Woman Goes on Racist Rant at Target

Realeza said:
You think a regular person would go to such lengths knowing the social and legal consequences?
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How many times do we have to get clear proof of people being publically racist before the answer is an unequivocable FUCK YES?

We see people getting fired for racist shit like every day!
 
Realeza said:
You think a regular person would go to such lengths knowing the social and legal consequences?
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A regular racist? Would she just calmly tap someone on the shoulder and say hello, sorry to bother you, but i think your race is filthy?
 
Llyranor said:
How come the mental health discussion never comes up with POC?
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Because lots of people are racist? Because whiteness/institutionalised racism is a real problem and many don't understand they have a responsibility to be more proactive?

I'd be having the same conversation, though, as would most of the people ITT talking about mental health as a primary factor here.

In fact, it very much seems like most of you having a bad reaction are talking about other instances and taring this one with the same brush...

Snarky(HEART) said:
"If she had called him a sand nigger a little more calmly, I'd have no reason to think there's anything wrong with her mentally."
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You're verging on shit-posting now.
 
Zakalwe said:
Because lots of people are racist? Because whiteness/institutionalised racism is a real problem and many don't understand they have a responsibility to be more proactive?

I'd be having the same conversation, though, as would most of the people ITT talking about mental health as a primary factor here.
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But you aren't right? You'd prefer to have the mental health conversation.
 
Symphonia said:
Are you saying mental health isn’t a factor?
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It might not be. A psychiatrist will be able to make that diagnosis. But it is for sure racism.

Could be drugs, could be anger issues, and yes it could be mental health issues.

I've seen people get pissed off and then lose their minds. Hell my Mom used to throw things at my Dad when she got pissed off enough. People can snap.
 
Zakalwe said:
There is plenty of evidence in the video or I wouldn't be here writing what I am.

Have you ever seen a severe mental break? It often plays out exactly like this video, ending in a person sobbing and pleading to be let go. A person not understanding they just said/did some terrible shit, or even a person under the weight of the full realisation of it. It's a terrible thing.

I've never suggested what you say I have.
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I've seen drunk people arrested sobbing and pleading to be let go after being arrested. I've seen people just snap under stress build up in their lives acting like this. The funny thing about being taken down by someone in a uniform is a lot of people start saying they didn't do it or crying.

And yes I've been in a hospital for mental issues and kept for several days. I've witnessed several break downs, some fucking intense ones with PTSD patients. Funny enough none of them involved racial tirades.

I mean I could give my expert opinion on this very short video as well. Looking at certain aspects of the lady, the complexion of her skin for instance, the use of colorful language, the claims of didn't do anything and doesn't want to go to jail AFTER going on her rant. To me it could be a case of the classic Assholistic Racistidious.

Here's the rub for me, I know you think you are being well intentioned and mean no harm. The problem is you are part of a very real problem where people are automatically shifting the more unsightly social problems to a group of people (except black people because they are apparently immune to mental issues and fully responsible). It makes people with mental issues like that pot everyone spits their wine in.
 
rjinaz said:
It might not be. A psychiatrist will be able to make that diagnosis. But it is for sure racism.

Could be drugs, could be anger issues, and yes it could be mental health issues.

I've seen people get pissed off and then lose their minds. Hell my Mom used to throw things at my Dad when she got pissed off enough. People can snap.
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I've never seen the reaction at the end of the video in anything other than severe mental episodes, and I've seen a few severe mental episodes.

If it is drugs, if it is anger issues, I think it's obvious mental issues are in play too.
 
rjinaz said:
It might not be. A psychiatrist will be able to make that diagnosis. But it is for sure racism.

Could be drugs, could be anger issues, and yes it could be mental health issues.

I've seen people get pissed off and then lose their minds. Hell my Mom used to throw things at my Dad when she got pissed off enough. People can snap.
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I would consider losing it like that to anger a mental health issue.
 
Her antics aside, I was impressed with how the guard was able to ultimately cuff her despite repeated resistance and without assistance.
 
Kyoufu said:
What a weak argument. It's true that you can just be a racist asshole, but you can also be mentally ill too.

