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Wow, Bonds is killing himself in this presser. Who's the idiot PR guy?
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- He doesn't believe 'roids help you in baseball
- Would like to move forward
- Folks are on his ass cos he's black
- There should be no asterisks
- Doesn't know what cheating is
- Why is no one worrying about cigarettes and alcohol which kill more folks than steroids
- Many other incriminating comments
He might as well come clean or just not talk cos he looked REALLY bad :lol
- Would like to move forward
- Folks are on his ass cos he's black
- There should be no asterisks
- Doesn't know what cheating is
- Why is no one worrying about cigarettes and alcohol which kill more folks than steroids
- Many other incriminating comments
He might as well come clean or just not talk cos he looked REALLY bad :lol
He got real pissed during the press conference, started calling the media all "liars! YOU'RE ALL LIARS!"
Like a scene outta a movie. Goddamn you Barry Bonds, how I hate you so.
"I don't go walking into a bank and start going into the offices! This is the only job that has you guys questioning us while we do business! If you don't have anything in your closet, then you're free to ask what's in others."
Something to that extent. I thought the media's allowed to expose the bad apples in society. In this case, the cheaters in sports. Fuck off Barry.
Like a scene outta a movie. Goddamn you Barry Bonds, how I hate you so.
"I don't go walking into a bank and start going into the offices! This is the only job that has you guys questioning us while we do business! If you don't have anything in your closet, then you're free to ask what's in others."
Something to that extent. I thought the media's allowed to expose the bad apples in society. In this case, the cheaters in sports. Fuck off Barry.
Jade Knight 08
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Boo, i thought you guys was talking about James Bond!
Alex Anderson
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Thanks for the heads-up.
lilraylewis
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Yeah, be sure to catch the 8:30 airing if you missed it the first time around, but Cloudy's summary pretty much covered it. I don't think anyone can watch the press conference and come away thinking Barroid is anything but an ignorant, arrogant asshole. The guy's in total denile: "I don't know what cheating is"...pffft, what an oblivious asshole!
speshylives
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On ESPN.com right now is a shot of his friggin noggin. Tell me a head that size doesn't make it harder on the pitcher throwing the ball at Barry, who probably stands on the mound fearing that Barry's reading his most inner thoughts due to the extra seventeen lobes of the brain that are stuffed in that skull.
Ninja Scooter
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Barry has always been a self absorbed asshole. The steroids just gave everyone something tangible to hate him over. Fuck him. I hope that when he breaks the HR record, nobody is there to cheer for him, the MLB doesn't put on any festivities, and the crowed boos his ass mercilessly. Hank Aaron will always be the homerun champ, no matter what that Mr. Met looking motherfucker does.
lilraylewis
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YES! If there is a God, Barry will break the record in a road game and be booed unmercifully. It's all the same to him anyway--that giant-headed asshole said he loves the boos, as they only serve to confirm his greatness.Ninja Scooter said:
FrenchMovieTheme
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you ladies are being too hard on barry. lets all come together as fans of san francisco teams and support barry bonds in all his home run breaking, steroid-using ways
p.s. jason giambi is 23423423 times the dickweed that bonds is. bitch calls a press conference to apologize FOR SOMETHING HE CAN'T TALK ABOUT!? are you fucking kidding me? that scumbag should be banned from life
p.s. jason giambi is 23423423 times the dickweed that bonds is. bitch calls a press conference to apologize FOR SOMETHING HE CAN'T TALK ABOUT!? are you fucking kidding me? that scumbag should be banned from life
The Faceless Master
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if everyone's using roids, then why is only barry so good?
FrenchMovieTheme
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cause he puts that steroid cream straight on his balls. thats a mans world boy!
Ninja Scooter
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swoon said:
steroids can help you turn flyball outs into homeruns. that certianly helps his average. I forget the exact statistic, but someone calculated that Barroid has hit more HRs over 450 feet in the last 3 years than he did previously in his ENTIRE CAREER.
and if steroids didn't help guys play better, so many fucking players wouldn't take them.
The Faceless Master said:
He was always better then everyone else...guess his patience and incredible eye only serves to make him that much better on the juice.
