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Wkd BO 1223-2516 - bomba Ass, Passengers, Sing as audiences continue to go Rogue
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What a weird thread to catch a ban for.
Dash_Riprock
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Hopefully when (if?) they come back they both mellow the hell out.
Back on topic, part of what made Avatar such a megahit was the novelty. Did you hear anyone talking about the characters or cookie-cutter plot? Nope, it was all about the 3-D visuals.
Well, 3-D has been a staple of blockbusters even since then so that novelty is gone. So unless Cameron has invented 4-D or finally wrote a good, original plot for this one, I doubt Avatar 2 will reach the heights of the first. It already has the economy against it as had been pointed out.
Back on topic, part of what made Avatar such a megahit was the novelty. Did you hear anyone talking about the characters or cookie-cutter plot? Nope, it was all about the 3-D visuals.
Well, 3-D has been a staple of blockbusters even since then so that novelty is gone. So unless Cameron has invented 4-D or finally wrote a good, original plot for this one, I doubt Avatar 2 will reach the heights of the first. It already has the economy against it as had been pointed out.
I thought we were laughing at people who thought Avatar 2 wouldn't make a billion.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I wonder who will look crazier in 2018, the people thinking that or the people thinking Pacific Rim 2 will gross as much as the first
ryutaro's mama
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Yep but nice try, Anth0ny.
CaviarMeths
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Nah you're talking about something else now. It won't come close to the first one. Like I said, nothing for maybe even 10 years will. But under $1b? Nah, that's bananas.
ryutaro's mama
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So hating...got it.
Yeah. Sorry. I'll tone it down.
ryutaro's mama
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it's simple math
I call it the "3D fad is fucking over" theorem
It goes like this: You take the WW BO of any film released during the peak of the 3D fad, and decrease that number by 70%. Congratulations, you have calculated the approximate WW BO of the sequel!
Here a real life example:
Alice in Wonderland (2010) WW BO: $1,025,467,110
Alice in Wonderland 2 (2016) WW BO: $299,457,024
Lets apply this flawless theory to the Avatar sequel:
Avatar (2009): $2,787,965,087
Avatar 2 (2018): APPROXIMATELY $836,389,526! With Cameron's name all over the marketing it MIGHT squeak past $900m WW, but not much higher!
I call it the "3D fad is fucking over" theorem
It goes like this: You take the WW BO of any film released during the peak of the 3D fad, and decrease that number by 70%. Congratulations, you have calculated the approximate WW BO of the sequel!
Here a real life example:
Alice in Wonderland (2010) WW BO: $1,025,467,110
Alice in Wonderland 2 (2016) WW BO: $299,457,024
Lets apply this flawless theory to the Avatar sequel:
Avatar (2009): $2,787,965,087
Avatar 2 (2018): APPROXIMATELY $836,389,526! With Cameron's name all over the marketing it MIGHT squeak past $900m WW, but not much higher!
ryutaro's mama
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Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Makes me want Scott Steiner box office analyses.
laziest? troll??? I literally pulled out a calculator and did math.
but seriously avatar 2 isn't doing a billion. I'm not hating I'm just calling it how I see it. it'll probably be a good movie, too. cameron is good at sequels.
CassidyIzABeast
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Don't do this to yourself.
ryutaro's mama
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You trying really hard to convince yourself at this point. If you make a big tall wish, maybe mo one will see it to the tune of $1 billion, a little more than a 1/3 of its last box office.
It's gonna shed like 60% of its money when lesser films are hitting a billion now...but yeah, call it as you see it cause only you do.
I'm doing it.
I literally just took a knife and carved a crossed out "$1b" into my left hand.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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This is ending in an Avatar bet (get it?) so just get it over with!
ryutaro's mama
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PhoncipleBone
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Bobby taken out. Bronson survives. Truly the darkest timeline.
Although, the Slayven/Bronson feud gives me so much joy.
Although, the Slayven/Bronson feud gives me so much joy.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I'm drunk, you do it.
ryutaro's mama
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I can understand the doubting before Avatar came out. Blue forest friends was a hard sell, even with Cameron at the helm.
But now? After he was the only one to top Titanic's box office, after giving everyone else 12 years to take a shot at it? After Avatar made $2.8b, people are doubting the sequel will hit one billion? That's the safest bet ever. It's like arguing Episode VIII won't top $400m in the US. Good heavens.
