I would hardly call what any group in 870-880 does to just brute force the fight "devising a strategy". Come on dude
We're mostly 860s, but the DH has the god-tier legendary ring, so point taken.
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We're mostly 860s, but the DH has the god-tier legendary ring, so point taken.
We're mostly 860s, but the DH has the god-tier legendary ring, so point taken.
Truth be told I wish we had tried the brute force tactic last night at least once, since we were just gonna wipe anyway.
The adds seemed to go down fast we just had issues with the healer eventually running out of mana, maybe if we had tried to brute force it with the tank popping every cooldown known to man we could have made it through phase 1 and then burn moroes. Oh well :/
If I'm being honest, we tried the brute force strat AFTER wiping trying to do it the proper way. Our healer eventually just got overwhelmed with all the garrote ticks + tank damage.
Seems brute forcing is the way to go!
I'm kind of annoyed brute forcing Moroes is as viable as it is, I was hoping for a dmg reduction/dmg buff based on proximity like the 2nd boss in CoS. Moroes is near iconic in terms of Kara bosses, and I would prefer that the feeling of his fight be more preserved. Plus, I think the more fights that are doable with the "tank runs in and tanks everything, everyone AoEs" strategy, the worse off the game is just because it teaches bad habits.
As a random aside, I know a couple of pages back I was defending the ability to freely PvP on PvP servers, but I do think blizzard didn't fully understand the interactions of a few things that really mess with the experience. The combination of there not really being faction specific quest hubs (which honestly feels a little lazy) along side the "do the zones in any order" plus world quests being a huge thing makes levelling an alt on a PvP server a fairly annoying task. It was much less of a problem in the past, since if you were in the horde quest hub area, you would only encounter that one asshole who wanted to gank and had to go out of his way to do it, or at least if you were in the lv 80-82 zone you would rarely see anyone out of that range. But now it is super common to see a lv 108 from the other faction questing where you are at 101, and he also will be following you from area to area because the quests are not faction specific. All ends up fine at 110, but certainly 100-105ish on a PvP server are a little annoying. I don't advocate any changes, but I also think blizzard either didn't care, or didn't think this through. Could've been solved easily with just a bit more phasing I think, where you could opt in to earlier phases somehow if you specifically wanted to gank. It is the opportunistic gankers that are the most annoying in the end.
P.S. I find the "pick whatever zone you want to level" idea to be almost fully worthless in the end. You basically need to do all of them to get 110 anyway, so I don't feel like anything was gained by allowing you to choose the order, aside from letting you get killed by higher level people more often.
As a random aside, I know a couple of pages back I was defending the ability to freely PvP on PvP servers, but I do think blizzard didn't fully understand the interactions of a few things that really mess with the experience. The combination of there not really being faction specific quest hubs (which honestly feels a little lazy) along side the "do the zones in any order" plus world quests being a huge thing makes levelling an alt on a PvP server a fairly annoying task. It was much less of a problem in the past, since if you were in the horde quest hub area, you would only encounter that one asshole who wanted to gank and had to go out of his way to do it, or at least if you were in the lv 80-82 zone you would rarely see anyone out of that range. But now it is super common to see a lv 108 from the other faction questing where you are at 101, and he also will be following you from area to area because the quests are not faction specific. All ends up fine at 110, but certainly 100-105ish on a PvP server are a little annoying. I don't advocate any changes, but I also think blizzard either didn't care, or didn't think this through. Could've been solved easily with just a bit more phasing I think, where you could opt in to earlier phases somehow if you specifically wanted to gank. It is the opportunistic gankers that are the most annoying in the end.
P.S. I find the "pick whatever zone you want to level" idea to be almost fully worthless in the end. You basically need to do all of them to get 110 anyway, so I don't feel like anything was gained by allowing you to choose the order, aside from letting you get killed by higher level people more often.
Orochinagis
Member
Another week missing the mist skin for my monk, I thought it was a quaranted drop from N Dragons
Wait is brute forcing all the adds the standard moroes strat? Now im pissed we didnt even try, we even have a fire mage with their silly burst aoe dmg, and im a ww monk...with stupid burst aoe dmg (fists+art skill+spinny kick thingie).
Shit.
Shit.
Don't think so as the Guardian druid skin isn't.
Orochinagis
Member
three weeks doing LFR and N ,no skin , sadly my alt monk is having more fun on raid than my main who still havent raided a damm thing cuz no one wants an extra mage anymore
Hah, I've done N Ursoc since it was released, H Ursoc since a week after it was released, and LFR Ursoc since it was released, doing H first then N then LFR weekly (just in case, because no clear info on how loot locks work for hidden appearances) and still no Guardian druid hidden appearance. Getting a little tired of Stone Bear honestly.
Aquavelvaman
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Can skins drop from LFR? I haven't done LFR even once this expac, but I do want that bear skin.