I've always said I didn't care what Bonds did, cause he's hardly the only one that did it. And as a former FBI agent said last week, the players were hardly the only ones that knew about it. The entire league oughta get reamed for this, but Bonds has made it too easy for an already willing media to focus more of the roid heat on himself.
Having said all that, his ranting was some of the funniest shit I've seen in weeks. :lol
Shinobi said:
Are you kidding? The guy was good before, but he only turned into a perennial MVP when he started juicing + wearing body armor and crowding the plate like a mofo. You can't intimidate him because of all the protection (plus it's practically an instant ejection to throw inside these days) and the juice certainly helps his bat speed in fending off the inside heat. The guy has probably the smallest plate coverage in MLB because of how his stance puts him. Look at his numbers - nobody gets that much better at the end of their career. I'm sorry, people claiming that steroids haven't helped him hit better are just in denial.
brooklyngooner
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Nerevar said:
I always find myself wondering where he'd be if he had to face pitchers from earlier eras who would NEVER have stood for crowding the plate like that -- Gibson, Drysdale, etc. Oh wait I know where -- on his ass, where he belongs.
They had a story about this on NPR's "Morning Edition" this morning. What a moron!!! :lol :lol
In the story they mention how he said they were lying, and someone asked him what they were lying about, and then his publicist or someone said, "The publicist knows." :lol :lol
The NPR guy then went on to ask if they were lying about his undeniable body growth, his testimony, etc., basically undeniable facts.
The man is an ignorant twat - Bonds, not the reporter.
In the story they mention how he said they were lying, and someone asked him what they were lying about, and then his publicist or someone said, "The publicist knows." :lol :lol
The NPR guy then went on to ask if they were lying about his undeniable body growth, his testimony, etc., basically undeniable facts.
The man is an ignorant twat - Bonds, not the reporter.
CajoleJuice
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Perfectly said. I'd just like to add a little something referring to his increased bat speed. Not only does it let him fend off inside heat, the added bat speed helps him to wait back a split second longer, allowing him to get an even better look at the pitch. Consequently, he's unstoppable.Nerevar said:
It's not about home runs or batting average. Bonds has been devastating because his OPS has been off the charts. (OPS = on-base average + slugging percentage.) When he hits the ball, it tends to go for extra bases. However, the thing which kills teams is the amount of walks he piles up. Every walk is a guaranteed 1.000 in the OPS column. Furthermore, when a pitcher is trying to be careful with a hitter and falls behind in the count, the hitter will see better pitches to hit...and in Bonds' case, pitches to hit tend to be damaging.swoon said:
The best players in the league in recent years tend to post a season OPS in the 1.000-1.100 range. In 2000, Barry Bonds was in the top 10 players in terms of OPS, and his actual score was pretty much on par with the other elite players. Since 2001, however, Barry Bonds has been WAY past them -- in fact, last year, his OPS was nearly 0.4 HIGHER than the next-closest person in the league. When you look at the best single-season OPS marks over the history of baseball, Bonds owns #1, #2, #4, and #8 on that list. The only other people in the top 10 are Ted Williams and Babe Ruth, with Ruth owning most of the other top marks. The huge difference, though is that Ruth set his records in his late 20s (his physical prime), whereas Bonds is in his late 30s. Then again, Selig is a pussy, so what do you expect?
Baseball is -- pardon my French -- completely fucking nuts to allow Bonds to continue blithely towards the record. Do they really think it's going to be good for PR when he breaks Aaron's record and is inevitably found to have been breaking the rules for years? If they had any clue, they'd bust him now and save themselves the embarrassment of an asterisk.
lilraylewis
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yeah really. What killed me was when, responding to one of the many steriod questions, he said something like, "You're liars. Why do you drudge up all this fiction, which may have some truth--i don't know." I mean, wow! The "some truth" he was refferring to was his fucking steroid use, which, if I'm not mistaken, is the major issue at hand.teiresias said:They had a story about this on NPR's "Morning Edition" this morning. What a moron!!! :lol :lol
In the story they mention how he said they were lying, and someone asked him what they were lying about, and then his publicist or someone said, "The publicist knows." :lol :lol
The NPR guy then went on to ask if they were lying about his undeniable body growth, his testimony, etc., basically undeniable facts.
The man is an ignorant twat - Bonds, not the reporter.
