WrassleGAF September Edition: Look At The Adjective; "Wrassle"
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British Monsoon
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Mr. Sam said:
The more the bad guy prevails, the greater the impact of the good guy's success when he overcomes his adversity. Of course the stats don't matter, but you can't say it doesn't take something out of it when you know that regardless of the participants in the feud, Orton and Cena are probably going to come out on top not just at the end of the feud, but throughout the course of it. It's perfectly acceptable for the bad guy to dominate the feud right up until the big blow-off PPV match, but just not when Cena & Orton are concerned it seems.
NihonTiger90
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Heavy said:
That's what really separates him from the other heels for me. That, and as mentioned, he's finally getting a good lengthy run without injury.
Spirit of Jazz said:
You call my argument a straw man argument because, I assume, I equate Bryan/Del Rio to Orton's feuds, or what?
1) Punk had Nexus behind him? If I remember correctly, they were injured for WrestleMania and then banned from ringside at Extreme Rules.
2) Punk lost clean to Orton "constantly"? Well, in three matches, yes. This is if you ignore my entire argument about stories being more important than stats, which you seem happy to.
3) Orton had six great matches with Christian. I don't know how much more he could have raised his game.
cartoon_soldier
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bangai-o said:
lol he will be RKO'd out of nowhere to midcard
Barack Lesnar
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I'm gonna mark out and ride the Orton hate train if he doesn't, seriously.bangai-o said:
Mr. Enigma
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Barack Lesnar
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djsandman said:
Mr. Enigma
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Entropia said:
Henry's now been there for 15 years. Made his debut in 1996. Shit blows my mind.
Spirit of Jazz
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Mr. Sam said:
Because you suggest people who have an issue that Bryan lost to Del Rio (if there were any?) are also the only ones who have an issue with Orton constantly winning all the time.
And why were they injured? Because Orton single handedly took out the faction.
He lost every PPV match in the series. The W/L record matters because it makes the entire feud boring/predictable if there's no back and fourth.
They weren't great, I found the Summer Slam match terrible given it ended in a 10 minute squash Christian pulled Randy to some solid matches. I've never once denied that Randy can do okay when he's in the ring with somebody who can make him look good. However unless you can point me to the feud where Randy had great matches with a bad wrestler I don't see how you're responding to my point?
Perspicacity
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This argument would fly if the story wasn't also shitty. They made Punk look weak going into each match and then also had him lose. This might have actually worked if they had treated Punk as the face but instead we had Orton beating Punk and New Nexus in handicap matches and attacks prior to even having singles contests.Mr. Sam said:
If Punk wasn't even able to get the upper hand when the deck was stacked in his favour, why would any of the audience expect him to be a credible threat when it wasn't.
Instead the whole thing came off as if they were trying to stroke Orton's ego or punish Punk for no reason, and if Punk were a lesser worker then it would have killed his heat.
Fair enough. And yes, there were a few people that had an issue with Bryan losing to Del Rio.Spirit of Jazz said:
Yeah, that's what happened. I mean, it's not like he ran into the entire group and took them out all at once. He isolated them, punted them, then ran - to borrow a phrase - like a scolded dog when the others showed up. Frankly, there was a lot of room to make him look more dominant.
There were two pay-per-view matches; three matches overall. Barely a series.
Ten minutes is hyperbole. It was probably around three minutes at best, and at the end of a twenty minute match during which Christian got plenty of offence in. To arbitrarily isolate the final few minutes and call it a squash just seems odd. In the context of the match, it was Orton pulling out all the stops to keep Christian down. The call-back to their first match together was very well down.
As for Christian pulling Orton to the matches? Come on, that didn't happen - not unless Christian was controlling Orton's body via psychic link.
The only great match I can think of any wrestler having with a much worse one is Bret Hart versus The British Bulldog at SummerSlam 1992. Unquestionably the highlight of Bulldog's career, just another great match on Hart's extensive list. This is a really odd criteria to have.
Alligatorjandro
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How can anyone take Mark Henry serious after he had relations with Mae Young.