NumberThree
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Nature's Call is still awful. The buff amounts are very low for the uptime compared to other trinkets, and of course the procs aren't optimal since you can get crit.
Six-Feather Fan is the best trinket for Enhancement, but those are super expensive on the AH. Spontaneous Appendages + Bloodthirsty Instinct is a great combo from Emerald Nightmare.
Here's a bunch of trinkets compared. The exact order may differ a bit on your current gear (mainly mastery) and certain trinkets combine well together (like Appendages benefits a lot from haste, so BTI goes well with it).
Just finished Kara (no Nightbane yet though) - that last fight is pretty hectic.
Faster leveling I guess, although it won't really matter too much - you're going to replace all your gear immediately upon hitting 110.
Faster leveling I guess, although it won't really matter too much - you're going to replace all your gear immediately upon hitting 110.
My experiment with Elemental in 7.1 is over. I wasn't able to complete Withered Training, died in the room off to the right that you open near the beginning. That's enough to tell me that I don't want to play it. It didn't seem bad in dungeons, especially if I was the only ranged, but it just didn't perform the same way.
Spontaneous Appendages, Six-Feather Fan, and Bloodthirsty Instinct were the best before 7.1. Doesn't seem like that has changed. Nature's Call was really terrible before, and it would've needed more than a small buff to be worth using.
Spontaneous Appendages, Six-Feather Fan, and Bloodthirsty Instinct were the best before 7.1. Doesn't seem like that has changed. Nature's Call was really terrible before, and it would've needed more than a small buff to be worth using.
Robin64
Member
What the hell. Look how many stages at Blizzcon aren't streaming. Crappy eSports stuff? Got you covered! Actual interesting panels? Nah mate.
Virtual Ticket getting less appealing each year.
Virtual Ticket getting less appealing each year.
Thanks for the replies.
I have 855 alchemy trinket(950 vers and procs agil), basic 850 agil/mastery trinket, and natures call. Looks like I should just stick with the first two and forget natures call.
Infinitemadness
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Can I get a link to the GAF discord channel too?
Alliance Outlaw Rogue. Looking mainly for mythic bros. Maybe we can do a sunday EN run or something for your alts (I'll be on my main). It just baffles me GAF doesn't have groups that play together more often.
Alliance Outlaw Rogue. Looking mainly for mythic bros. Maybe we can do a sunday EN run or something for your alts (I'll be on my main). It just baffles me GAF doesn't have groups that play together more often.
Lanrutcon
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Hit up WoWHead for coords. For some weird reason, some of the orphan spawn spots are NOT near the Matriarch. So you gotta pop her, then rush to some other location to get your orphan. The Highmountain one is like that, for example.
Storm too. I spent 1 hour there killing Mothers until I decided to check wowhead and found the coords for the orphaned to be quite far from the Mother.
Yeah, I did and it wasn't there. It happened to me with the highmountain one too but it popped up after the second kill.
Acidote
Member
Ilgynoth and Ursoc's trinkets. Since 7.1 you can loot Nythendra's from a coin, as it was marked as a caster trinket before. It is great too.
The Fan if you can afford it.
Yeah, fuck the legendary system in the ear.
Got my first one today, as a tank spec. It's the utterly worthless necklace that is not only useless for tanks - I can't even use it for the stats because it is itemised so badly. So it gets to sit in the bank and do nothing. Woot.
Got my first one today, as a tank spec. It's the utterly worthless necklace that is not only useless for tanks - I can't even use it for the stats because it is itemised so badly. So it gets to sit in the bank and do nothing. Woot.
Haha. RNG is gonna RNG.
My main still has no legendary even though he's sitting at probably around 6 days played at 110 with a bunch of mythic+ clears every week (highest at 6 or 7 so nothing special but still) and haven't missed emissary quest turn-ins once that I know of even though I sometimes wait for 2 or 3 to be up and then blast through them all.
I've avoided doing the emissary quests on my alts becayse I didn't want the "bad luck protection" if it even exists to kick in on them... silly but still.
Been slowly leveing up a new alt, enchancement shaman and dinged 110 after midnight. Now during lunch break I thought I might as well do the world boss to have a chance to boost my ilvl from ~790 closer to at least 810 for some random heroics. I go buy a seal and fly to highmountain. Kill the boss and booom, legendary chest and warforged bracers on the extra roll after not getting anything on my main from world bosses with extra rolls since the get go.
I don't know if I wanna laugh or cry but been laughing for a couple of minutes so thought I might as well share
My main still has no legendary even though he's sitting at probably around 6 days played at 110 with a bunch of mythic+ clears every week (highest at 6 or 7 so nothing special but still) and haven't missed emissary quest turn-ins once that I know of even though I sometimes wait for 2 or 3 to be up and then blast through them all.
I've avoided doing the emissary quests on my alts becayse I didn't want the "bad luck protection" if it even exists to kick in on them... silly but still.