And when he said there were other, bigger issues than steroids in the world that we should concern ourselves with, I just lost it. If I were there I probably would have shot him or something. How clueless can a man be? Bonds has fallen into a pit of oblivion and self-delusion. Of course there's bigger issues that steroid use in baseball, but does that excuse your actions you overgrown, cheating asshole? Should we admit that your eventual breaking of Ruth and Aaron's records is legitimate? No way!
Given no glaring and indisputable steroid revelations come to light, 20 years from now, no one will hardly give a fuck about any of this. There's been pricks and cheaters of all kinds in the history of baseball, and time almost always seems to retrospectively erode most of these blemishes.
swoon said:
Canseco 1986: .240 Batting Average
Canseco 1987: .257 Batting Average
Canseco 1988 + roids: .307 Batting Average
Roids having a positive effect on your stats is more evident with somebody like Caminiti though. Just look at his career stats and one year seriously doesn't belong. :lol
1989: .255 10 HR 72 RBI .316 OBP .369 SLG .685 OPS
1990: .242 4 HR 51 RBI .302 OBP .309 SLG .611 OPS
1991: .253 13 HR 80 RBI .312 OBP .383 SLG .695 OPS
1992: .294 13 HR 62 RBI .350 OBP .441 SLG .791 OPS
1993: .262 13 HR 75 RBI .321 OBP .390 SLG .711 OPS
1994: .283 18 HR 75 RBI .352 OBP .495 SLG .847 OPS
1995: .302 26 HR 94 RBI .380 OBP .513 SLG .893 OPS
1996: .326 40 HR 130 RBI .408 OBP .621 SLG 1.029 OPS
1997: .290 26 HR 90 RBI .389 OBP .508 SLG .897 OPS
1998: .252 29 HR 82 RBI .353 OBP .509 SLG .862 OPS
In 1996 he crushed his career highs in everything by fairly large amounts. That includes things like on base, slugging, OPS, etc.
Adding power is going to help you in every stat catagory that has to do with hitting. If balls that were being caught on the warning track are now going over the fence then you will increase your HR total, RBI total, and slugging percent but what people forget is that it will also increase your batting average, on-base, and OPS.
If you factor that JUST 15 balls that were going to be caught before the steroids will now go for hits that will adjust your batting average by A LOT.
Bonds batted .362 in 2004
If you take away 15 hits and make them outs he would have finished with a .322 batting average. That's a big difference.
Bonds was great before the stuff but you can't deny the improvements that it does to people's stats. The stuff can't take you from a bum off the streets into an all time great but it appears that they can help you win the MVP award. Canseco in 1988, Caminiti in 1996, Giambi in 2000, etc.
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Meier said:Seeing all this Barroid hate in one thread sure makes me smile.
HERE'S TO NATURAL TALENT!
BigGreenMat
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Wow some of you guys truly hate Barry. I personally don't know what to make of the whole situation, but I am not going to use this as some justification to hate the guy. To me the fact he arguably had his best year last year when all this was out there and going on and when supposedly he wasn't using any steroids at all. Steroids aren't the end all be all and especially not when you are using masked steroids as some of their effectiveness is lost in trying to find a compound that works, but is undetectable. This is just a Barry Bonds hate-fuck thread.
CavemanLawyer
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swoon said:
Uhhhhh....
Steroids affect average too....
1) Flyballs turn into homeruns
2) Normal groundballs turn into harder groundballs that more easily make it through the infield.
3) Increased bat speed = Better plate coverage = Higher average
Basically take any ball that a normal player hits and make it go farther/harder. Of course that is going to increase average. When a pitcher delivers a real good pitch a lot of players can't get good wood it. Of course if you are a steroid user you still don't get good wood on it, but it seems less like that.
It has become increasly more frequent that a batter hits a really nice low and outside breaking ball, a ball that most people have difficult doing anything with, and hitting a hard shot or even an homerun. Not only do they hit the low and outside pitch hard, they PULL THE BALL. Any player not incredibly strong will tell you that trying to pull an outside pitch is just asking for a weakly hit ball. But nowadays, it happens all the time.
bob_arctor
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Barry needs a rolleyes next to his "record" instead of just an asterik.
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