If combined then you'd probably see something like this. I'm not denying that there's a possibility that she's racist, but the fact that you're denying any possibility of her being mentally ill despite the context given prior to the video recording is straight up asinine. It makes it all the more sad that someone who has experience with mental illness in the family would straight up deny the possibility of a stranger being mentally ill as well. So much for awareness.
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Im not denying the possibility of her mental illness, in fact i pointed out that most criminal and deviants are actually mentally ill, so its irrelevant to bring up as a defense for this random racist, and not only do i think its ridiculous to assume her mental health based on a video of a racist temper tantrum or the fact that she might have crazy conspiracy beliefs, but its also equally as likely that a mentally ill person would not have those issues, AND just as likely that a regular old asshole could fit that bill as well, without mental issues. How about we dont assume every crazy asshole on the internet is someone who has mental health problems because throwing racist temper tantrums and believing in conspiracy theories are not exclusive nor characteristic qualities of the mentally ill, thank you very much. Life is not movie. Mentally ill doesnt mean you ramble to yourself about flesh caves and yell sand nigger and throw cookies. There are plenty of just stupid people who do that, or drug addicts, and plenty of mentally ill who do not whatsoever. If it comes out that she has mental health issues, it will have had nothing to do with, and still was not intelligent to assume it because of, racist slurs, talk of conspiracy theories, and throwing boxes of cookies in a Target. And it still wont mean that it was wrong to be appalled by her behavior. Like I said, most criminals could actually just use some empathy and good help. It doesnt mean when we watch a video of a woman calling people nigger and throwing shit at them we have to feel sorry for her until we kkow for sure she isnt ill, its the opposite. MAYBE she will deserve some sympathy. Even if she has issues, unless they are a very specific set of issues, she still might not need sympathy. The tragedy of being driven to delinquency by mental illness is much more common and prevalent than racist ladies in a target, id rather feel bad for the guy forced to become a thief even though he knew exactly what he was doing because he had parental issues and grew up in a bad neighborhood with the deck stacked against them than a lady who had a break down because she read too much info wars.
 
If the person is mentally ill, her attorney will build that case based on expert testimony

We don't know her health history, or what her baseline looks like

Presently, we only know that her behavior was disgusting

It's a little early to ascribe a causal relationship between her mental health and her racist bullshit. The one could cause the other, or they could simply coexist separately. Nobody in this thread has any idea about that

Y'know, when I lost my mind a few years back, I did a lot of shitty things. I faced consequences for them. Nobody tried to rationalize any of it, or defend my actions. In my case, I knew I needed help, but did not comply with treatment. So I had some responsibility for the consequences of that decision.

For all we know, this woman decided to take a lithium holiday. That would make her fully responsible. Until more facts are known, mental illness by itself is not an excuse--that requires context that nobody here has.

We don't need context to know that her behavior was truly vile. That's all we actually know--she behaved horribly.

In a nearby thread about Sandy Hook Truthers, many arguments were made regarding the fallible logic of religious people. The truth is, religious or not, in the absence of evidence, we all occasionally create stories that fit our desired beliefs. We cannot create a scientific narrative depending on blood chemistry and life events that nobody knows, but we do it all the time.

All we know is that her shit was racist AF
 
Ponn said:
I've seen drunk people arrested sobbing and pleading to be let go after being arrested. I've seen people just snap under stress build up in their lives acting like this. The funny thing about being taken down by someone in a uniform is a lot of people start saying they didn't do it or crying.

And yes I've been in a hospital for mental issues and kept for several days. I've witnessed several break downs, some fucking intense ones with PTSD patients. Funny enough none of them involved racial tirades.

I mean I could give my expert opinion on this very short video as well. Looking at certain aspects of the lady, the complexion of her skin for instance, the use of colorful language, the claims of didn't do anything and doesn't want to go to jail AFTER going on her rant. To me it could be a case of the classic Assholistic Racistidious.

Here's the rub for me, I know you think you are being well intentioned and mean no harm. The problem is you are part of a very real problem where people are automatically shifting the more unsightly social problems to a group of people (except black people because they are apparently immune to mental issues and fully responsible). It makes people with mental issues like that pot everyone spits their wine in.
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There are countless videos of people being racist without mental health being a huge factor, this is one of the few that mental health seems to be the primary factor.

