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Wonder Woman Is a Disjointed Disaster (Says DC Insider)
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i'm laughing harder at this than i really should be
It just always puts a smile on my face to hear Bill Burr shit on the city and audience. I have nothing against the city, it's just an entertaining hateful reaction. Well, barring the slurs.
BronsonLee
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He's a shithouse New Yorker who's claim to fame is being like 12th on the casting sheet of Breaking Bad
Get that nerd in the bin
Gordon Shumway
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HE SAID THOR 2!!!
GameAddict411
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Is it me or is DC really cheapening on the talents? It seems that the creative teams running these movies are just terrible at capturing what these characters are supposed to be like.
You are delusional. To say a badly directed film like BvS is a visual treat is a joke in itself. What visual treat? Is it the shaky cam the director used to convey frantic action? Is it the excessive filter and color hues that were not even necessary to be there in the first place? Or the chopy editing and framing of the action? As for music, the only music that was noticeable (and embarrassingly repeated to the point of silliness) was the Wonder Woman theme.
Gordon Shumway
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Really? Huh. Is there any videos of her being this miserable person you disagree with? I'd like some background. I don't tend to follow actors so closely, so perhaps I missed it.
It must be like how "everyone" hates Tom Cruise.
Spyder_Monkey
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I'm shocked.
I don't think its anything she did. (maybe there is, I just haven't look into it.)
Honestly its probably just a phenomenon where people just hate Anne Hathaway and they don't really know why. also, bandwagon effect.
Can we go back and talk about Cap? The thread was much nicer 3 pages ago.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Like a million folks quoted my post, some with memes, some with insults and some with random drive by comments that didnt address the points i made, people are already getting inspired by Trump. So they will be ignored altogether lol.
Choosing this post to reply since it was one of the few to actually take time to write a coherent response.
The problem i have with gaf and i guess critics nowadays is that if it's slightly flawed it's considered a mess, called utter shit etc. If anyone took the time to read my post history they will see that i always concede that BvS is a heavily flawed movie. Pacing is off, character motivations arent setup well, and the title fight sucked. But these are problems pretty much every action movie has to contend with as they try to jam in action setpieces in a 2 hour movie. Marvel movies sprinkle in jokes every five minutes to keep you entertained but that doesnt mean they dont have the same problems with character motivations, pacing and failed potential. I dont see Doctor Strange getting poor reviews because it followed the marvel Origin formula to the tee and was basically Iron Man with inception like action scenes. I have never seen anyone call it a poor man's inception which is bizarre to me because that's precisely what it is.
I dont know how any movie with so many great scenes can be an unwatchable mess just because it kinda drags in the middle and is dreary and takes itself super seriously. there are plenty of great scenes in the movie that keep it moving.
- Opening titles (beautifully shot)
- Great revisiting of Metropolis' destruction. Effortlessly sets up Batman's motivations
- Great montage of Superman saving shit. And people still bitching about it. Sets up Superman's state of mind.
- Great sequence with Bruce and Clark interacting for the first time on screen.
- Cool Batmobile action scene.
- Awesome one shot knightmare action scene
- Great little surprise with Lex blowing up the congressional hearing. no one saw it coming.
- Great last act with Batman warehouse fight (best batman action in a movie yet), doomsday fight with superman, final doomsday fight with all three superheroes.
I get it. people have short attention spans and can get bored quickly. but i have no idea how a movie can have some many great scenes and be utter shit like you said and the RT score suggests.
BronsonLee
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THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ME NOW
PanSexual_Peacock
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Mark Hughes just dropped this about the recent rumors
https://www.facebook.com/MarkHughesFilms/posts/10211357449122778
https://www.facebook.com/MarkHughesFilms/posts/10211357449122778
The Technomancer
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^Slimy Snake I mean...movies are more than just collections of scenes that are cool or exciting. The entire structure of the story, from character motivation to plot mechanics, is variously over complex, ineffective, incoherent or confusing.
But any MCU Cap movie is better than BvS...
Ignatz Mouse
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That's a very good take.
Get this rational thought out of this thread
Many people have called Doctor Strange Marvel's Inception since the trailer came out and when the movie came out. Do better.
The first 20 minutes of BvS is fine. It then becomes a movie I do not like and consider to be a bad Comic Book Movie afterward until the Batman warehouse fight that is great and then I don't care about anything else except for that great Wonder Woman theme.
Also you wanna talk about failed potential? BvS is the epitome of failed potential in a CBM.
I didn't care about any one in that movie and I adore MoS. It ain't good, not because it's more serious, but because it just is not good. TC or UC.
Gordon Shumway
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Don't you ever get tired? Respond with caps..
Freeza Under The Shower
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It's a bit more probable that they lucked in before with Burton and Nolan as people whose sets you can visit and say 'he got this', and they didn't try to interfere with what they were doing.
Also, editing has been going down all over the board, not just on DC movies. Have you seen ID4-2, Gods of Egypt, and Suicide Squad? Those things make Man of Steel look like a DaVinci in terms of just how shockingly awful the editing has gotten.
