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funkystudent said:they tried that with Nexus.
Its very hard to hate something that Cena will just beat clean at the next PPV anyway.
Thats why the NWO is needed
funkystudent said:they tried that with Nexus.
Its very hard to hate something that Cena will just beat clean at the next PPV anyway.
How will Cena beating the NWO do anyone any good?Alligatorjandro said:Thats why the NWO is needed
funkystudent said:How will Cena beating the NWO do anyone any good?
Cenation hasn't eroded as badly as Hulkamania did at the time. There is still money to be made.Alligatorjandro said:Have Cena join the NWO like Hogan did.
lulz at the idea of Cena having any lasting character development.Alligatorjandro said:Have Cena join the NWO like Hogan did.
Perspicacity said:It's also absurd to downplay their importance. Even in a fake sport the objective of your characters is to succeed in that sport. Motivations should always be centralized around winning matches.
If you always have the hero win and villain look like an incompetent buffoon the product tends to stray from reality. This is even worse when neither wrestler (but especially the heel) treats their wins or losses with any sort of gravity.
NWO logo in a sea of purple.funkystudent said:lulz at the idea of Cena having any lasting character development.
He would only join then to eventually turn on them in a month. Destroy them from the inside and so on. He would be back to normal after that.
A cena nWo t-shirt might actually be pretty cool though.....
Net_Wrecker said:The issue with the WWE right now is that your "hero" in their situation is not a hero. Cena and Orton are bullies picking on prey who are portrayed as very much worse than them. Why? Because, as you said, the objective here is to win matches and get titles. If the villains aren't allowed to take the town hostage, kill some people, hurt some people, blow stuff up, etc. etc., they aren't threats, and at that point, aren't villains.
Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
Striker said:nWo worked with Hogan because he could still work a crowd, and Hall and Nash were tremendous in their own right.
They're talking about how much they like the "hall of pain" gimmick.Liquidsnake said:What kind of a world did I wake up to where Mark Henry is the #1 heel in the world today. What are you guys talking about????
I look at him and see what I always have...nothing.
bean breath said:They're talking about how much they like the "hall of pain" gimmick.
Liquidsnake said:Im not trying to be a jerk, but are they being serious?
Definitely. Really sick of the only threat heels playing is "I can maybe be able to cheat to win if the stars align in my favour". It seems like they're so afraid of their top guys losing fans if they lose a match clean that only one type of heel is allowed near the title.Net_Wrecker said:The issue with the WWE right now is that your "hero" in their situation is not a hero. Cena and Orton are bullies picking on prey who are portrayed as very much worse than them. Why? Because, as you said, the objective here is to win matches and get titles. If the villains aren't allowed to take the town hostage, kill some people, hurt some people, blow stuff up, etc. etc., they aren't threats, and at that point, aren't villains.
Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
Alligatorjandro said:What the WWE is a group or faction that is hated.
Liquidsnake said:Im not trying to be a jerk, but are they being serious?
Seraphis Cain said:Okay man, I hope you don't take offense to this, because it's totally not directed solely at you, but...how do people forget entire WORDS in sentences? I've been seeing it more and more often not just here on GAF, but across the entire internet. It just makes no sense to me. Do people not re-read their posts before clicking "Submit Reply"? Or hell, even WHILE POSTING them? I just don't understand.
Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. Carry on.
(And seriously, Alligatorjandro, no offense intended, I mean it. I'm sorry to have singled you out.)
NWO merch was still massively huge. They could treat it as a separate entity as they did with WCW.funkystudent said:a heel turn wont happen until he fails a drug test or his merch sales dry up.
thatsthejoke.jpegRapstah said:Wrassle isn't a fucking adjective, that's a compound noun made up of two nouns. Get your shit together.
Rapstah said:Wrassle isn't a fucking adjective, that's a compound noun made up of two nouns. Get your shit together.
bean breath said:Cenation hasn't eroded as badly as Hulkamania did at the time. There is still money to be made.
Probably less.G-Fex said:I always did wonder how badly did hulks years and YEARS of being a face then eroded? Was it seriously worse than the many Many boos Cena gets today?
Rapstah said:Wrassle isn't a fucking adjective, that's a compound noun made up of two nouns. Get your shit together.
Net_Wrecker said:Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
Net_Wrecker said:Didn't you rave about that mess of a contract signing between Punk/HHH on Super Smackdown vs. Marvel 3? Mark Henry >>>> that crappy angle right now.
People liking Henry who has a quotable line per week, and is the first powerhouse booked almost completely correctly in a long time is really a surprise?
That was boring. Way too long. Punk's great on the mic, but more is not always better.Liquidsnake said:There have been two very entertaining contract signings this year, and Punk was part of both of them. I thought Monday was done very very well.
Ive kind of watched Mark Henry for what 10 years, and now all of a sudden hes to be feared, respected? Sorry. I just don't buy it. I don't buy him. He has a decade of mid card tape with not one memorable memory sticking out in my mind. I just don't get the last page where everyone was high on him as the best heel in the world today.
