crawl.
PaddyOCanager
Member
Holy shit!
They may be blowing smoke but as someone who's been using D&D Beyond for years those updates look incredible. We have players who join remotely and setup with all the different programs and cameras is such a pain in the ass. Especially since most of us still like using minis and tabletop maps vs digital maps.
The diversity/inclusion statements are just confusing to me. This is a game of imagination, if you can't "imagine someone who looks like me as a hero" wtf are you doing playing DnD? One of my characters is a tiefling female and my other character is a human male.........
They may be blowing smoke but as someone who's been using D&D Beyond for years those updates look incredible. We have players who join remotely and setup with all the different programs and cameras is such a pain in the ass. Especially since most of us still like using minis and tabletop maps vs digital maps.
The diversity/inclusion statements are just confusing to me. This is a game of imagination, if you can't "imagine someone who looks like me as a hero" wtf are you doing playing DnD? One of my characters is a tiefling female and my other character is a human male.........
ManaByte
Member
https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/dungeons-dragons-vistani-drow-race-issues/
https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/dungeons-dragons-drow-changes-lolth/
Following 2020 WOTC made it so Drow and Orcs are no longer "evil races" in the game because saying that one race can be evil in a FANTASY SETTING is racist.
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lifa-cobex
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PaddyOCanager
Member
Oh. I honestly don't even know how to process that information.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Listening to the playtest orientation, sounds like they're completely revamping inspiration so that characters gets inspiration from getting a natural 20 on a roll. Also humans will get natural 20s from long rests.
Thank god. As a DM, I hated how subjective inspiration was
Thank god. As a DM, I hated how subjective inspiration was
I collect VHS tapes
Member
should have seen this coming when they banned certain MTG cards a year or so ago
Madflavor
Member
"Growing up I loved fantasy but I never saw myself as a hero, because I didn't think it was possible for someone who looked like me, who acted like me, who was like me, to be that hero."
That's why it's Fantasy and Roleplay you dumb bitch.
PaddyOCanager
Member
What a bizarre way to open the video lol. It almost immediately turned me off towards the update but once they got into the DnD beyond stuff I was feelin it.
DKehoe
Gold Member
I haven't had a chance to read/watch too much yet so I don't want to comment much.
It figures they would make their own digital tabletop service. Obviously they don't want you to go to anyone but them for their D&D needs. And I'm guessing there will be some Hero Forge equivalent for making your own minis (presumably digitally, but maybe also physical ones).
It's good to hear that the current 5E books will apparently still work within whatever this new system is. I'd wondered if they were just gonna throw all that away and expect you to buy everything all over again.
It figures they would make their own digital tabletop service. Obviously they don't want you to go to anyone but them for their D&D needs. And I'm guessing there will be some Hero Forge equivalent for making your own minis (presumably digitally, but maybe also physical ones).
It's good to hear that the current 5E books will apparently still work within whatever this new system is. I'd wondered if they were just gonna throw all that away and expect you to buy everything all over again.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
It's basically 5.5, but there are some pretty huge changes.
1 - Monsters can't critical hit anymroe
2 - Inspiration completley reworked
3 - Race is completely revamped.
Magic is being re-worked. It's now split into Arcane / Divine/ Primal. Classes will be assigned to those lists.
LordCBH
Member
Interesting. Sounds like a lot of cool stuff. Our group will likely ignore the “monsters can’t crit” thing unless there’s a compelling reason for it, but I know some people will be happy with it.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Their logic is that it's too brutal for low level characters and removes control from the DMs. It seems they're going to increase the number of "recharge" abilities to compensate.
ManaByte
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LordCBH
Member
Hmmm interesting. Ill keep an eye on it I suppose. Though our group definitely has enjoyed the tension of “oh fuck this could hurt” lol
DID just see the new D&D Beyond stuff which looks fucking awesome.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
My favorite part is they're going to start packaging digital editions with physical books. About time.
ManaByte
Member
DKehoe
Gold Member
Yeh it's about time. Nice advantage of them having bought D&D Beyond. That stuff can now be integrated.
Wildebeest
Member
I don't get it. They want people to be able to play themselves in D&D games? Like a Narnia thing? Seems to me that most people would rather suck down on a bastard sword than play a human in D&D when they could play some sort of "friendly monster race" who has some annoying quirky trait as a substitute for a personality.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
As a DM, you have no idea how much I hate it when new players ask me if they can play a homebrew race.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Apparently they're turning Lost Mine of Phandelver into a full blown campaign. I'm not sure that's necessary. It was perfect as is, and adding anymore would bloat it
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I want to see how it all comes together when they complete that digital board. I could see myself slowly building a big campaign as a kind of side hobby, then hosting my first game as DM. I know there's apps out there, some on Steam, and I tried a few and found them pretty stunted and needing way too much input/work for little results.