And that can only be explained by changes in the process, presumably more work that needs doing, less direct creative vision and oversight due to technology changes and tighter deadlines than ever.
Ironically the same thing has been ongoing in video games for a while now, with Mass Effect 3 (2012 !!) being the stand-out foster child of 'deadlines ruin everything'. Bioware had basically zero time to properly make that, and it was obvious. 2016 editing felt like that too. I imagine 2017 is going to be equally disastrous on the big studio projects, since this is a systemic issue, not just WB, Universal, Paramount, or whatever. It's everywhere.
brickarts295
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Well I'm still down for the comic book like action, which is the best thing the DC films have been offering. (Smallville fight and the Warehouse are still grade A fight scenes in my book)
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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You still haven't explained WHY the statistical average of every professional movie reviewer in the English speaking world is somehow biased in favor of Marvel.
broncobuster
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You see this? Affleck jokes about the Sad Affleck thing.
https://youtu.be/4wiCgtMm-go
An aside, guy seems to be doing better lately.
1. Great movies are more than just a collection of great scenes.
2. The RT score that actually matters, the average rating, is 4.9/10. That doesn't suggest a movie that is utter shit; that suggests a movie that is just a tiny bit below average. The 27 percent number you're looking at means 27 percent of critics liked it and 73 percent didn't; the numeric value of their like or dislike is not equal (e.g. someone who thought it was a 10/10 and someone who thought it was a 6/10 could both be considered liking the movie).
3. Maybe a lot of those scenes actually aren't all that great, but you just happen to like them?
Like, it's okay to like something that is not that good. I for instance love Bloodsport, I ain't gonna try to convince people that Bloodsport is the pinnacle of cinema that audiences don't like because they are brainwashed by Stevan Segal movies.
That tactic only works so long. Consumer confidence is a finite resource. Eventually people will stop watching these movies if they keep being shit.
But Bloodsport was pretty bad. Now Van Damme's Kickboxer was a classic.
Batman vs Superman was disjointed and seemed just like a collection of scenes.
I really don't know what it is. It's not like the people involved aren't creative or competent (Snyder and Ayer both have really good strengths), they're just misusing all of their talents in basically every conceivable way.
Some of the stuff from the WW trailer looks pretty neat, but there seems to be just as much heavy cheese as there is cool looking scenes.
They know fans will pay to watch the movie, then pay again to see the "extended/director's cut" on rerelease. At this point, I'm not convinced they aren't doing this on purpose.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I did. People like their forgettable popcorn summer blockbusters to be funny, simple, and short. Marvel knows this and makes everything go through their Foxconn factory with yes man directors making the same film over and over again. You guys got your wish with SS being this funny, forgettable and simple action flick and Wonder Woman looking like a Captain America First Avenger ripoff but apparently DC films dont have that luxury of being simple and fun. Maybe we can get some of the critics to answer why 40%+ of them thought SS was rotten and Thor 2 and IM2 were fresh?
I said poor man's inception. Comparing a movie to one of the best Sci-Fi movies is one thing, comparing it unfavorably is another which is what I meant to do. Inception doesn't just rely on visuals. It tells a great story which is entirely missing from Doctor Strange which is as formulaic as it gets.
Dash_Riprock
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Stay losing, Warner Bros.
Yes, these are the best moments in these movies.
It's like the critics committed a war crime or something by having opinions.
autumnleaf
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You're throwing around the word great pretty loosely there. The knightmare scene? The Bruce/Clark meeting? The congress scene? Come on.
broncobuster
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The extended cut thing is interesting. BvS UC was planned well before release in part due to Warners wanting a cut up shorter movie to squeeze in additional show times. Then the UC released and was hugely successful. So I guess they decided to do it again with Suicide Squad, except it's not a directors cut, or unrated, or anything unique. A very standard extended release marketed as something more. Don't know how that sold to see if they'll continue to form a trend.
Eppy Thatcher
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So I just wanted to pop into the conversation real quick and say that while everyone is entitled to like whatever movies they like - when you argue for why BvS isn't as bad as people claim it is and then make over reaching comments like "No one saw it coming" and "Effortlessly sets up ..." or "awesome one shot nightmare.." kind of stuff you expose a little bit of your own blinders to the conversation.
There are multiple single scenes that aren't bad in the movie for sure. Snyder can at least frame and film a shot well. But almost every point you make as a positive has a negative shadow attached. No one saw something coming / because it doesn't make logical sense or isn't proprely setup in the film. Awesome one shot nightmare that you love others thought was a distracting and really served no purpose. so on and so forth. Not to mention that the inclusion of a lot of these scenes is to the detriment of the movie as a whole. Too many scenes were shoved in and shoehorned because they "looked good" or whatever. Very little logical flow. A lot of this is probably on the editors hands but still... it all adds up to some nonsensical shit that rightfully gets torn to shreds.