He looks like a 80's foe for Hogan to build up and beat down at a Saturday Nights Main Event.
Im sorry again, I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but am I supposed to foget the last 10 years of him doing nothing?
NoRéN said:That was boring. Way too long. Punk's great on the mic, but more is not always better.
I don't know. I mean, the way things are going Punk's coming out looking like an asshole.Liquidsnake said:Gotcha, I understand.
Liquidsnake said:There have been two very entertaining contract signings this year, and Punk was part of both of them. I thought Monday was done very very well.
Ive kind of watched Mark Henry for what 10 years, and now all of a sudden hes to be feared, respected? Sorry. I just don't buy it. I don't buy him. He has a decade of mid card tape with not one memorable memory sticking out in my mind. I just don't get the last page where everyone was high on him as the best heel in the world today.
He looks like a 80's foe for Hogan to build up and beat down at a Saturday Nights Main Event.
Im sorry again, I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but am I supposed to foget the last 10 years of him doing nothing?
Sexual Chocolate is the only thing that comes to mind when I think of Henry. I guess I am just not a fan. I didn't know if you guys were being serious or not.
funkystudent said:Probably less.
I mean atleast Hogan lost to Ultimate Worrier clean at WM6. It was a sort of torch passing moment. Hogan then became a less important part of WWF tv after that. he wasnt hogging the main event or the title forever.
when was the last time Cena put someone over clean in the last 6 years?
but thats just Punks thing... He is kind of a asshole.NoRéN said:I don't know. I mean, the way things are going Punk's coming out looking like an asshole.
Uhh, you said contract signing and I thought about Smackdown. Yeah, Monday was good. Tuesday, not so much.
Net_Wrecker said:Considering Cena's reign on top, what Cole considers as being "nerd" worthy, and the promo "Air Boom" cut on Smackdown, it seems that an 80's heel like Henry fits right in with the direction of the company.
And I don't think he's the best heel in WRESTLING, but can you name a better heel than Henry in the WWE right now?
Yeah, and that's what is so great about him. But, the way this feud is being handled, he isn't coming off as the typical CM Punk asshole that we know and love. The stuff he says now seems more unnecessary and inappropriate. I guess its because HHH is going to be the good guy in all this, i don't know.funkystudent said:but thats just Punks thing... He is kind of a asshole.
Maybe they just need to shake things up. Dude has been in 3 contract signing segments 3 PPV builds in a row FFS.
Once HHH turns full feel hopefully that will change things.
Bootaaay said:Heh, browsing through my old photobucket stuff I found this awesome gif of Samoa Joe legit KO'ing Roderick Strong;
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*sigh* - I miss motivated, athletic Samoa Joe![]()
Liquidsnake said:
Fuck yes I can. Sin Cara. In a segment that lasted probably 15 seconds, he's vaulted himself to the top of the heel heap in WWE.Net_Wrecker said:And I don't think he's the best heel in WRESTLING, but can you name a better heel than Henry in the WWE right now?
Chauncy Talon said:It's called, "Go to Japan Joe!"
It's almost like there's someone else under the mask!bean breath said:Fuck yes I can. Sin Cara. In a segment that lasted probably 15 seconds, he's vaulted himself to the top of the heel heap in WWE.
Liquidsnake said:There have been two very entertaining contract signings this year, and Punk was part of both of them. I thought Monday was done very very well.
Ive kind of watched Mark Henry for what 10 years, and now all of a sudden hes to be feared, respected? Sorry. I just don't buy it. I don't buy him. He has a decade of mid card tape with not one memorable memory sticking out in my mind. I just don't get the last page where everyone was high on him as the best heel in the world today.
He looks like a 80's foe for Hogan to build up and beat down at a Saturday Nights Main Event.
Im sorry again, I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but am I supposed to foget the last 10 years of him doing nothing?
Sexual Chocolate is the only thing that comes to mind when I think of Henry. I guess I am just not a fan. I didn't know if you guys were being serious or not.
That hearsay might have been fine in the thread when you were in charge but we don't let that B.S. fly anymore.Plywood said:It's almost like there's someone else under the mask!
Net_Wrecker said:The issue with the WWE right now is that your "hero" in their situation is not a hero. Cena and Orton are bullies picking on prey who are portrayed as very much worse than them. Why? Because, as you said, the objective here is to win matches and get titles. If the villains aren't allowed to take the town hostage, kill some people, hurt some people, blow stuff up, etc. etc., they aren't threats, and at that point, aren't villains.
Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
I'm glad someone else gets it. I like this Net_Wrecker guy!Net_Wrecker said:Considering Cena's reign on top, what Cole considers as being "nerd" worthy, and the promo "Air Boom" cut on Smackdown, it seems that an 80's heel like Henry fits right in with the direction of the company.
And I don't think he's the best heel in WRESTLING, but can you name a better heel than Henry in the WWE right now?
Sin Cara was an inside job! The truth has to be known!bean breath said:That hearsay might have been fine in the thread when you were in charge but we don't let that B.S. fly anymore.
This might be a more appropriate thread for you to continue that discussion:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96453