Well for one, having severe anger issues to that level can be considered a mental illness potentially. Someone that goes into a store and throws stuff around violently and isn't under the influence almost for sure has to have some issues.
Woman Goes on Racist Rant at Target
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Weren't you trained in facial recognition of crappy YouTube videos? It's right there in her face that she caught the mental issues.
LordKasual
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racism is a mental issue
people underestimate the capacity that simple little thoughts have to completely change a person when left to fester
What's the discussion though. She could have mental illness. She could not have mental illness. She did rant off racist shit though. If she was mentally ill does it make it better somehow? Or are we supposed to feel more sympathetic that a mental health episode revealed violent and racist tendencies?
SurrenderDorothy
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I mean, it sounds like a lot of armchair doctors are jumping to the ''mentally ill' defence far too quickly based on a short video, rather than discuss what she actually said and did.
Someone actually said ''it's less of a racist issue'', like..what?
Not saying it's not a factor though, just that she's another bloody racist crazy person who thankfully didn't get away with that nonsense.
Spare me the sympathy, no need for the ''what ifs''.
Someone actually said ''it's less of a racist issue'', like..what?
Not saying it's not a factor though, just that she's another bloody racist crazy person who thankfully didn't get away with that nonsense.
Spare me the sympathy, no need for the ''what ifs''.
Snarky(HEART)
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Only if you're white.
I've conceded that I'm basing my interpretation of her behaviour on my limited experience, that we can only be 100% sure of her racism. As Much as I believe I see a mental breakdown on show here, I could be wrong and I'm not an expert.
I've also acknowledged that the racism conversation goes beyond this one scenario and the fact racism is on show in this video at all regardless of the woman's state is awful and needs to be condemned. I mean, even if it turns out this woman is suffering from full-on 24/7 psychosis with no care, her racism was learned from somewhere and us white people bear a large responsibility here.
The problem occurs when people who think they see actual mental distress on show are shut down with comments like "please, it doesn't matter about her mental health the racism is obvious".
It actually /does/ matter about her mental health, and the thinking behind the statement made is dangerous. It risks focusing on one issue and dismissing others, which is the very thing you're accusing me of doing here.
Imagine we saw this footage without the title. I handed you the video and said "what do you think you see here?"
I'm white. I get that for POC the cut of another fucking racist tirade is deep. I mean, this shit might only cut shallow one at a time, but it's like death by a thousand cuts forever. I understand that even if I don't feel it, and I'm sorry it's not a primary concern for me in this video. I get that would piss you off, and maybe I'm wrong.
Based on my own experience I see a woman suffering a great deal of mental distress, and while her racist actions baffle and appal me I also recognise a deep distress I've only seen in one context. While I cannot possibly know how much pain racism causes POC, I absolutely know how much pain mental health issues can cause.
I'm only saying this now in an effort to provide more context to my posts here, I've conceded ultimately we can't be sure and that racism is the only 100% on show.
Apologies for upsetting anyone if I did.
tonysidaway
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The truth being that racism is pervasive? That's scary but not really difficult to admit. Being mentally ill never excuses bad behaviour, though to some extent it tends to mitigate the blame.
Shadow Puppetry
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Geezus, that screenshot is going to give me nightmares tonight.
IF she gets diagnosed as being mentally ill, she should get mental help and not just be thrown in prison.
victreeb3l
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The Twitter thread for this video was comedy gold. So many were shitting on the guy for taking forever to get the cuffs on.
Anyways fuck this racist ass lady.
Anyways fuck this racist ass lady.
Guy probably didn't have proper training, I was given exactly none when I was placed on the same kind of job (a job I quit immediately after receiving a shit ton of threats at me all for $9.50 p/h). It could have been the first time he even put cuffs on somebody.
I'm of the opinion that unless you're an actual police officer you shouldn't be handcuffing people anyway.
I'm of the opinion that unless you're an actual police officer you shouldn't be handcuffing people anyway.
In a perfect world, she should get mental help AFTER she fixes her racist behaviour.
It is no one's responsibility but your own to fix your racism.
Ideally yes, that's exactly what should happen. But these jobs require it. Had he not restrained her he probably would have been fired. The job I was placed on we were expected to restrain anybody causing a scene like this or attempting to steal. Cops were to be called only after if nobody else already had.
They wanted cops in their store for a fraction of the cost.
CadetMahoney
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fucking bankrupt tier.