I'm not inventing a scenario and then applying it to the subject, there is evidence here of a person having a severe mental breakdown, and as painful as it is to talk about these things we do need to talk about them, especially with the evidence of some of the reactions ITT regarding how mental health can affect people.
 
Ponn said:
I've seen drunk people arrested sobbing and pleading to be let go after being arrested. I've seen people just snap under stress build up in their lives acting like this. The funny thing about being taken down by someone in a uniform is a lot of people start saying they didn't do it or crying.

And yes I've been in a hospital for mental issues and kept for several days. I've witnessed several break downs, some fucking intense ones with PTSD patients. Funny enough none of them involved racial tirades.

I mean I could give my expert opinion on this very short video as well. Looking at certain aspects of the lady, the complexion of her skin for instance, the use of colorful language, the claims of didn't do anything and doesn't want to go to jail AFTER going on her rant. To me it could be a case of the classic Assholistic Racistidious.

Here's the rub for me, I know you think you are being well intentioned and mean no harm. The problem is you are part of a very real problem where people are automatically shifting the more unsightly social problems to a group of people (except black people because they are apparently immune to mental issues and fully responsible). It makes people with mental issues like that pot everyone spits their wine in.
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Kyzer said:
Im not denying the possibility of her mental illness, in fact i pointed out that most criminal and deviants are actually mentally ill, so its irrelevant to bring up as a defense for this random racist, and not only do i think its ridiculous to assume her mental health based on a video of a racist temper tantrum or the fact that she might have crazy conspiracy beliefs, but its also equally as likely that a mentally ill person would not have those issues, AND just as likely that a regular old asshole could fit that bill as well, without mental issues. How about we dont assume every crazy asshole on the internet is someone who has mental health problems because throwing racist temper tantrums and believing in conspiracy theories are not exclusive nor characteristic qualities of the mentally ill, thank you very much. Life is not movie. Mentally ill doesnt mean you ramble to yourself about flesh caves and yell sand nigger and throw cookies. There are plenty of just stupid people who do that, or drug addicts, and plenty of mentally ill who do not whatsoever. If it comes out that she has mental health issues, it will have had nothing to do with, and still was not intelligent to assume it because of, racist slurs, talk of conspiracy theories, and throwing boxes of cookies in a Target. And it still wont mean that it was wrong to be appalled by her behavior. Like I said, most criminals could actually just use some empathy and good help. It doesnt mean when we watch a video of a woman calling people nigger and throwing shit at them we have to feel sorry for her until we kkow for sure she isnt ill, its the opposite. MAYBE she will deserve some sympathy. Even if she has issues, unless they are a very specific set of issues, she still might not need sympathy. The tragedy of being driven to delinquency by mental illness is much more common and prevalent than racist ladies in a target, id rather feel bad for the guy forced to become a thief even though he knew exactly what he was doing because he had parental issues and grew up in a bad neighborhood with the deck stacked against them than a lady who had a break down because she read too much info wars.
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Sums up where I am.
 
She is not mentally ill, just a racist, angry person on drugs. Mentally fit and angry folk say/do extremely stupid shit all the time and when you add drugs to the mix you get this woman.

Her voice even sounds like someone I knew that was on hard drugs.
 
Zakalwe said:
There are countless videos of people being racist without mental health being a huge factor, this is one of the few that mental health seems to be the primary factor.

I'm not inventing a scenario and then applying it to the subject, there is evidence here of a person having a severe mental breakdown, and as painful as it is to talk about these things we do need to talk about them, especially with the evidence of some of the reactions ITT regarding how mental health can affect people.
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There's got to be an easier way to have that conversation than deflecting from racism.
 
Snarky(HEART) said:
There's got to be an easier way to have that conversation than deflecting from racism.
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So let's say that I'm right and this woman experienced a full-on mental breakdown with some heavy psychosis.

You think this one should be lumped in with all the other footage of obvious racists? That her use of hate speech trumps the mental health conversation entirely?

There's no deflection here, there's two very real issues that both need to be discussed in tandem.

Of course, my armchair diagnosis could be wrong, but I'm betting on my experience a little here and I've seen psychotic episodes and I've seen drunken breakdowns and to me they're two very different things in that I can clearly identify this as the former.