That IS the woke definition of evil.
"I like Pepsi and turning left"
"Well, I like Fanta and turning right. You are EVILLLLL!!!!!"
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
For me, I run my game on a TV and place miniatures on top of it. I wonder if it will work well with that.
I really dislike how they are homogenizing the idea of classes and races.
Noob Player 1:"I am a human fighter. I have 60' infravision, am immune to charm/sleep spells, don't need to sleep, only meditate, have pointy ears, cast magic spells and don't wear armor"
Veteran Player 2: "Wait, isn't that an elven wizard? Why not just play that?"
Noob Player 1: "DON'T PUT ME ONTO ONE OF YOUR ANTIQUATED BOXES!!!!! I AM BEING MY AUTHENTIC SELF!"
At this point they might as well strip out all the setting and just sell a rule set divorced from any theme. Then they can sell setting books for Unforgotten Realms or whatever with all the classic relationships replaced with their flavor of the month of charitable mindflayers riding giant snails handing out passes to OrcFest 2022, a 100% non-combat experience of companionship and amateur therapy.
Noob Player 1:"I am a human fighter. I have 60' infravision, am immune to charm/sleep spells, don't need to sleep, only meditate, have pointy ears, cast magic spells and don't wear armor"
Veteran Player 2: "Wait, isn't that an elven wizard? Why not just play that?"
Noob Player 1: "DON'T PUT ME ONTO ONE OF YOUR ANTIQUATED BOXES!!!!! I AM BEING MY AUTHENTIC SELF!"
At this point they might as well strip out all the setting and just sell a rule set divorced from any theme. Then they can sell setting books for Unforgotten Realms or whatever with all the classic relationships replaced with their flavor of the month of charitable mindflayers riding giant snails handing out passes to OrcFest 2022, a 100% non-combat experience of companionship and amateur therapy.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Last time I played D&D was a kid dabbling with the Basic red box and the blue expert box. I had no idea what I was doing and my bros bought the blue box even though they barely even played it. My bros had monster manual and DM Guide.
Every once in a while I'd check out D&D now what it's like and it seems so complicated. At some point the rules were changed so a solid AC like -2 would be like +20 or whatever as they reversed it where the higher the number is better than a lower number.
Back then I though the game was fine for what it was. The biggest pains in the ass were referencing AC and Saving Throw charts.
Back then the rules were probably so vague DMs and players made up shit as they played but now the rules probably specify minute details how to interpret things.
I remember flipping through the first Monster Manual just looking at the pictures. So cool. But the art was all over the place. One artist was super detailed. They other drew shit looking cartoony style monsters.
Shambling Mound is awesome!
Every once in a while I'd check out D&D now what it's like and it seems so complicated. At some point the rules were changed so a solid AC like -2 would be like +20 or whatever as they reversed it where the higher the number is better than a lower number.
Back then I though the game was fine for what it was. The biggest pains in the ass were referencing AC and Saving Throw charts.
Back then the rules were probably so vague DMs and players made up shit as they played but now the rules probably specify minute details how to interpret things.
I remember flipping through the first Monster Manual just looking at the pictures. So cool. But the art was all over the place. One artist was super detailed. They other drew shit looking cartoony style monsters.
Shambling Mound is awesome!
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Pilgrimzero
Member
Meh.
They’ve already fucked up Spelljammer, and Dragonlance looks to be “reimagined” whatever the fuck that means. Guaranteed Planescape is going to be a shit show.
Honestly I dropped 5th Ed about 3 months ago and went back to AD&D 2E, which I haven’t played since the 90s. Loving it.
They’ve already fucked up Spelljammer, and Dragonlance looks to be “reimagined” whatever the fuck that means. Guaranteed Planescape is going to be a shit show.
Honestly I dropped 5th Ed about 3 months ago and went back to AD&D 2E, which I haven’t played since the 90s. Loving it.
a multicultural team of v
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Yeah I'm with you... I've played probably only a few dozen sessions of D&D in my life at most, mostly 2nd and 3rd edition, but it does seem paradoxically more complicated now. Like 2nd edition rules were weird as fuck and archaic, but you know what, nobody actually followed them lol. I've never played a session where the rules were followed exactly. Where some rolls weren't fudged. Where an encounter wasn't modified on the fly. Where the scenario wasn't straight up made up on the spot because something unexpected happened. I wonder if because now that the game has to be played on a computer there has to actually be rules for literally everything.... And at that point why not just play a video game?Last time I played D&D was a kid dabbling with the Basic red box and the blue expert box. I had no idea what I was doing and my bros bought the blue box even though they barely even played it. My bros had monster manual and DM Guide.
