Wonder Woman Is a Disjointed Disaster (Says DC Insider)
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Son, don't. Gaf doesn't understand Transformers Law.
To make more money? If Batman v Superman can't make a billion dollars while Captain America Civil War (starring what used to be B or C level characters) can WB has a problem.
It's not about making money, it's about making as much money as possible. I don't think you need cinematic masterpieces for that, see Transformers, but I'm sure they could improve on their current formula.
So ain't it cool news destroyed western civilization?
PhoncipleBone
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Masochist. Or just very, very curious.Surely you must like the movie on some degree if you're willing to watch an extended version of a bad movieOr just a masochist.
I still haven't worked up the nerve to subject myself to the extended BvS yet.
Surely you must like the movie on some degree if you're willing to watch an extended version of a bad movie
I believe it's just that they have only seen the extended version. Not the threatrical. Which makes sense when you see people say that is the good version. Then it's just difficult to imagine that there is a worse version of it I guess.
I actually don't recall which version of BvS I saw. It was on blu-ray from the rental shop but I didn't check which it was. It was very long and very bad though.
SomedayTheFire
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Surely you must like the movie on some degree if you're willing to watch an extended version of a bad movie
i never saw the theatrical version, so when I went to watch it at home I went for the extended one just because. I hated everything about it.
it's masochism
GravityInsanity
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Just cancel all the movies and put all your money into the video games where you're actually good at. At the end of all this I blame Zack Snyder for the 100th time.
I have seen the Extended Cut. It's a little better. The plot makes a little more sense, some of the characters are a little more developed.
It's still balls. Slightly less balls but balls nonetheless. Visually impressive but empty, like nearly every movie Snyder directs.
Also what the hell is that random Star Wars chatter?
A billion should have been the floor.
Ignatz Mouse
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A lot of people couldn't connect the dots with Luthor's plotting and the extended cut showed more of the details of that.
Personally, i find them to be about the same. But a lot of people like the extended cut since it makes better sense to them. It all made sense to be the first go-round.
I think it's an OK movie with massive pacing problems and a bad CGI villain (and I don't normally complain about CGI). I don't find it horrible.
StrawberryJam
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I have seen the Extended Cut. It's a little better. The plot makes a little more sense, some of the characters are a little more developed.
It's still balls. Slightly less balls but balls nonetheless. Visually impressive but empty, like nearly every movie Snyder directs.
Also what the hell is that random Star Wars chatter?
100% agree with you. A shit plot that makes a little more sense is still a shit plot. BvS extended ain't Kingdom of Heaven directors cut folks.
That theme is going to age so bad tho. Don't ask me why, i just know it.
Into the Light
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This seems to have been rebuked has anyone mentioned that?
I haven't heard anything but I only read GAF for this kind of news.
Alex_Mexico
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B tier at best. I'm a huge videogame nerd but before the movie Iron Man I honestly thought the character was a robot. Before the movie Thor I'd never heard about Thor the Marvel hero. Out of the characters in The Avengers I've only known about Captain America and Hulk before the MCU. I had deep knowledge about Xmen and Spiderman but those were outside of this universe.
It's crazy how Civil War filled with mostly unknown characters before 2008 could outperform Batman vs motherfucking Superman.
WB has a problem.
Those magical goal posts.
If JL hits a billion, are you moving them to '2 billion should be the floor'?
Deathyboy. you are full of shit.
You're gonna get butthurt because people think a movie featuring Batman and Superman, in a time when CBM are all the rage, should have broken a billion?
BronsonLee
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A billion really should've been the floor tbh
Yup. Batman and Superman in the same movie just make a billion dollars at the low end.
It was just a shit movie. Sure it was visually impressive, but it was still shit.
Come on dude, Batman vs Superman had two of the most recognizable and popular comic book characters of all time in the same movie. It should still be printing money, but it isn't because the movie was crap. All the money it made was based on the popularity of the characters, if the movie had been any good it would have had legendary legs.
Bobby Roberts
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It's already aged badly, honestly. In context of the rest of BvS's score, it works.
Every time they've tagged it to this movie's marketing, it's kinda jarring.
Infinite Stars
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Fact: within the last decade, two solo Batman films grossed over 1 Billion Each, despite lower ticket prices for The Dark Knight.
Fact: Over 60% of the Domestic revenue of BvS came from the first week according to Box Office Mojo, while The Dark Knight sits at below 50%. BvS had shitty, shitty domestic legs. What this indicates is that there was a bunch of hype for the film, only for it to sour once people saw the trainwreck it was.
