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Wkd BO 0721-2317 - Slam Dunk' for Nolan, Apes escape, not rough Girl's Trip, Luc
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Damn that is deep, and kinda of true. Especially for Brandon Jackson
DecoReturns
Member
Except RDJ
hodayathink
Member
You have to look at where that money is coming from, though. Studios get more money from the domestic gross than they do international, and even internationally there's a difference between what they get from China and what they get from other countries. Also, those budgets don't include marketing, which is important. The good thing for Sony is that all of those movies had manageable budgets (according to Box Office Mojo, Life had the biggest non-Homecoming live action budget at $58 million, and Smurfs was only barely above it at $60 million), which means while some might not have done well, none of them were expensive enough to land in outright bomb territory.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
It's his greatest performance.
lightskintwin
Banned
He probably won't top it but may come close to it in his next performance where he's playing a Mexican in Jamie Foxx's next movie All Star Weekend.
hodayathink
Member
I mean, he got an Oscar nomination for a purely comedic performance, which is something that never happens nowadays.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
DecoReturns
Member
Now I'm imagining what would've Happen if tropic thunder released during the diversity controversy Oscar season and RDJ got nominated.
whomp
How many good roles are there for a young black male in the film industry? I struggle to think of any.
lightskintwin
Banned
How young? Brandon Jackson's in his early thirties now.
I don't know about that, he was fantastic in Chaplin. Looking over his filmography though, I see a lot of movies that I have never watched and have no interest in ever watching either.
But Tropic Thunder is definitely his best since his comeback.
I still don't get people's obsession with Sony.
Paramount is way more fucked.
And a garbage company filled with garbage people.
So like.
¯\_(ツ_/¯
I agree. Sony has Spider-Man so it gets attention from the fanboy press. Paramount doesn't have any superheroes and so it's mostly anonymous in these conversations.
With their one lifeline, Transformers, tanking this summer Paramount have the potential ignominy of completely falling off the fanboy radar altogether unless they somehow pull the next Hunger Games or Twilight out of a hat.
From what I hear Jumanji has been testing well..., but then again so did CHIPs so make of that what you will.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
If history has shown us anything, something gang or comedy related. Minorities have a shallow pool, unfortunately.
When is poor Noel Gugliemi going to get the chance to just be a regular guy?
I would consider that young in Hollywood. Right now, we have Ray Fisher, Daniel Kaluuya and Michael B. Jordan in good positions and thats about it. I guess the Straight Outta Compton crew isn't doing too bad either.
Jesus this dude much have the market corner on hispanic gangsters
who is his middle eastern counterpart that plays all the terrorists?
BronsonLee
Member
I take umbrage with the fact that I bring bad vibes/negativity to this thread, I am a beacon of light
Also Bobby let's throw down, I got Ed tech now
Also Bobby let's throw down, I got Ed tech now
Obliterator
Member
You are a beacon of malice and ineptitude
Mortimer Brewster
Member
Paramount has completely gone in the dump. The CBS wing is now the dominant part of the company. The one silver lining is that a studio without franchise hits to lean on might take some risks that might pay off.
Also Paramount needs to get off its ass and start releasing their back catalogue on Blu Ray again.
Don't forget the homie. John Boyega.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I still don't get people's obsession with Sony.
Paramount is way more fucked.
And a garbage company filled with garbage people.
So like.
¯\_(ツ
Well Paramount has now Jim Gianopulos at the helm of the company, so I think good things will come in a few years time once his slate of films come to bear.
Sony has just been a mess for a while so people gravitate more towards that + Spidey rights.
lightskintwin
Banned
Lakeith Stanfield, John Boyega, Trevante Rhodes, Andre Holland, RJ Cyler, Bryan Tyree Henry, Jacob Latimore, etc...
Freddie Prinze Jr. is the only one i can think of off the dome, but that was eons ago in hollywood years
True.
I wonder if their expanded Transformer universe is dead, or how they will react to The Last Knight underperforming.
CBS is technically its own company.
But there was an unprecedented amount of fuckery with regards to National Amusements (which basically controls CBS and Viacom(Paramount)) where basically every living Redstone sued each other. It was like GoT but in corporate America (and unlike GoT didn't diminish in quality as it went on).
Like I said, they're a garbage company filled with garbage people. They genuinely just don't care.
Exactly how do you envision Gianopulos will save Paramount? Their issues run deeper than just the guy at the helm.