Again, based on my own limited experience. I fully acknowledge I'm not an expert. I just think this is a very important (difficult) conversation to have, and this looks like an example of it.
 
Zakalwe said:
I'm not trying to defend a racist here before anyone gets stupid, but I'm pretty tired of people downplaying how serious mental health issues can be.
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Which should make you keenly sympathetic to those who are pretty tired of people downplaying how serious racism can be, and will side-eye any "more X than racism" comments.
 
Zakalwe said:
I'm not inventing a scenario and then applying it to the subject, there is evidence here of a person having a severe mental breakdown, and as painful as it is to talk about these things we do need to talk about them.
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You're not inventing a scenario? What evidence? Where are her medical records?

My mom has no mental issues but she acted exactly like this one night as far as the tantrum part not the slurs. It was because she ran out of her heart pills and the pharmacy couldn't get it filled. She just snapped and was screaming like this and I had to calm her down.

Target has a pharmacy, it's possible she was just denied a script that she desperately needs and is acting out. The point is we don't know what happened before this video but mental issues is the catch all. And no, no one wants to talk about real mental issues. They want to label the shit they don't want to deal with as mental issues and shove it on off.
 
Zakalwe said:
I've never seen the reaction at the end of the video in anything other than severe mental episodes, and I've seen a few severe mental episodes.

If it is drugs, if it is anger issues, I think it's obvious mental issues are in play too.
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yuoke said:
I would consider losing it like that to anger a mental health issue.
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The point being, we know for sure it's racism. The police, doctors will figure the rest out, you can't really blame people for focusing on the one variable that is known for sure.
 
So you've got to mentally ill to be openly and loudly racist ? Some folks on GAF crack me up.

One concern I had was that it took that guard way too long to cuff her, is this how hard it is for cops or is it just a training thing?
 
Barzul said:
So you've got to mentally ill to be openly and loudly racist ? Some folks on GAF crack me up.

One concern I had was that it took that guard way too long to cuff her, is this how hard it is for cops or is it just a training thing?
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You ignore the part where she was getting violent and throwing things around. Also showing verbal and facial signs of mental illness
 
Barzul said:
So you've got to mentally ill to be openly and loudly racist ? Some folks on GAF crack me up.

One concern I had was that it took that guard way too long to cuff her, is this how hard it is for cops or is it just a training thing?
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It's like you ignored the video description completely.
 
rjinaz said:
The point being, we know for sure it's racism. The police, doctors will figure the rest out, you can't really blame people for focusing on the one variable that is known for sure.
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Ponn said:
You're not inventing a scenario? What evidence? Where are her medical records?
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You're right, ultimately you're right no matter what argument I imagine.

As much as I think I'm right about her mental state based on my experience, I could be wrong and there is 100% for certain racist hate speech in this video.

I think my point is still very valid though. While "mental health" is used as a shitty excuse far too often, we need to be very careful we don't brush over instances of actual mental health related episodes.

We do run the risk of charging at things blindly because there's just so fucking much to be angry about in this context.

All I can say is that if the woman in this video is suffering in the way she appears to be to me, that she gets both the necessary care she needs and the correct management of her condition in future.

If she's a racist pos, I hope she's punished appropriately.
 
We can't brush over a mental health episode that we don't know exists or not. That's the thing- people are framing this as if it's confirmed she's actually got a mental illness.
 
yuoke said:
You ignore the part where she was getting violent and throwing things around. Also showing verbal and facial signs of mental illness
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What credentials do you have that enable you to make that judgement off a single video? Is every violent person mentally ill? Is every person that throws things mentally ill? So what enabled you to get to mentally ill from all that, the racism?

I personally see no signs of mental illness just a woman who is probably intoxicated and angry enough to let the racism slip out. And hell I could be wrong, but one thing is certain, she is racist. The only definitive conclusion from the video.

Kyoufu said:
It's like you ignored the video description completely.
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The description in the OP?
 
Nepenthe said:
We can't brush over a mental health episode that we don't know exists or not. That's the thing- people are framing this as if it's confirmed she's actually got a mental illness.
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I think there's enough potential evidence in this video to warrant it being considered as a very real possibility, and at the very least taking caution with how we approach it and having a discussion that involves this possibility and /not/ just dismissing it with comments like "inb4 mental illness, too late!".
 
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