Got my third legendary today, Acherus Drape. Better than the two I got, but I can't even use this because I already have a 875 cloak and could only replace my ring or neck with an 845 item (and those also have a socket in them). D:
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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004
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I meant to look at how Frost was doing vs Unholy now, as 1 of 2 characters I have is a UHDK.
The struggle I have with this is I'm Lvl 27 Unholy and I'd rather not redo all the AP, even at AK 11, but if Frost is pulling even or ahead... ugh.
So that would be close to now right? I'd be on.
Tips for people doing kara is pull slowly. The trash more dangerous than 80% of all the bosses, and people with high end gear will do the stupid " I got gear I cab take it" mentality and get punished for it. Other than that the bosses apart from the last one are pretty similar to their old versions and anyone that did them before can figure it out
Yes.
Teletraan1
Banned
So you are mad that one of the specs you can play is now more competitive with the other spec you can play? I love the option since I dislike the Unholy play style. Frost needed the buffs desperately, it has been a low tier spec since forever so being frustrated that a spec is finally getting love is weird to me. Pulling even is the definition of spec balancing. Also don't ever listen to Blizzard's rhetoric about how they are going balance anything and you will be happier.
No two specs will ever be truly even, one will always be ahead of the other. They have said that their idea of balanced is of a spec is within 5% of another. They buffed frost because it really was bottom of the barrel. Unholy was fine DPS and still does fine DPS, frost just got fixed.
Not sure if my guild did or not. After raiding through Wotlk and Cata, I took most of MoP and WoD off. I came back for raiding at Legion.
Trickster
Member
I have all my AP invested into Unholy, The only legendary I have are the unholy bracers. Changing main spec in Legion isn't exactly as easy as previous expansion (In WoD i played a mage and went from frost, to frost + arcane, to arcane + fire without any complaining, why would I?). If I could switch to frost with no issue, I would.
So I have nothing against frost being buffed into viability. My problem is that Unholy is getting completely ignored, for no discernible reason. And as mentioned it's frustrating since this is exactly the opposite of what blizzard said they were going to do, they specifically said they would not do this very thing because it would fuck over all the people playing the best spec for their class, which in my case was unholy.
Litterally not true, try looking at warcraftlogs.
I dunno about Frost as it was so far behind that I never even gave it a chance. I play Unholy well enough but even now I still find its AOE awkward and Death Coil as a runic power dump feels lame even with the buffs. I always thought I was playing the class wrong but then I'm sitting here doing perfectly good DPS, with lots of time spent on it, and it's still awkward. So I'm open to switching to Frost but I'd be setting myself really far back. AP isn't even the problem even though I'm already behind due to my split between Blood and Unholy.
I kept my loot spec Unholy in case of a legendary drop, and that's the legendary I have (although it's not the bracers). But most of my time is actually spent as Blood - I'm our first substitute as a raid tank and I always tank in mythic+ (which is where most of my gear comes from).
And then there's relics. Relics don't friggin drop and it certainly doesn't help that as a DK I'm incompatible with our 5 man comp relic-wise (Ret, Feral, BM, Mistweaver). I think some of those do use Frost as I've gotten some hand-me-downs but they might rarely be in the loot specs that have my relics (we have not seen an iron relic drop in dozens if not hundreds of mythic+, mine is probably from a WQ).
But yeah I'm not exactly going to die if I switch to Frost right now. We're not running mythic EN yet. But it comes down to whether I want to bet it all on the Unholy horse and hope I get the bracers, which would make me more than competitive (relative to my guild) for the foreseeable future. I also simply don't have the time to even mess around with Frost long enough to see if I like it enough to put all that catch-up effort in. Maybe more sources of gear from Kara and ToV will make it easier to catch up - but I pretty much need to make this choice soon or it'll get worse.
I expect next week will be the Teeming/Necrotic shitfest of mythic+ so we might take a little break from those after we get a decently high clear. Could do it then. Or maybe I'll buy Titanfall 2.
I kept my loot spec Unholy in case of a legendary drop, and that's the legendary I have (although it's not the bracers). But most of my time is actually spent as Blood - I'm our first substitute as a raid tank and I always tank in mythic+ (which is where most of my gear comes from).
