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Wkd BO 0721-2317 - Slam Dunk' for Nolan, Apes escape, not rough Girl's Trip, Luc
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Discotheque
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Kenny Rogers and Walter Jr. (breakfast boy) from Breaking Bad
Chicken and Waffles
Chicken and Waffles
hodayathink
Member
I share mine with Weird Al. I don't think anyone can beat that.
Someone in the last thread pointed out that in one of the leaks from the Sony hack, Ike had basically told the head of Sony Pictures (Michael Lynton) that his expectations were $750m for the first movie, $1b for the second, and $1.25b for the third, and that Lynton had sent those numbers to other people as well, so I'm thinking that's what their expectations are/were.
Someone in the last thread pointed out that in one of the leaks from the Sony hack, Ike had basically told the head of Sony Pictures (Michael Lynton) that his expectations were $750m for the first movie, $1b for the second, and $1.25b for the third, and that Lynton had sent those numbers to other people as well, so I'm thinking that's what their expectations are/were.
Kenzodielocke
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I watched Rogue One. Not that great, not that bad either. Whatever.
So good?
I'm not sure if anyone could possibly beat Teddy Roosevelt.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
It's okay, 3/5.
DecoReturns
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Prince.
Liam Neeson and
Tom Jones
Liam Neeson and
Tom Jones
lightskintwin
Banned
There's only 2 Spider Man Homecoming films. Spiderman's other 3 appearances are/will be in Civil War, Infinity War, and Infinity War 2.
Tom Holland revealed a trilogy is planned.
lightskintwin
Banned
I meant the deal with Marvel.
hodayathink
Member
There is the distinct possibility of them extending the deal as long as things go as planned (which, as of right now, it looks like they are). Ignoring that, if the first two films are successful, even if they don't renew the deal there's no way Sony wouldn't finish the trilogy themselves.
lightskintwin
Banned
You're right, if they extend the deal. However if they don't, things get complicated including finishing the "trilogy".
BronsonLee
Member
OBAMA STOLE MY BIRTHDAY
HeartlessNobody213
Member
Don't get why Sony or anyone would think this when no Spidey film has ever made $1 billion or even $900 million. Not only that besides IM3 no solo MCU film has made $1 billion.
With it being another reboot, competition and lower foreign exchange rates, Homecoming didn't have much of a chance at $1 billion.
hodayathink
Member
Actually, now that I think about it, wasn't that deal made when Marvel was still calling the next 2 Avengers movies Infinity War Parts 1 and 2 (in other words, when they were still one movie)? We already know that they renegotiated Chris Evans' contract to have him in both movies (when his ended at Infinity War), who is to say that they haven't done that for some of the other contracts that extend through it (like, say, Holland or Sebastian Stan)?
it is just fan fiction, not actual expectations... i would think expectations were much lower otherwise in the last few days their stock would not go up to record levels since 2008...
lightskintwin
Banned
You're right, but I meant when they originally made the deal.
I have no idea. LOL
He wears it better than you ever could.
This is also too simplistic though.
The first three Spider-Man movies performed incredibly well historically. If we adjust for inflation/ticket prices - which is not a particularly good way to scale box office gross, but is helpful to put things into perspective - the performance of the new movie is arguably going to fall significantly short of theirs. We could also point out that international markets have grown a lot since then and that the superhero genre has exploded in popularity, leading to higher expectations. We could bring up that Spider-Man is presumably still incredibly popular all around the world or the marketing/synergy campaign, e.g. having Iron Man in the movie.
On the other hand, as kswiston has shown, one could also focus on the ASM movies and construct a different narrative. A franchise in disarray, getting pushed to the sidelines by MCU/DCEU, plagued by bad management decisions and with the last movie badly received. A franchise whose third entry likely, at least the assumption, would have done significantly worse. One could point at other MCU movies and their box office results, one could discuss the competition of Spider-Man or the bad currency exchange rates or that this is the second reboot in a short time.
Despite all that I really don't think that Sony expected a critically-acclaimed Spider-Man MCU movie to perform like this. I think we have gotten enough insight into their movie division for that assumption.
These are the people that made The Emoji Movie after all.
CrichtonKicks
Member
As someone just pointed out we have an actual leak of their internal correspondence from the time the deal was made that pointed to expectations of $750 million. There is no reason to build that number up higher in an effort to make Homecoming's returns disappointing.
BronsonLee
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How dare you compare me to Mr. Salt N' Pepper Head
Sounds legit, send the ding dong pic
lightskintwin
Banned
The last Sony Spider Man film had mixed reviews that audiences disliked and still made over 700 million.
I'm pretty certain the thinking was putting Spider Man back with the red hot Marvel and their universe and introducing him in Civil War, a film that grossed over a billion, and then making a solid, critically acclaimed film would garner much more at the box office.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, Homecoming is going to do better than they thought it would when they signed the deal. It cost a little (or probably a lot) less than whatever they would have done sans Marvel's steering the ship, it rejuvenated the character for them, it got very good word of mouth, and that goodwill should (hopefully) rub off a little.
It didn't underperform
(even though I predicted it would, ever so slightly)
CrichtonKicks
Member
There was a damn LEAK of internal correspondence showing expectations of exactly what Homecoming is doing.
Yes, Sony sucks as a studio. That doesn't mean that people have to invent a narrative to make it look like they suck worse.
broncobuster
Banned
Yeah. Sony is like Square-Enix in having out of control expectations. But realistically they shouldn't be upset with spending less and making a bit more.
That said, Spider-Man absolutely has the potential to pass $1B if it's done right. Maybe if it's a movie with Venom as the main antagonist.
I don't know who is saying it seriously. Most of us are joking about it, or at least I think we are, because of the tomfoolery about how Suicide Squad needing to make $3B to break even.
Sweeney Tom
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Ooh, gonna have to check that out. Most interesting-looking thing about the movie so far for me
lightskintwin
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LOL I'm sorry.
What is wrong with you?
Saw Baby Driver last night. Was good. Theater was 2/3rd full, for a movie out so long that was surprising.
Dunkirk on Wednesday night at IMAX was packed. The movie kept the audience dead quiet the entire time, all eyes focused on it. I'll probably go again near the end of the run so I can get a nice seat right in the middle. Stunning image and sound design.
Dunkirk on Wednesday night at IMAX was packed. The movie kept the audience dead quiet the entire time, all eyes focused on it. I'll probably go again near the end of the run so I can get a nice seat right in the middle. Stunning image and sound design.
Not like you'd be able to hear anyone talking watching this in IMAX anyway. During the action scenes people could probably scream st each other 3 rows in front of you and you wouldn't notice it.
BronsonLee
Member
All I got in return was a link to a paid cam show site.
Eh worth a shot
I'm the real President
You are not even the Iron Fist
Obliterator
Member
So true. Dunkirk in IMAX was by far the loudest film I've ever seen
Bobby Roberts
Banned
are you biking it? Why would your legs fall off.
I am 6'5. Even max legroom is cramped.
I know, it's wonderful!