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Wunder

Member
I expect/hope big changes to the Enhancement talent tree. There's two utility rows with some room for personal choice and one DPS row with some wiggle room (Frostbrand vs. Ancestral Swiftness), but the four other rows are pretty much set in stone.

Boulderfist should be baseline at least, Rockbiter is just dumb.

I'm not expecting all that much honestly, even though enh is one of the most static talent specs in the game right now. I would say Tempest becoming baseline and buffs to Hot Hand/Windsong are possible.
 

v1perz53

Member
Any wild guesses to what "talents that everyone uses will be baked in to the spec" will be?

I cant think of any resto druid one tbh because as we have discussed before they have such different choices for raids and 5man, but for WW Monk for example I could see them bake in Hit Combo, it really feels like it should be standard.

I can't imagine they won't bake Galactic Guardian in for Bear druids, the spec is so much more boring without it, and it remains the strongest option as well both offensively and defensively in most cases. But really, it just completes the rotation and gives some reactivity to work with. But I've been wrong before...
 

Renekton

Member
I don't think Blizzard will bake for Resto or Guardian. There was a recent log analysis which showed surprising talent variation among players for those two specs. Even Galactic Guardians was not a default choice.
 
Circle of Healing needs to be made baseline as Apotheosis is just too valuable to take anything but that and the spec sorely needs mobility.

Prayer of Mending needs to go back to instant cast too.
 

Son1x

Member
Its been mentioned several times already, but what the fuck is seriously up with the loading times.
Been over a minute now and the bar is at 4/5 or so. Its so bad I try to avoid Dalaran and Garrison HS because those sometimes don't load completely.
 

Ark

Member
Its been mentioned several times already, but what the fuck is seriously up with the loading times.
Been over a minute now and the bar is at 4/5 or so. Its so bad I try to avoid Dalaran and Garrison HS because those sometimes don't load completely.

I haven't had any issues at all with it. Have you tried turning off in-game streaming?
 

Teletraan1

Banned
You got the best Rogue legendary. Grats!

Thanks. Yeah the effect is really nice. Even at low ilvl I can totally see the difference. I have a lot of energy pooled when I am done shadowstriking. I have a lot of fun on that character even before the legendary, it is just kinda disappointing to be locked behind a slow AP grind atm. Especially when both my other characters are so much further ahead. I think I get AK lvl 3 today where I got 11 the other day on my main after starting the xpac late. Some of those traits for sub seemed kinda dumb but once you have zero fall damage how you navigate the world is much much different. I have probably died more from fall damage on some of my characters than anything else.
 

Lain

Member
Its been mentioned several times already, but what the fuck is seriously up with the loading times.
Been over a minute now and the bar is at 4/5 or so. Its so bad I try to avoid Dalaran and Garrison HS because those sometimes don't load completely.

Garrison HS for me is always a soft crash after 7.1. I have no idea what Blizzard did but they fucked something up royally. The problem with long load times and loading not finishing has been reported but nothing has come of it so far apart from the usual, useless delete your cache directory.
 

Mupod

Member
Sölf;224012325 said:
Finished Mythic+8 for the first time this week. And then missed the +9 stone in time by 37 seconds. God damnit that fucking gauntlet in Black Rook Hold. D:

But boy, Sanguine + Overflowing may as well not exist at all. Easy EU week.

Looking forward to that combo next week. I've been saying for a long time that sanguine/overflowing would be a non issue for my group in particular, as our mistweaver has no problems with overflowing and I can grip things out of sanguine.

We +2'd a 9 Neltharion's last night and it turned into an 11 Nelth's. A bit concerned about super-powerful scorpions or breakers but I think we can pull it off under the timer with some careful CC.

Any wild guesses to what "talents that everyone uses will be baked in to the spec" will be?

I cant think of any resto druid one tbh because as we have discussed before they have such different choices for raids and 5man, but for WW Monk for example I could see them bake in Hit Combo, it really feels like it should be standard.

Ossuary and Foul Bulwark for Blood DK have an interaction between them that makes Death Strike a lot stronger overall. It makes the other talent choices in those tiers difficult to justify even if you're in a situation where they should be better.

The first tier talent that increases RP generation from heart strike is another similar no-brainer that also synergizes with those. The other two are so shit (blood worms and blood drinker) that I don't think anybody uses them ever.