I get confused when people choose stuff like SS or BvS as their hills to die on. They just seem like such mediocre attempts compared to firing on all cylinder marvel movies. I don't believe any movie could possibly be as bad as Suicide Squad was but I absolutely worry that WW will look and sound and feel and flow very much like BvS did... and that's not a good thing.
Mostly I'm never going to get over them fucking up so many stories for the sake of a "big blockbuster Trinity movie" so fast... like what the fuck is doomsday doing in your 2nd superman outing? The fuck why is it Batman vs Superman for your FIRST showing of fucking batman in this universe?? Why in gods name does joker have Hahahaha tattooed on all over his godamned body nevermind i don't wanna have intelligent discourse on this anymore fuck these movies and their so stupid it hurts aesthetic jesus christ it's so bad....
/end rant ... sorry it's a slow day at work.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Two things at play here:
1. Expectations: People expect way more out of superhero movies now than they did when Iron Man 2 came out. People (especially movie critics) have become pretty jaded by comic book movies at this point. It takes a lot more to entertain people now than it did in 2010 or even 2013. By the same token, Batman 1989 got a 72% on rotten tomatoes and I promise you it would not even come near that if it came out in 2017.
2. You are acting like Rotten Tomatoes isn't a constantly changing body of critics. Not only have expectations changed, but the people actually reviewing the movie have changed. Looking at the top 5 top critics positive reviews on Thor, only one of them actually reviewed Suicide Squad. So it's not really fair to act like these are the same people who liked Thor 2. And it obviously gets worse the further you go back.
Bonus: This guy described Thor 2 as "The Crocodile Dundee II of superhero filmsin a good way!" which is a hilarious description of Thor 2.
BronsonLee
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What the hell
Slimysnake is doing a long form 'like what I like, don't like what I don't like or Ur stoopid'
Just...step back and realise it's okay to not dig BvS or SS while liking outer stuff. And that it's cool to dig em. When your options are 'it's a review conspiracy, and people are dumb' or 'I like something a good chunk of other people don't like' there is one, 1, uno answer if you want to be taken seriously. Can you not see that?
I'm not even gonna list all the largely non-witty blockbusters with a long running time are very well reviewed and received.
Just...like, I mean it, deep breath, disliking your faves and finding others acceptable isn't wrong or dumb. It simply is. No wonder people meme or insult you, it's the discourse you're setting.
Just...step back and realise it's okay to not dig BvS or SS while liking outer stuff. And that it's cool to dig em. When your options are 'it's a review conspiracy, and people are dumb' or 'I like something a good chunk of other people don't like' there is one, 1, uno answer if you want to be taken seriously. Can you not see that?
I'm not even gonna list all the largely non-witty blockbusters with a long running time are very well reviewed and received.
Just...like, I mean it, deep breath, disliking your faves and finding others acceptable isn't wrong or dumb. It simply is. No wonder people meme or insult you, it's the discourse you're setting.
SaniOYOYOY
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suicide squad was your last free pas dcu, now Im waiting review for this. good luck
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
oh what a load of crap. someone takes the time out to articulate why the have a certain opinion and you dismissing it like that is a shitty move. if you disagree with me saying that marvel movies havent become formulaic, then say so. if you disagree with me saying that BvS isn't an utter failure or an unwatchable mess than point out why. For example, do what the guys below did.
If RT's standards were improving than why is Doctor Strange at 89%? Does it not have the same problems as all other marvel movies? Bad villains? throwaway female leads? Like why was Rachel MacAdams even in the movie? But i guess being formulaic isnt deserving of a negative review?
There is a very special distinction in saying that BvS and SS are medicore movies with flaws vs they are outright bad movies which is what the scores suggest. I have written rants on the flaws of BvS (SS i dont care much about because it's just a fun movie to waste two hours on) so I am in agreement with nearly all of your concerns. What bothers me is when people just trash these movies like they are the worst movies they have ever seen. There was a thread earlier this month about X-Men apocalypse where someone thought that was the worst movie they had seen that year. People just need to watch more movies because if you look at the movies that end up in the 20s in rotten tomatoes you will see shit like Fifty shades of grey with the twilight movies and Daredevil in the 40s and 50s.
I have always conceded that BvS is fucking flawed. But it doesnt belong anywhere near those awful movies.
They should find a way to transform butthurt fanboy pain into clean energy and we would never run out of again.
All the threads about BvS alone could power North America.
Are there already pictures doing the same joke about DC film that folks made about Sonic games?
- Hope
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- Hope the next one (the next reboot) will make you complete
All the threads about BvS alone could power North America.
Are there already pictures doing the same joke about DC film that folks made about Sonic games?
- Hope
- Denial
- Despair
- Anger
- Admission (not available on the internet)
- Hope the next one (the next reboot) will make you complete
The problem with you is you're giving an opinion on why other people's opinions are wrong. At that point you should just stop and realize it ain't other people's opinions that are the problem.
gutter_trash
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what makes this GIF funnier is that he used to play for the Flyers ... LOL
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