Fact: Warner Brothers had two of the most popular superheroes on screen, but were unable to beat a solo film, with legs that indicated that the Pre-release hype was there, but the audience feedback was not.
I don't know how you can argue that BvS was not a disappointment Box-office wise, because it clearly was. Legs are important to a blockbuster not underperforming, and Batman V. Superman had nothing to cut the legs out from under it but still failed.
I think where I fail to grasp people is in how so many people here can't differentiate between the film they wanted to see and how much that could have made, and the film that was actually made. Because for a 'mess of a film' that got critically destroyed and laughed at online, 862 million isn't too bad a figure.
That's where the $1 billion floor comes from.
BronsonLee
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It doesn't really fit in the WWI deal I think
The review thread is sure going to be something.
C;mon son 3 of the most recognizable characters in popular culture in a movie for the first time in their almost century of a existence? they barely beat talking raccoon and tree
We agree on something, has the seventh seal broken?
Bobby Roberts
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There's that, and it's just...
Within the doomy gloomy angsty "badass" tone of BvS, having that driving guitar riff pop up brings a little bit of light to the proceedings and works very well in contrast to all the clanging bluster and dour piano plinking. It sets itself off.
When stood alone, by itself, with a movie that isn't at all occupying the same tone, or the same visual context, it seems cheezy. The film is being sold as having a unique identity, different from what came before (to what degree of difference is debatable, sure) and then the ads close and we're thrown back to BvS-land with the electric guitar wailing.
I dunno.
I think they should chuck it.
They should pull a Suicide Squad and use somebody's random Last.fm playlist
Should we take bets on which 21 Pilots song will be in Wonder Woman?
If I look at the rumored budget, are we sure they're not just going to use cover bands?
If Avengers 2.5 aka Civil War barely crawled above 1B with all that good will/hype/marketing/momentum, I'm starting to think 1B is rarely a lock. Even The Dark Knight barely climbed above it.
GabeTheGrouch76
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At this point is anyone really shocked? Even if it isn't true, the way the past DCEU films have been handled doesn't make this unbelievable.
As far as I'm concerned DCEU films could go full camp a la Batman '60s/Batman Forever/Batman & Robin and it would be an improvement over what we're getting now. :v
ayyyyy
Mentioning Supergirl is kinda funny because WB actually produced that movie, they sold the distribution rights to the Salkinds, the film's producers, over disagreements with the film's release date and Superman III's performance (which Salkinds also produced).
As far as I'm concerned DCEU films could go full camp a la Batman '60s/Batman Forever/Batman & Robin and it would be an improvement over what we're getting now. :v
ayyyyy
Female superheroes don't get it good.
Mentioning Supergirl is kinda funny because WB actually produced that movie, they sold the distribution rights to the Salkinds, the film's producers, over disagreements with the film's release date and Superman III's performance (which Salkinds also produced).
I hear the B Street band opened up.
Picture this, after the opening credits roll. They do a fly over of Paradise Island, showing a peaceful all women society. Set to Destiny's Child "Independent Woman".
hell the finale battle between Wonder Woman and Ares could be set to Survivor. Beyounce could do the whole soundtack.
Gordon Shumway
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lol..
Salty Rice
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They should just ignore BVS and Suicide Squad and pretend they never happened.
Do a Man of Steel 2 and The Batman set after Man of Steel.
Do a Man of Steel 2 and The Batman set after Man of Steel.
So they should make a Days of Future Past?
That doesn't sound confusing at all.
Captin Quacker
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Discotheque
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i wanted Zimmer to give Wonder Woman a do-over or give her more motifs to work with before he left but too bad. hopefully that new composer does something good with her music.
because the music behind the new batman and superman is incredible and all we got for wonder woman is this cornball electric guitar theme. i kinda like it but its not as grand as the shit we're hearing for the Batgod and Superman.
because the music behind the new batman and superman is incredible and all we got for wonder woman is this cornball electric guitar theme. i kinda like it but its not as grand as the shit we're hearing for the Batgod and Superman.
BronsonLee
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We agree on a lot of things you heathen
That's actually a really good point, she really does crank shit up when she pops in at the final battle
PhoncipleBone
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I Will Survive for a training montage. Think about it.
Discotheque
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hopefully the justice league movie has another workout montage like the one we saw in BvS.
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