Castigator for Unholy is the only thing keeping the spec even close to competitive and literally everybody uses it and builds around it. I'd be shocked if it of all talents doesn't get made baseline.

I don't know Frost well enough to guess what they could do.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I am praying Warlocks get Demonic Circle back baseline. I dont get why they took that one away

I'll be really surprised if they don't get something baseline, and yeah that's probably the most likely option.
 

CaptainHans

Neo Member
Any wild guesses to what "talents that everyone uses will be baked in to the spec" will be?

I cant think of any resto druid one tbh because as we have discussed before they have such different choices for raids and 5man, but for WW Monk for example I could see them bake in Hit Combo, it really feels like it should be standard.

Holy priest should end up with Surge of Light baked in. Others might be argued but really that talent is the only one anyone uses at that tier. Binding Heal is not worth the mana and really surge is just that good, getting the free Flash Heal procs from just doing anything is worth it. I would love for them to bake that in and give me real choice at that tier.
 

Savitar

Member
Its been mentioned several times already, but what the fuck is seriously up with the loading times.
Been over a minute now and the bar is at 4/5 or so. Its so bad I try to avoid Dalaran and Garrison HS because those sometimes don't load completely.

It's a common issue since patch 7.1 some people don't get it but others like you and me get it bad. Basically most of the time I got to start, begin to load, then ctrl+alt+delete to turn off the game, and then restart which finally finishes the loading.

There is a thread on the forums about it, a lot of people complaining about it. No real fix yet.

Seems to be mostly Broken Isle/Dalaran, pretty sure everywhere else is fine.
 

erawsd

Member
I expect/hope big changes to the Enhancement talent tree. There's two utility rows with some room for personal choice and one DPS row with some wiggle room (Frostbrand vs. Ancestral Swiftness), but the four other rows are pretty much set in stone.

Boulderfist should be baseline at least, Rockbiter is just dumb.

Yeah, I'm hoping for some major changes as well since the Enhancement tree is a mess. My personal wishlist of "easy" fixes:

t15 - Boulderfist baseline. Maybe replace with Lightning Shield.
t30 - Feral Lunge baseline, replaced with group utility talent. Big rainfall buff.
t45 - New talent to replace voodoo.
t60 - New talent to replace LS.
t75- Buffs to OC+Emp SL.
t90 - Big buffs to FoA+Sundering, get rid of the stupid knock away.
t100 - Big buff to Asc + rethink ES entirely.

Outside of talents, something should be done so that LL is strong enough to displace CrL in single target. Also, itd be nice if Doom Vortex wasnt a joke of a gold trait.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Boulderfist explicitly exists as a playstyle alternative (short CD instead of Rockbiter spam), not just a power boost, so it's very unlikely to be made baseline. Even if it's the default talent choice by 99% of players, and not just because of its strength. I don't think I've literally ever heard of anyone preferring the rockbiter playstyle to BF.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
#NeedThePrune
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Lanrutcon

Member
I am praying Warlocks get Demonic Circle back baseline. I dont get why they took that one away

That tier actually offers competitive choices. I'd much rather they give us a talent or two from tiers that realistically only offer one choice. Or give us our goddamn aoe talents so we don't have to swap specs all the time.
 

Khezu

Member
Hunter things that should go baseline for either for all specs, or just for one spec to get it out of the talent tree.

Camo
Throwing axes
Trailblazer(actually give us back old cheetah and make the new one a new move)
Improved Traps
Expert trapper(even though not taking anything at all is better then the other abilities in this tier)
Chinera Shot(and buffed enough so its useful for single target just to pad the rotation)
Volley(also maybe changed back to what it was originally)
Possible MoC or at least moved to a different tier
Stampede
Lone Wolf
Black Arrow
Patient Sniper(which seems to already be happening)
Sidewinders should be removed from the game.

That seems like way more then what will realistically happen, but it's what I would like.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Honestly if you gave MM and BM all that then there would be zero reason to ever bring Survival.

I'm already firmly against them getting traps back unless Survival gets a massive buff. The amount of MM hunters in the game isn't something Blizzard should ignore compared to the other two specs
 
Boulderfist explicitly exists as a playstyle alternative (short CD instead of Rockbiter spam), not just a power boost, so it's very unlikely to be made baseline. Even if it's the default talent choice by 99% of players, and not just because of its strength. I don't think I've literally ever heard of anyone preferring the rockbiter playstyle to BF.