Every once in a while I'd check out D&D now what it's like and it seems so complicated. At some point the rules were changed so a solid AC like -2 would be like +20 or whatever as they reversed it where the higher the number is better than a lower number.
Back then I though the game was fine for what it was. The biggest pains in the ass were referencing AC and Saving Throw charts.
Back then the rules were probably so vague DMs and players made up shit as they played but now the rules probably specify minute details how to interpret things.
I remember flipping through the first Monster Manual just looking at the pictures. So cool. But the art was all over the place. One artist was super detailed. They other drew shit looking cartoony style monsters.
Shambling Mound is awesome!
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I still think basic old AD&D 2 was overall the best.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Incredible how people project their own issues into the fantasy world. Almost as sad as people wanting to go to a wizardry school.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Here come the horde of deer-kin pansexual ace genderfluid neurodivergents angry at you for not letting them be themselves in a fantasy game calling you all kinds of names.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I hope they don't screw up Planescape. The Best setting ever to exist in D&D.
Wildebeest
Member
More likely, it is some total normie trying to showboat and grandstand themselves to the centre of attention.
DKehoe
Gold Member
Has there been any mention of why monsters can no longer crit? Seems strange. Feels fair for that to go both ways.
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Fuck that shit. House rules are there for good reason.
My one big gripe with 5e is how disgustingly easy they've made it. Combat basically starts, then is over in a round if you follow the challenge ratings. Absolute horseshit. 9 out of 10 times I double or trible monster HP, and you can bet monsters can crit. My players need to feel that they can die. That's when the exciting combat happens.
This obsession with making combat fast and easy is making it dull. What's the point of making and painting terrain and doing all this prep work with miniatures and all, if you hardly get to use them?
Torrent of Pork
Banned
I give all the woke shit a pat on the head before tossing it out the window in favor of my own homebrew settings.
ManaByte
Member
They're punishing the DM for being a Dungeon MASTER because the word MASTER is racist and they don't want anyone calling themselves MASTER to have any fun by killing off players in their game.
Danteyke223
Member
Female person goes: I never felt it was possible to be a hero for someone who looked liked me acted like me.
And all I could think of... it's DND !!! You can be literally anyone or anything in that game. If you don't have the creativity, and unable to disassociate yourself for a game then holy fuck
And all I could think of... it's DND !!! You can be literally anyone or anything in that game. If you don't have the creativity, and unable to disassociate yourself for a game then holy fuck
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Can't imagine a fictional hero who can walk because your in a wheel chair in real life?
Now is your time... because dragons are OK, the ability for your legs to work is not in the world of fantasy.
Joking aside I don't think people realise how much of a change this is to gameplay... I mean won't they need to roll initiative every time they have to take the stairs? What about a steep hill?
Now is your time... because dragons are OK, the ability for your legs to work is not in the world of fantasy.
Joking aside I don't think people realise how much of a change this is to gameplay... I mean won't they need to roll initiative every time they have to take the stairs? What about a steep hill?
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Can't imagine a fictional hero who can walk because your in a wheel chair in real life?
Now is your time... because dragons are OK, the ability for your legs to work is not in the world of fantasy.
Joking aside I don't think people realise how much of a change this is to gameplay... I mean won't they need to roll initiative every time they have to take the stairs? What about a steep hill?
Hey guys we are off to raid a dragon hoard and I can choose between the elf without legs or the wizard that can cast dragon sleep. I will take the elf on wheels.
ManaByte
Member
There are no more initiative rolls. Initiative is just another word for white privilege and is meant to keep the marginalized fantasy races down and as such it’s racist.Can't imagine a fictional hero who can walk because your in a wheel chair in real life?
Now is your time... because dragons are OK, the ability for your legs to work is not in the world of fantasy.
Joking aside I don't think people realise how much of a change this is to gameplay... I mean won't they need to roll initiative every time they have to take the stairs? What about a steep hill?
Haha, that's so stupid I have no problem believeing it's 100% true.
Can't imagine a fictional hero who can walk because your in a wheel chair in real life?
Now is your time... because dragons are OK, the ability for your legs to work is not in the world of fantasy.
Joking aside I don't think people realise how much of a change this is to gameplay... I mean won't they need to roll initiative every time they have to take the stairs? What about a steep hill?
Ghaa... Why not just have the crippled hero be a powerful mage who can levitate. Problem solved...
Exploring the wilderness in a wheel chair is on level with that deaf and mute woman in walking dead being a scout who's always on the frontlines.
I mean, talk about pushing a liability front and center.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
No you don't get it, you see the person in real life's entire personality, no persona is the chair, without their cripple chair they are meaningless, people dont even see them they just see the chair. It needs to be reflected in the game too, you could remove the hero, but you can't remove the chair.
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Yeah, you are of course correct. My apologies, I just don't speak stupid very well.