Been slowly leveing up a new alt, enchancement shaman and dinged 110 after midnight. Now during lunch break I thought I might as well do the world boss to have a chance to boost my ilvl from ~790 closer to at least 810 for some random heroics. I go buy a seal and fly to highmountain. Kill the boss and booom, legendary chest and warforged bracers on the extra roll after not getting anything on my main from world bosses with extra rolls since the get go.
I don't know if I wanna laugh or cry but been laughing for a couple of minutes so thought I might as well share
I think it's kinda nice when you get something (supposedly) cool you weren't even out looking for. I was chilling doing a WQ when this dropped off one of the mobs:
I didn't even know it could drop from them.
Edit: Oh, wow, learning it put it right on and gave me an achy too, nice!
I didn't even know it could drop from them.
Edit: Oh, wow, learning it put it right on and gave me an achy too, nice!
I still miss the old BE faces. New one makes me look so angry.
I think almost all of the folks who only log in to either do the raid or bitch about not having a legendary found one this week. Meanwhile we have a guy in our mythic+ group who got two very early on (before the bug was fixed). He hasn't found one since the first week of regular mythics and we run mythic+ nonstop nearly every night. I kinda wish they'd just tell us how the pity timer works.
Anyways, we ran through Karazhan with our usual crew. We definitely outgear parts of it (865-875 group) and just went in blind on most fights - I think we only had trouble on Maiden due to misunderstanding some mechanics. One shotted the final boss which I thought would take us a while, it was the only one I'd read up on. I guess that knowledge kept us alive because I just kited all the felguards in the last phase - necrotic week has made me a master of that.
Overall the second half is much better than the first. But it was kinda fun exploring a sprawling dungeon full of mobs again. Like original Karazhan though I feel like that fun will fade quickly so I'll be looking up how to optimally speedrun the first section very soon.
Found some neat stuff in there, at least. Got an 875 titanforged tank ring with an effect that reduces damage by 10% for 4 seconds the first time I damage any mob - could be very useful on AOE pulls once I find another legendary (I have two rings). I also bonus rolled the Eye of Command (strength dps) trinket off the end boss, which is why I used the bonus roll so I'm happy. There's no way that isn't by far the best trinket for Unholy on single target fights.
As for Nightbane - is it possible to try the timer again after failing/clearing the instance? If so we still might not try to summon him this week because these mythic+ affixes are so incredibly easy. But if next week is teeming/necrotic then we're probably not even going to bother getting a keystone above 7 or 8.
Anyways, we ran through Karazhan with our usual crew. We definitely outgear parts of it (865-875 group) and just went in blind on most fights - I think we only had trouble on Maiden due to misunderstanding some mechanics. One shotted the final boss which I thought would take us a while, it was the only one I'd read up on. I guess that knowledge kept us alive because I just kited all the felguards in the last phase - necrotic week has made me a master of that.
Overall the second half is much better than the first. But it was kinda fun exploring a sprawling dungeon full of mobs again. Like original Karazhan though I feel like that fun will fade quickly so I'll be looking up how to optimally speedrun the first section very soon.
Found some neat stuff in there, at least. Got an 875 titanforged tank ring with an effect that reduces damage by 10% for 4 seconds the first time I damage any mob - could be very useful on AOE pulls once I find another legendary (I have two rings). I also bonus rolled the Eye of Command (strength dps) trinket off the end boss, which is why I used the bonus roll so I'm happy. There's no way that isn't by far the best trinket for Unholy on single target fights.
As for Nightbane - is it possible to try the timer again after failing/clearing the instance? If so we still might not try to summon him this week because these mythic+ affixes are so incredibly easy. But if next week is teeming/necrotic then we're probably not even going to bother getting a keystone above 7 or 8.
RNG, just gotta keep on skinning.
cartographer
Member
Is it safe to use glyphs again? I lost all of them with the patch on some characters, and I'd rather not use some of the expensive ones if they are still bugged.
so that's why I lost glyph of foul menagerie. Thank god I didn't lose glyph of wraith walker because that shits expensive (and absolutely necessary - you can't jump in WW without it).
so can those chest rewards warforge/titanforge beyond the +15 they come with normally? I've never gotten one more than +15, and my 880 was from doing a level 10 keystone.
Orochinagis
Member
Healer monks have two shitty melee legendaries so i am sure i wll get one of those if i get any
huh. I would've liked to watch the Overwatch voice actors thing.
If any of you play Frost Dk, WW Monk or Destro I suggest you play some PvP arena and get those high ranks right now.
what's a good combination with Frost DK? I might be able to convince a friend or two to screw around in there. My Frost artifact is months behind but that won't matter in PVP.
I think I have a mission board quest to do something in arena. Considering all other PVP quests have awarded such incredible rewards as 805 trinkets and 140 order resources, surely I'll be rushing to get that done.
Now that I think about it I don't even know what stats you want as Frost. My gear's all crit/haste. PVP has fixed stats so that wouldn't matter either.