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[Alo0oy]

Yes... but my point is, if (some) Arab women defend the status quo of not letting women dress how they want, they are still wrong and should be opposed.

If we agree, cool, but then I just wonder why you insist on saying "let Arab women decide for themselves". Freedom and equality are not cultural quirks, they are non-negotiable. Or, in other words:
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I don't know why it bothers you that what they wear is their right, and theirs alone. It's not about cultural quirks, it's about letting them decide themselves, not their government, not their culture, not their peers, not their spouses, not their friends, not their parents, every singular Arab woman decides what she wears herself. And that right should not be negotiable in any way.

If a conservative Arab woman is against it, then tough luck, she doesn't get to decide what other Arab women wear.

 

[Kin5290]

Phew, just read on CBS that she was released without charge. Probably got scolded like crazy, I bet.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/887692383726559232

I imagine the government came up with some kind of sanction, but I just hope that the woman stays safe.

 

[Alo0oy]

Sure, go ahead. I've been trying myself to post articles and other findings in this topic that anyone can read (as long as they are somewhat linked to the OP).

Speaking of activists within the country





https://www.amnestyusa.org/victories/good-news-saudi-arabia-souad-al-shammari-released/

Much longer article here



https://nypost.com/2016/11/07/the-feminist-trying-to-change-saudi-arabias-strict-islamic-law/

As if often the case the people that try to speak out from within face serious consequences.

edit: Bonus, linked to how places like the UK view/treat SA (on a Government level) ~ Theresa May denies suppressing report into Saudi Arabia’s funding of UK Islamist extremism to protect arms deals £££$$$

I'll PM you some stuff later.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Phew, just read on CBS that she was released without charge. Probably got scolded like crazy, I bet.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/887692383726559232

Now we just have to hope the public doesn't take "justice" in to their own hands.

 

[kromeo]

Still sad no western country has the balls to stand up to them.

Stand up to them and do what? Stop buying their oil?

 

[double jump]

Yeah good news but I have no faith in that part of the world. I hope she can leave or whatever and live peacefully.

 

[Kaako]

The more I think about it, the more fucked up the entire system created out of fear in the excuse of religion in extremist countries like SA is. They literally divided and turned women against each other. Female moral vigilantes whose sole job is to make life a living hell for other females. It is utterly despicable and beyond fucked up how this misogynist system divides and conquers in the name of "religion" and "morals." This predatory system makes me sick to my fucking core. It is everything I strive against as a human being, having experienced it first hand for the first 10 years of my life.

Fuck any country/culture/belief system that preys on the innocent and denies them the very basic freedoms of life out of fear. All out of fear.

 

[Audioboxer]

I'll PM you some stuff later.

If it's spokespeople, books, articles, videos or anything along those lines, without pressure, I'd urge you just to share publicly. That way others reading the topic can benefit too.

 

[Alo0oy]

The more I think about it, the more fucked up the entire system created out of fear in the excuse of religion in extremist countries like SA is. They literally divided and turned women against each other. Female moral vigilantes whose sole job is to make life a living hell for other females. It is utterly despicable and beyond fucked up how this misogynist system divides and conquers in the name of "religion" and "morals." This predatory system makes me sick to my fucking core. It is everything I strive against as a human being, having experienced it first hand for the first 10 years of my life.

Fuck any country/culture/belief system that preys on the innocent and denies them the very basic freedoms of life out of fear. All out of fear.

There are women in Saudi Arabia that report other women when they do things the government considers "illegal", the situation there is beyond fucked up and I don't see any solution there until the oil wells dry up and the Royal Family runs out of leverage.

 

[Alo0oy]

If it's spokespeople, books, articles, videos or anything along those lines, without pressure, I'd urge you just to share publicly. That way others reading the topic can benefit too.

Sure, I'll compile some stuff and post the links here for people interested in the subject.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Phew, just read on CBS that she was released without charge. Probably got scolded like crazy, I bet.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/887692383726559232

Glad this got this kind of attention, I'm skeptic this would have been outcome had the case been a little bit more low key.