Isn't that a great reason to make it baseline? No one wants Rockbiter, it's bad design (for Enhancement).

I don't think they even need a talent to remove the CD if they make Boulderfist baseline, because no one will miss it.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Isn't that a great reason to make it baseline? No one wants Rockbiter, it's bad design (for Enhancement).

I don't think they even need a talent to remove the CD if they make Boulderfist baseline, because no one will miss it.

I don't disagree at all, I would just be surprised to see it happen. I really can't imagine how you even play enhance with rockbiter once you hit even a slightly decent level of haste/mastery.
 

Khezu

Member
They need to make Survival enticing on it's own merits, taking away traps and giving it to only survival just pisses off Hunters even more.

They also needed to make it so old Survivals gameplay style was reproduceable through the marks tree. A lot of people played old Survival because of it's gameplay style, and MM is very different(and crap/unfun).

The core abilities are even in the MM tree, they were just gutted or completely fucked in the case of ES. Now I know Blizzard is completely fucking inept at balancing fucking anything, so making two different playstyles viable in one tree would be take a herculean effort from them, but it's what they needed to do.

As much as I enjoy the new Survival I completely understand why some(most) Hunters are pissed.

Melee Hunter is in a decent place, but it does need buffs and changes.
It needs to have better DPS overall, and significantly better traps then the ones given to the other trees.
It needs to bring it's own unique utility, something that's good enough to warrant bring Melee Hunters, maybe in the form of new traps, or raid buffs or something.

However, you are probably right, Blizzard is so fucking garbage, it's probably better to take things away from MM/BM to make Survival work.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Are they ever going to add some new timewalking dungeons? I know they're doing MOP Timewalking but like... why no Forge of Souls TW?
 

Twookie

Member
it seems there's an exploit or something that allows you to petrify the opposing faction in BGs

this eye of the storm lasted a min tops, since horde capped all bases at the start and then delivered flag

gg blizz
 

erawsd

Member
I don't disagree at all, I would just be surprised to see it happen. I really can't imagine how you even play enhance with rockbiter once you hit even a slightly decent level of haste/mastery.

Yeah, it already feels like the spec is being designed around BF. And, as you said, pretty much everyone is taking it and prefers the playstyle... which means no one will miss RB. There is probably not a more perfect "this should be baseline" talent.
 

Magnus

Member
Eager to see what they do for Shadow Priests. Would love Surrender to be a baseline option and a new AOE-oriented talent in its place, with the other two talents buffed as needed. Mind Spike feels terrible, needs replacing.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
I doubt thye'd make Surrender baseline. There's a decent amount of Shadow Priests that don't like using it.


The only way I could see it being more accepted is if you were able to essentially reincarnate yourself out of combat because good luck getting a pug to rez you.
 

M.D

Member
I wish they'd make Ghostly Strike a self-buff instead of you applying a debuff to a target. I think it makes sense as well considering how Blade Flurry works with you being the source of the cleave.

Also, change Between the Eyes to always crit on targets which are immune to CC.
 

Sarcasm

Member
Two of my friends, who are roommates, got hit in that banwave. They don't bot =/

They don't even want to try for an appeal now.



Adibags. If you don't like inventory management it is pretty awesome.

If you want something with control (not dissing and last I used adibags wasn't this configurable) try Ark Inventory.
 

Tarazet

Member
I doubt thye'd make Surrender baseline. There's a decent amount of Shadow Priests that don't like using it.


The only way I could see it being more accepted is if you were able to essentially reincarnate yourself out of combat because good luck getting a pug to rez you.

If you're going to do that, why bother with the talent at all? Just make it give you res sickness for 2 minutes after it expires.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Question about the class changes in 7.1.5 was answered without a single specific example of a change being made. Siiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
All existing legendary items are getting a 15 ilvl boost on Tuesday, if I heard correctly.

edit: I was first. Those two posts above me are figments of your imagination.
 

Strimei

Member
Argus will be a "standard package" of content (outdoor zone, raid, etc). Also its the capstone story of the expansion, and "we need more than a temporary peace this time."

This should be interesting.
 
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