And then there's relics. Relics don't friggin drop and it certainly doesn't help that as a DK I'm incompatible with our 5 man comp relic-wise (Ret, Feral, BM, Mistweaver). I think some of those do use Frost as I've gotten some hand-me-downs but they might rarely be in the loot specs that have my relics (we have not seen an iron relic drop in dozens if not hundreds of mythic+, mine is probably from a WQ).
But yeah I'm not exactly going to die if I switch to Frost right now. We're not running mythic EN yet. But it comes down to whether I want to bet it all on the Unholy horse and hope I get the bracers, which would make me more than competitive (relative to my guild) for the foreseeable future. I also simply don't have the time to even mess around with Frost long enough to see if I like it enough to put all that catch-up effort in. Maybe more sources of gear from Kara and ToV will make it easier to catch up - but I pretty much need to make this choice soon or it'll get worse.
I expect next week will be the Teeming/Necrotic shitfest of mythic+ so we might take a little break from those after we get a decently high clear. Could do it then. Or maybe I'll buy Titanfall 2.
It is something you get for beating H Xav before next raid tier...
[Ahead of the Curve: Xavius]
Perfect Cha0s
Member
Speaking of balance, what's the consensus on ret paladins at the moment? There was a certain air of "Oh, ret sucks" there for a while, but at 855 ilvl with an 871 Ashbringer, it feels like I'm punching far above what public perception of Ret is.
Rets were buffed a few patches ago and they are fine since then
edit: got my T7 head so dont have to do anymore Naxx (until the next class I want T7 I guess), no gloves from sarth tho. at least sarth takes like 10seconds to do
Unholy has never been at the bottom of warcraftlogs, maybe you should try looking at it. Look at heroic logs for the last week. Unholy sits in the middle of the pack. Frost is the one that is low. It does exactly what i said, fine dps. You're not going to be top damage as a DK, which is what it seems you want. Dk's are going to be middle of the pack at best and one will always have to be lower than the other
If we look at mythic it is split the opposite with frost over unholy but that is because yesterday every dk and their mother worth anything on mythic fights tried out frost, so it is skewing the data (1 more week of gear + new buffed spells + the very best of the best switching to frost to try it out). It's the same reason arcane is the top mage spec for a 1 week period on mythic
rets are fine, last night there was a bug with them but blizzard said they had a hotfix ready
Warlock balance issues are generally because one spec pulls way ahead of the others (much like Mages), while the others aren't that great. But generally speaking Warlocks are never excluded from high end raiding guilds.
Trickster
Member
Go look at warcraft logs and choose top 90% mythic for the last 2 weeks. Unholy is pretty much bottom 4-5 on almost all bosses. Change it to heroic and we are still around the middle or bottom half of dps specs.
The problem with this, is that it means that DK's best dps spec was at best, better than most of the shitty dps specs of other classes, but still bottom tier among the different classe's good specs, that people who cares about dps actually use for raiding.
how does it fuck you over if you weren't nerfed? it's not like you were an outlaw rogue where you went from #1 to #last, you were literally not touched. someone has to be in the bottom half of the chart. --=======???????????????
I just want QoL tweaks for my demo lock. Things like I think if a mob dies with curse of doom on it, you should get a shard. Would make the flow of dungeons and solo content so much better. And make the dreadstalker cast not require a target because it's so freaking annoying to have that fail because a mob died. And with a 45 second cool down its stupid that consumption isn't instant cast, it makes timing it much more annoying than it should be, especially with any movement at all. None of those things affect dps per se, but they would all improve the feel of playing the spec.
Lanrutcon
Member
Not so much this expansion, no.
Trickster
Member
I assume you mean buffed, but let me explain...DK's started off doing pretty good in the expansion. But, we scale like absolute shit, again, go look on warcraftlogs. At 850 ilvl, dks are competitive. However we drop off sharply as ilvl increase.
And the entire situation of UH DK's is fucking me over because we are in such a rotten situation, that if I hadn't gotten my 15% dps increase bis legendary, I would not be going for raids with my guild anymore, I'd be sitting benched on the sideline.
And yes, someone has to be in the bottom half, no kidding. That is not the problem. Uh dk's could be litterally the single worst dps spec in the game if the dps output was still reasonable close to the other dps specs. But this is not the case, the difference between good and bad dps specs in Legion are absolutely massive.
Sölf;221535411 said:
I want this thing desperately for one reason: the Necrotic debuff lasts 10 seconds, and this makes AMS last 10 seconds (AMS doesn't drop the debuff but it does make you immune). It would be incredibly helpful tanking mythic+ on necrotic week.