IsntChrisL
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Obviously she's mentally ill. That doesn't mean she's not racist too. But you're fucking lying to yourself if you think that woman is purely being motivated by racism to act that way.
gutter_trash
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zip ties >>>>>>> handcuffs
many of the other customers were patient as fuck to not get sucked into her vortex.
That teenager was the best
many of the other customers were patient as fuck to not get sucked into her vortex.
That teenager was the best
If she has some strong mental illness, she won't fix anything on her own. This is why there needs to be a middle ground here.
Just say she is racist, but needs mental help.
People have done some atrocious things purely motivated by racism. In America especially.
How About No
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Or both at the same time...
"Look, we wanna give you the help you need, but first you gotta be a good girl and stop calling people ''Sand N****"
Racism has led mobs to hang us from trees in broad daylight while being perfectly able to pose for a picture. But some yelling? Nah...that's too heavy for racism alone -_-
Snarky(HEART)
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Nope. Racism makes people do crazy things all the time.
NervousXtian
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Damn, that lady is on some high grade shit. Or crazy. Or both.
Kinda sad watching it all go down.
Kinda sad watching it all go down.
IsntChrisL
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Yeah, what's your point? Are you saying this woman is not mentally ill?
I know you guys aren't blind. The woman looks homeless. She's yelling out nonsense. That doesn't mean she's not racist. But it also doesn't mean she's mentally stable. She's clearly not.
Snarky(HEART)
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There is literally not a single thing this video shows you that would allow you to say she absolutely has a mental illness.
There's far more evidence to prove she's absolutely racist
I'm saying it's very likely she's not mentally ill
It's very likely she is mentally ill and racist.
IsntChrisL
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I never said she wasn't racist. She clearly is. it doesn't need to be one or the other.
Snarky(HEART)
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I didn't say you did, I'm just giving you my stance.
I'm objecting to racism alone not being able to make someone act like that. It's not true and people throughout history have done more vile things in the name of racism. Doesn't matter if she is mentally ill...just don't devalue what racism can lead one to do while trying to prove that she is mentally ill.
Reminds me of my mom who was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. I am not saying she is but it's eerily similar. I was five when I last saw it, she tried choking me to death while laughing and telling me I was going to die. Thankfully my brother pulled her if me. This lady's face takes me right back there.
When raged people with this condition are capable of some truly evil shit. They want to hurt and will use whatever they can be it an object or racial epitaph. My mom had a horrible life that broke her. I understand that racism is an unforgivable sin on this forum but sometimes its not just black and white.
When raged people with this condition are capable of some truly evil shit. They want to hurt and will use whatever they can be it an object or racial epitaph. My mom had a horrible life that broke her. I understand that racism is an unforgivable sin on this forum but sometimes its not just black and white.
Gordon Shumway
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The thread..
IsntChrisL
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I didn't devalue the power of racism at all. I was very deliberate in my wording:
"Obviously she's mentally ill. That doesn't mean she's not racist too. But you're fucking lying to yourself if you think that woman is purely being motivated by racism to act that way."
Nobody is arguing that racism has not driven people to do awful things. And obviously racist thoughts triggered something in this woman. That doesn't mean she's mentally stable.
Yeah I mean, when has racism ever fueled a heinous act?
I get your point, but it's worded poorly.
So you think someone with a mental illness is going to fix their racism of all things before thinking of anything else?
You can be racist AND have mental issues.
IsntChrisL
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It was my mistake. I thought we were talking about the woman in the video. I should have known everyone would assume I was applying this example to every racist act of violence in history.
It took my family 8 years to be able to get my mother help and I live in Canada where it cost us nothing. It's not as easy as "get help" and it's extremely frustrating that people seem to think this is going to cause some grand revelation that these people or those around them hadn't thought about. The police told us that literally the only chance at help we had was if she eventually became physically violent with someone. In Canada I doubt that video would be enough for the police to be able to do more than keep her for a mandatory 72 stay to calm her down. In the US that could financially ruin her. It cost my friend $4000 for the 72 mandatory stay in the mental health unit at the hospital not including the ambulance that took him there.
And my mother desperately wanted help, but she was terrified of doctors because of the psychosis. For all the good people do here when it comes to mental health I feel like I've been teleported into the middle ages with the way some people respond (not you, just in general GAF has a massive stigma toward mental health).
I can already envision the commercial.
"You should eat a Snickers. You get super racist when you're hungry."
capitalCORN
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For anyone crying 'mental health':
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...1305/got-anger-disorder-not-according-the-dsm
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...1305/got-anger-disorder-not-according-the-dsm
Gordon Shumway
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