Paramount has been just as much of a mess (minus the hack), and have been losing more money than Sony.
lightskintwin
Banned
3 of the best directors working in the industry right now are Mexican.
TheDinoman
Member
There is only one way to save the Transformers movies.
bring back the best parts of the first one
He'll eat the whole plate.
I was going to say Diego Luna but he's 37.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This is a video game forum and they make video game consoles and many people who visit here have a weird relationship with the corporate entities who provide their entertainment. To the point where these corporations end up being personified, whether they have a mascot or not.
Plus as a company, they've been run fairly terribly on the movie side for a very long time. Plus Paramount didn't get hacked.
whomp
Woah, is this a Big Momma's House 3? I didn't even know about it.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
On the first statement, the spin-off film Bumblebee just finished most of its casting and should start filming by next month I believe - the budget will most likely have been trimmed given The Last Knight's under-performance though that's for sure.
Gianopulos is a smart executive, I don't doubt his ability in bringing some life back into Paramount. And I think you know this as well, but Paramount/Viacom is in their current situation because of Philippe Dauman's awful tenure as CEO of the company. It's going to take some time before Paramount can be viewed as a "competitor," but I wouldn't count them out just yet.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Sony getting hacked while terrible for them, gave me and everyone else tons of entertainment. Thank Seth Rogen and James Franco for your amazingly ridiculous ideas.
Fair.
Like I said, I might have a thing about Paramount.
Well, I hope for their sake it's trimmed.
That's part of what I alluded to with Paramount having deeper issues than just its CEO, Brad Grey who was CEO for Paramount before Gianopulos wasn't dumb (though his later tenure wasn't exactly stellar).
Viacom has reorganised their approach to TV (consolidating channels, rebranding Spike TV to the Paramount Network, etc.), but haven't seen much news about the film business.
soundscream
Member
There is only one way to save the Transformers movies.
bring back the best parts of the first one
If thats "the best", they should just shut it all down.
There is only one way to save the Transformers movies.
bring back the best parts of the first one
I completely forgot about these characters. Like, wow.
Jon Carter
Member
Marketing spend is not that important to make back during the theater run because marketing a film or a franchise is valuable in the long term. If you're aware of a film but don't get around to watching it until two years later on DVD, the marketing still worked.
Sony also went through an exhaustive search to find a new CEO for Sony Pictures...One of his tasks is better cooperation with Sony Interactive Entertainment.
If Spider-Man goes to shit, Valiant-verse bombs and nothing else sticks (Dark Tower, Jumanji), Sony can at least tap into it's own IP. Not to mention Sony Pictures Television is the Company's lifeblood.
Paramount is just poopy.
hodayathink
Member
Marketing spend matters when we're talking about a company's financials, or whether or not a specific movie made money. You watching the film 2 years later on DVD (or, let's be real, nowadays it's 2 years later on a streaming service) is worth less to a studio than you watching it during it's theatrical run. Even if it were on DVD, by the time we get to 2 years later unless you're talking about a Frozen level success they aren't even printing the DVD in large quantities anymore and just trying to sell out an earlier printing. And not every movie is supposed to be a franchise. There probably wasn't going to be a Passengers 2 even if that movie had done well, for instance.
The TLOU movie is basically in development hell. The Uncharted movie has been rebooted more than once, and I believe all we have right now is that Holland is starring and it's going to be a young Drake. Ratchet and Clank thoroughly under-performed, which is actually kind of impressive for a kids movie that actually had some marketing. There was supposed to be a Sly Cooper movie that no one has really heard anything about for a while now. And then we get to the fact that Resident Evil is basically the only video game based movie series that has had any sustained success.
Yo Vinny whats the word on the Divergent tv series?
They were some of the best parts. Especially when they me tup with the Prez
BronsonLee
Member
Hey guys did you realize that the Resident Evil film series is a billion dollar franchise yet
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Hey, your thing for Paramount isn't out of bounds in the least. They been fucking up.
For example: I'm not forgiving em for the marketing on Into Darkness OR Beyond.
(I remember hearing Paramount wanted to spoil the Khan thing during March Madness and Abrams talked em out of it. Shoulda just sprang it. Letting Abrams run that campaign the way he wanted hurt both the film the studio, AND Abrams)
(didn't hurt Abrams that much, but it did hurt him.)
I only saw the first one.