Barack Lesnar
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That only adds to his legend.Alligatorjandro said:
CommonSense
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CommonSense
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Alligatorjandro said:
Gmilfs are the new milfs. Henry is just keeping bills paid by being ahead of the game, son.
Perspicacity
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But the thing is Orton gets put up against better wrestlers constantly. When you have two great wrestlers they should elevate eachother (Punk/Cena, Angle/Joe, Michaels/Jericho), Orton however doesn't know how to make his opponents look good so you can never really get a classic match out of him and all of his 'good' matches need to be with a significantly better wrestler.Mr. Sam said:
For example, I'll bet if you named the best 5 Randy Orton matchesyou could probably make a very passable list, however not one of them would make it onto a top five list of any of his respective opponents. This same thing wouldn't happen with any other main eventer (except for maybe JBL)
Uno Venova
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She probably knew and tough him more things that we can dream of, sexually.Alligatorjandro said:
CommonSense
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upJTboogie said:
Mae Young just the whole thing.
bean breath
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CAPITAL 'C' WHEN YOU SPELL THE MAN NAME!G-Fex said:
CommonSense
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RBH said:
Ron Mexico does not appreciate you talking about his bitches, cm
punk.
Net_Wrecker
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It's amusing to see people keep saying W/L doesn't matter as Cena and Orton keep on bringing home the W's and are always "protected", even in loses. You'd think we'd see other people come out on top in the matches if that was really the case.
bean breath
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Arrowgigantic
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Big O and Zack's dad need to be the stars of the next WWE movie, a reimagining of the Bill and Ted movies.
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TheDancingWatermelon
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Matthew Gallant said:
I want to see them have a match at Wrestlemania. Hell when are we getting the Big O in the WWE?
Perspicacity
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It's also absurd to downplay their importance. Even in a fake sport the objective of your characters is to succeed in that sport. Motivations should always be centralized around winning matches.Net_Wrecker said:
If you always have the hero win and villain look like an incompetent buffoon the product tends to stray from reality. This is even worse when neither wrestler (but especially the heel) treats their wins or losses with any sort of gravity.
Dork Knight
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bean breath said:
Mad props for the New Kids fist-pumping. Oh oh oh!
bean breath
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That pic of Scott Stanford and his dog, hahahaha.Dork Knight said:
I have long been indifferent to Henry, in fact I used to hate him for how slow and immobile he is, but now, I think he's actually deserving of a WHC run.
Like Kane, this would be a reward type run, he's been with the company since the mid nineties, he's always stuck with them and never complained despite the really bad stories he got stuck with and always being in the mid card, and always jobbed when needed. Most of all he seems like a good guy.
Now Kane is better on the mic (not that Henry is bad, he's solid) and overall a better worker (both are past their prime obviously), but I'd like to see Henry win and have a few months of fun with the title. Not feuding with Orton, either, meet a few different challengers at PPV's until maybe December or January, then drop it to Sheamus or someone like that.
This will be his only chance at a World Title run, he can't have more than a few years left in his career, and it's a good way to reward a loyal company man.
I like Orton just fine, but I don't want an out of nowhere RKO ending here.
Like Kane, this would be a reward type run, he's been with the company since the mid nineties, he's always stuck with them and never complained despite the really bad stories he got stuck with and always being in the mid card, and always jobbed when needed. Most of all he seems like a good guy.
Now Kane is better on the mic (not that Henry is bad, he's solid) and overall a better worker (both are past their prime obviously), but I'd like to see Henry win and have a few months of fun with the title. Not feuding with Orton, either, meet a few different challengers at PPV's until maybe December or January, then drop it to Sheamus or someone like that.
This will be his only chance at a World Title run, he can't have more than a few years left in his career, and it's a good way to reward a loyal company man.
I like Orton just fine, but I don't want an out of nowhere RKO ending here.
Alligatorjandro
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What the WWE is a group or faction that is hated.
funkystudent
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they tried that with Nexus.Alligatorjandro said:
Its very hard to hate something that Cena will just beat clean at the next PPV anyway.
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