 

[Kaako]

There are women in Saudi Arabia that report other women when they do things the government considers "illegal", the situation there is beyond fucked up and I don't see any solution there until the oil wells dry up and the Royal Family runs out of leverage.

Sadly, this exact same situation is pretty common in most extremist nations regardless of their religion. This is what an extremist system creates regardless of religious beliefs I truly feel. It divides and conquers. It turns the people against each other and it is beyond sickening.

 

[kruis]

There are women in Saudi Arabia that report other women when they do things the government considers "illegal", the situation there is beyond fucked up and I don't see any solution there until the oil wells dry up and the Royal Family runs out of leverage.

When both the oil and the money have run out, women's rights won't be the number one priority for a desert country with a rapidly growing population and no production sector.

 

[ShironRedshift]

Good to hear that she was released.

Golden_Pigeon started posting in this thread at post 321. Meaning he's participated in this thread for the last 314 posts. Of those 314 posts, Golden_Pigeon is the poster of 69. This means that roughly 1 out of 5 of those 314 posts belong to Golden_Pigeon. Many other users have told Golden_Pigeon that a lot of his posts are off-topic and should be in their own thread instead of hijacking this one about a particular news story out of Saudi Arabia. Golden_Pigeon has not slowed down at all.

As a result, the original thing this thread was created to discuss has become completely lost in a slew of "what about this other thing?" That is called "derailing" and/or "disruptive posting". Please do not do that. This has been a friendly reminder from your friend, Lionel Mandrake.

I know this situation has resolved itself, but it's fascinating to me that people even attempt to derail topics on message boards. Like, that type of thing might work in real life debates and in online chat rooms and the like, but internet message boards/forums are the one place that type of thing absolutely doesn't work, instead being at complete cross-purposes to their goal and resulting in a Streisand effect. Like, in chat rooms and the like, spamming about something irrelevant can kick the original topic off-screen and be completely lost, particularly for newcomers to the conversation.

But on a message board? No matter how much a person spams, no matter how off-topic the thread itself gets, that first post will always still be there. Y'know, the very thing they clearly don't want people to see at all and want people to stop talking about, or else they wouldn't be trying to derail to begin with. But no matter how much they try, it will always be there. And as well all know, the only thing most people bother to read when they come into a thread are the thread title and first post (if even that).

So all their derailing attempts accomplish is keeping the thread alive and active so that even more people can see the content that they very clearly don't want them to see and be talking about. And the more they continue, the worse that situation becomes, and the more they end up signal boosting the exact thing they don't want signal boosted.

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

(Of course, none of this takes away from how annoying and obnoxious the behavior is. It just makes me laugh whenever I see someone try though because of how pointless it is.)

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I don't know why it bothers you that what they wear is their right, and theirs alone. It's not about cultural quirks, it's about letting them decide themselves, not their government, not their culture, not their peers, not their spouses, not their friends, not their parents, every singular Arab woman decides what she wears herself. And that right should not be negotiable in any way.

If a conservative Arab woman is against it, then tough luck, she doesn't get to decide what other Arab women wear.

Okay, good, we are actually in agreement all along!

But just to be clear: you are OK with external, non-Arab women agreeing that Arab women can wear whatever they want, and that even if some Arab women defend the status quo, non-Arab women have the right to criticize that... right?

 

[7aged]

Phew, just read on CBS that she was released without charge. Probably got scolded like crazy, I bet.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/887692383726559232

Which was always the most likely outcome.
Generally for these kind of things, they make you sign a oath to not do it again then summon your family to pick you up.

This whole story was blown up by social media into something bigger than it was.
I mean some years back, Saudi TV presenter Nadine al-Bedair did far worse. She said in an interview she purposefully wore short skirts on TV as a statement. Nothing happened to her.

People talking up torture and execution were letting their imagination run