It was quite some time ago that I got my crazy simultaneous legendary drop. Here's hoping I break the system again.
As a frost DK: Fuck unholy. It's been in a position of superiority for the better part of 6 years because reasons. It hasn't even been fun until necroblight and the current iteration.
In your position you shouldn't switch unless you WANT to grind out the AP. Even with AK it's a long road, like, unholy isn't so far behind that just staying with it and pumping that same 1 million AP into that wouldn't be a stronger choice. Which is really all that it takes to not switch.
Oh, I believe this is a great tank legendary. The effect is really cool. It's just that I am a DPS. And after Sephuz and Prydaz, this is... still not that good. >_>
lol what happened??
We were there for like 5 or 6 hours (really), kept wasting time wiping because of mechanics or disconnects, wiping on Moroes then running all the way back a dozen times and then realize there was a shortcut bringing us there all along, wasting half an hour searching for a tank willing to join mid dungeon, etc
I'll remember this for a while. And only one loot with the wrong stats ! (but 880 so I'll use it anyway ;( )
But yeah it's better treated as a mini raid indeed, done in more than one sitting or at least with friends. Oh boy this will get ugly fast in pick up groups like mine.
I almost didn't want to read up on Karazhan because I kinda want to be surprised. Maybe Destiny players rubbed off on me a little (I actually got yelled at by my GAF group for having a strategy for one encounter...)
But as a tank I always feel like I have a duty to at least have some idea of what I'm doing. So I just read up on attumen and the 'final' boss, both sound pretty cool. I'll wing it for the rest.
But as a tank I always feel like I have a duty to at least have some idea of what I'm doing. So I just read up on attumen and the 'final' boss, both sound pretty cool. I'll wing it for the rest.
I almost never tank outside of my heroic which is lolfaceroll, and last night my guild group had me tank all 4 mythics for the attunement. I was reading the journal before every pull to get an idea of what was coming my way. Regardless, I'm a terrible tank and my healer probably needed a stiff drink after we got out of the last one.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
It's actually there, maybe covered up some by the belt at that angle. Look again.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Transferring servers, can't take the imbalance and lack of a solid casual guild that run mythics without all the drama.
I feel you. Tried to do the attunement quests outside Kara yesterday and we apparently are on a battlegroup with a huge Alliance server since there were 30 Alliance for every Horde player there. And my server is entirely Horde.
Blizz needs to let "world PVP" die already.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
It's not supposed to be a source of upgrades for people doing heroic raids.
we already knew the ilvl of the loot
Ya, it's just that it's really weird to have 865 ish people having issues in the second half is all.
That's one way to describe it.
man, compared to monk, Druid seems to have clear differences in raid vs 5 man talents. Going to do some mythics tonight for the first time and im thinking of running a rejuv build, especially with cultivation being buffed and mana issues of germination not being that severe in a 5 man environment,
Cenarion Ward for 5man for the extra strong tank hot instead of the usual Prosperity (I can even see a case for abundance if you are chucking out 2 rejuvs per player tbh, wasnt someone running abundance in high mythics here?).
If I drop (the now nerfed) Prosperity, I drop SotF for the (now buffed Cultivation) since its only natural.Germination instead of Spring Blossoms since you should be able to maintain 2 rejuvs on less people compared to a raid, both mana wise and GCD wise.
And even on the last tier im looking at Stonebark vs Flourish, Stonebark seems really good? Knocks the cooldown down to 1min on a already very strong dmg reduction and buffs HOTs for the duration? Seems like a very strong talent for a 5man where you know you will be healing a tank.
Cenarion Ward for 5man for the extra strong tank hot instead of the usual Prosperity (I can even see a case for abundance if you are chucking out 2 rejuvs per player tbh, wasnt someone running abundance in high mythics here?).
If I drop (the now nerfed) Prosperity, I drop SotF for the (now buffed Cultivation) since its only natural.Germination instead of Spring Blossoms since you should be able to maintain 2 rejuvs on less people compared to a raid, both mana wise and GCD wise.
And even on the last tier im looking at Stonebark vs Flourish, Stonebark seems really good? Knocks the cooldown down to 1min on a already very strong dmg reduction and buffs HOTs for the duration? Seems like a very strong talent for a 5man where you know you will be healing a tank.