Done right in the way the film in question was marketed? Sure.
Done right in terms of the film itself? Not particularly. You realize people pay to see movies before they get the chance to see them, right?
Wonder Woman Is a Disjointed Disaster (Says DC Insider)
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Done right in the way the film in question was marketed? Sure.
Done right in terms of the film itself? Not particularly. You realize people pay to see movies before they get the chance to see them, right?
The first two acts of The First Avenger are great, especially in regards to when it delved into characterizing pre-serum Steve and fleshing out his motivations.
The third act is a bit rubbish though, and I think deep down, most people know it.
Fanboys/girls are not known for self awareness. Anytime you see someone parrot that nonsense about critic bias, critics or audiences not being smart enough or any of that kind of nonsense we've been getting to excuse the DCEU's failures, you know they're not someone to take seriously.
Had to unsubscribe from the DC_Cinematic subreddit because those guys got so unbearable with their delusions and persecution complex.
I'm not seeing ham-fisted Jesus symbolism. Unless Bronsonlee considers himself the messiah.
we're through the looking glass people
Ignatz Mouse
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The buzz around every DC movies is worse than the actual movie ends up being.
I'll reserve judgment until I actually see it.
I'll reserve judgment until I actually see it.
Gnome Scat
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Can't say I'm surprised.
BronsonLee
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I feel threatened
Gordon Shumway
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If only everyone could pull off this wild and zany technique..
Of course I have. What I'm saying is that it isn't so hard to see why something that is popular gets that way. Usually it does something good.
SS's success and appeal shouldn't be so befuddling to the whole lot of you in here.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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If SS having legs means they must have done something right then what does Batman v Superman having one of the biggest 2nd weekend drop offs in the history of cinema mean?
I think you need to start a petition, let Rotten Tomatoes know they have a double standard in their algorithms!
Obviously that WB is laughing its way to the bank.
BadAss2961
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Shouldn't be too difficult to understand with Suicide Squad having different aesthetic and character types from anything in the MCU. The movie also has a bit of an edge to it being on the harder end of PG-13 compared to Marvel.
They're in the same vain as far as being dumb comic book movies, but they have very different approaches.
Russo brothers directed an action heavy episode of Community, it was what got them noticed. They also showed up very prepared, with action storyboards and everything to pitch to Marvel, which eventually led to them being hired for the job.
Marketing.
And a lot of it.
I'm okay with this assessment. Everything pre-serum and everything before the storm of the castle was great.
Yeah the 3rd act got a bit bad. But I thought they pulled it back just in time for the closer where Steve woke up. That last scene with him standing in modern day New York made me a bit emotional.
"Fun little side projects" do not cost 175 million dollars, plus another 50-100 in marketing.
I liked Wonder Woman's trailer a lot better than JL's and was looking forward to it. However, I do believe this. Sasha doesn't have any reasons to lie. Also the first red flag should have been this:
If this are Patty Jenkin's standards I don't expect good things for WW. I'd love to be wrong though.
HammerOfThor
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DC needs to take a step back, realize they aren't catching up to Marvel any time soon, if ever, and just think through the stories they want to tell. It doesn't need to be in detail, just the overall arch they want to build in their universe. They also need to stop chasing that Nolan darkness. They seem to be going in blind to everything and just making stuff up as they go. It took Marvel what, 4 years to get build to The Avengers? In those 4 years we saw each main hero get a fleshed out story and background. Justice League comes out this year and I don't know the first thing about Aquaman, Flash, or Cyborg. Hell, I don't even know that their DCMU Superman is all about.
Just breathe DC, and take your time.
Just breathe DC, and take your time.
Bobby Roberts
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I would also argue that if your expectations for these movies are "not meant to be taken seriously. you watch it once, laugh a few times and forget about it" then you're probably not disposed to giving all that much of a shit about them as movies in the first place. Of course critical reviews aren't going to resonate with you if you're going to jettison your own critical lens right from the start.
As Superboy, no less.
Bobby Roberts said:
As Superboy, no less.
You're missing what I'm saying. By all means, like Suicide Squad for whatever reason you want. I just don't get calling the MCU shallow and merchandise driven, both legit criticisms depending on your POV, while giving SS a pass. At worst, SS is as close to objectively worse as you can get by pretty much every possible metric. At best, it's no better than the worst of the MCU.
BronsonLee
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I would love a bunch of Lego DC movies
How so?
They're making more money now than Marvel did when their cinematic universe started. SS made more money than Strange or Ant-Man despite the critical backlash and MCU goodwill. Like yes, make better films, but at the moment it's not like they're losing money particularly.
Bobby Roberts
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the toupee will be phenomenal.
Glass Rebel
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I could see Cavill as Sinestro.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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She could have said nothing.
Ben Afflecks twitter wasn't exactly lit up with praise for SS for instance.
BronsonLee
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They look fun!
Lego Superman could be really fun.
There's nothing befuddling about the movie's success.
It was marketed well, had good trailers and had popular characters and actors.
However, you're trying to equate success with quality and those aren't the same thing, especially not when it comes to Suicide Squad.
Darth Ghandi
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This makes me sad 
BronsonLee
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I'm immune to all weeb weapons so that would be an devastating victory in my favor
They'll become friends when they both realize they love Asian women.
I can also agree with that assessment.
Pandora012
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Did someone say flashpoint? Though lets hope it doesn't lead to new 52 land.
He was running around claiming to be Iron Fist for months. Close enough
KeyBladerXIII
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I'm going to laugh if Aquaman turns out to be the only DCU movie that's critically acclaimed.
If Wonder Woman and Justice League are terrible and Affleck pulls out, they should just give the tv shows a movie of their own.
If Wonder Woman and Justice League are terrible and Affleck pulls out, they should just give the tv shows a movie of their own.
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