But now? After he was the only one to top Titanic's box office, after giving everyone else 12 years to take a shot at it? After Avatar made $2.8b, people are doubting the sequel will hit one billion? That's the safest bet ever. It's like arguing Episode VIII won't top $400m in the US. Good heavens.
ryutaro's mama
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vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I saw Passengers and liked it. While I understand the controversy about the plot, it was dealt pretty well in the film. All in all, I thought it was a gorgeous, sufficiently aware of its morally ambiguous romantic story, and quite tense in some parts.
The cinema was full house here in Sydney. Maybe because it's new year and everyone got bored of not being able to go anywhere else (most shops are closed today here). But I'm surprised that it ends up being a bomba in the US.
The cinema was full house here in Sydney. Maybe because it's new year and everyone got bored of not being able to go anywhere else (most shops are closed today here). But I'm surprised that it ends up being a bomba in the US.
CaviarMeths
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>$3b is about as likely as <$1b tbh.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Avatar discussion continues to be dominated by extremes.
Avatar 2 will not outgross Avatar 1.
Avatar 2 will not go under $1b.
Also, "never doubt James Cameron" is getting tired. Yes, he's had the biggest film of all time twice. Spielberg's done it three times. Didn't make The Lost World outgross Jurassic Park, or even come close to the final total. Soooo... I'm not sure I get this line of thought. He's not going to break the record literally every movie he makes, just because he's done it before. Especially with a sequel to a movie that hasn't made an overwhelmingly large lasting impact on global pop culture, and largely benefited from being a then-revolutionary experience that got even your grandma out of the house to see "those fancy 3D graphics the kids are talking about". Which isn't to say it will suddenly crater to Alice 2 levels. So I guess in that regard, yeah, "don't underestimate Cameron", because he's obviously not going to shit out something as bland as the Alice films, that's for sure. It'll be a solid film with great overall numbers that'll do extremely well overseas. I wouldn't at all be surprised by stronger-than-Jurassic-World numbers internationally, or even stronger than TFA. China alone will be an enormous source of income. Domestically, it'll do respectably, even if it doesn't come close to the original's total.
Avatar 2 will not outgross Avatar 1.
Avatar 2 will not go under $1b.
Also, "never doubt James Cameron" is getting tired. Yes, he's had the biggest film of all time twice. Spielberg's done it three times. Didn't make The Lost World outgross Jurassic Park, or even come close to the final total. Soooo... I'm not sure I get this line of thought. He's not going to break the record literally every movie he makes, just because he's done it before. Especially with a sequel to a movie that hasn't made an overwhelmingly large lasting impact on global pop culture, and largely benefited from being a then-revolutionary experience that got even your grandma out of the house to see "those fancy 3D graphics the kids are talking about". Which isn't to say it will suddenly crater to Alice 2 levels. So I guess in that regard, yeah, "don't underestimate Cameron", because he's obviously not going to shit out something as bland as the Alice films, that's for sure. It'll be a solid film with great overall numbers that'll do extremely well overseas. I wouldn't at all be surprised by stronger-than-Jurassic-World numbers internationally, or even stronger than TFA. China alone will be an enormous source of income. Domestically, it'll do respectably, even if it doesn't come close to the original's total.
CaviarMeths
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I don't think anybody is saying that Avatar 2 will outgross Avatar.
People just saying that you shouldn't doubt Cameron's ability to make a great sequel.
People just saying that you shouldn't doubt Cameron's ability to make a great sequel.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Not in this thread, no. But I've seen plenty who say it'll do $3b or more, here on GAF, which is obviously absurd. But even then, although I explicitly called people using that line to defend the idea of the film being the next all-time #1, I was more generally referring to arguments putting it anywhere in the ballpark of the original, even with a generous definition of "ballpark". TFA's the closest we'll get to that in a long time, and Avatar 2 isn't beating TFA.
And I say this as someone who expects a solid movie that easily tops the original in quality. I don't doubt Cameron's skill, but I also acknowledge that regardless of it the odds aren't high for the extremely high numbers some expect.
Does not surprise me in the slightest.
ViewtifulJC
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people still giving a fuck about Avatar movies
IN 2017
IN 2017
Plasticine
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I guess Bobby decided it was time to leave GAF again.
Pretty much this.
It will always be better give a fuck about Cameron-directed action sci-fi than the endless starwar and mahvel tripe.
I think I'm gonna watch me some ABADAR today, start off the year RIGHT.
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