WrassleGAF September Edition: Look At The Adjective; "Wrassle"

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Alligatorjandro said:
Have Cena join the NWO like Hogan did.
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lulz at the idea of Cena having any lasting character development.


He would only join then to eventually turn on them in a month. Destroy them from the inside and so on. He would be back to normal after that.




A cena nWo t-shirt might actually be pretty cool though.....
 
Cena as a heel... One can only dream...

The amount of money to be made on that... Huge...

Too bad it will NEVER happen :lol
 
Perspicacity said:
It's also absurd to downplay their importance. Even in a fake sport the objective of your characters is to succeed in that sport. Motivations should always be centralized around winning matches.

If you always have the hero win and villain look like an incompetent buffoon the product tends to stray from reality. This is even worse when neither wrestler (but especially the heel) treats their wins or losses with any sort of gravity.
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The issue with the WWE right now is that your "hero" in their situation is not a hero. Cena and Orton are bullies picking on prey who are portrayed as very much worse than them. Why? Because, as you said, the objective here is to win matches and get titles. If the villains aren't allowed to take the town hostage, kill some people, hurt some people, blow stuff up, etc. etc., they aren't threats, and at that point, aren't villains.

Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE™ do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
 
funkystudent said:
lulz at the idea of Cena having any lasting character development.


He would only join then to eventually turn on them in a month. Destroy them from the inside and so on. He would be back to normal after that.




A cena nWo t-shirt might actually be pretty cool though.....
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NWO logo in a sea of purple.
 
What kind of a world did I wake up to where Mark Henry is the #1 heel in the world today. What are you guys talking about????
I look at him and see what I always have...nothing.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
The issue with the WWE right now is that your "hero" in their situation is not a hero. Cena and Orton are bullies picking on prey who are portrayed as very much worse than them. Why? Because, as you said, the objective here is to win matches and get titles. If the villains aren't allowed to take the town hostage, kill some people, hurt some people, blow stuff up, etc. etc., they aren't threats, and at that point, aren't villains.

Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE™ do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
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why do you guys keep making these joke posts??? you all know that LOGIC and all other forms of WIZARDRY are forbidden in WWE creative.
 
Striker said:
nWo worked with Hogan because he could still work a crowd, and Hall and Nash were tremendous in their own right.
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well Hulk was still seen as a pretty big deal when the heel turn happened.. thats what made it shocking.

Didnt they describe the Hogan heel turn in one of the WCW dvd's or a hogan DVD as a great move at the time. that hardcore fans where already starting to boo him and his character was getting boring. the heel turn fixed that and got people caring about hogan again.... THATS CENA NOW.... THATS CENA FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS!!


a heel turn wont happen until he fails a drug test or his merch sales dry up.
 
Liquidsnake said:
What kind of a world did I wake up to where Mark Henry is the #1 heel in the world today. What are you guys talking about????
I look at him and see what I always have...nothing.
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They're talking about how much they like the "hall of pain" gimmick.
 
Liquidsnake said:
Im not trying to be a jerk, but are they being serious?
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Net_Wrecker said:
The issue with the WWE right now is that your "hero" in their situation is not a hero. Cena and Orton are bullies picking on prey who are portrayed as very much worse than them. Why? Because, as you said, the objective here is to win matches and get titles. If the villains aren't allowed to take the town hostage, kill some people, hurt some people, blow stuff up, etc. etc., they aren't threats, and at that point, aren't villains.

Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE™ do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
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Definitely. Really sick of the only threat heels playing is "I can maybe be able to cheat to win if the stars align in my favour". It seems like they're so afraid of their top guys losing fans if they lose a match clean that only one type of heel is allowed near the title.

If your hero becomes unlikeable if he loses and your villain can no longer be despised if he wins then they really don't have a credible reason to be in those roles. I remember watching Lesnar in the UFC a couple of years ago, dude won his match and essentially cut a heel promo on the fans. That's a guy who people will pay because they want to see lose, not because he's a cheater who deserves his comeuppance or an unstoppable monster but because he was playing the type of despicable person we see in real life.
 
Alligatorjandro said:
What the WWE is a group or faction that is hated.
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Okay man, I hope you don't take offense to this, because it's totally not directed solely at you, but...how do people forget entire WORDS in sentences? I've been seeing it more and more often not just here on GAF, but across the entire internet. It just makes no sense to me. Do people not re-read their posts before clicking "Submit Reply"? Or hell, even WHILE POSTING them? I just don't understand.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. Carry on.

(And seriously, Alligatorjandro, no offense intended, I mean it. I'm sorry to have singled you out.)
 
Liquidsnake said:
Im not trying to be a jerk, but are they being serious?
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Didn't you rave about that mess of a contract signing between Punk/HHH on Super Smackdown vs. Marvel 3? Mark Henry >>>> that crappy angle right now.

People liking Henry who has a quotable line per week, and is the first powerhouse booked almost completely correctly in a long time is really a surprise?
 
Seraphis Cain said:
Okay man, I hope you don't take offense to this, because it's totally not directed solely at you, but...how do people forget entire WORDS in sentences? I've been seeing it more and more often not just here on GAF, but across the entire internet. It just makes no sense to me. Do people not re-read their posts before clicking "Submit Reply"? Or hell, even WHILE POSTING them? I just don't understand.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. Carry on.

(And seriously, Alligatorjandro, no offense intended, I mean it. I'm sorry to have singled you out.)
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Damn I thought I typed out needs.Sorry about that.
 
funkystudent said:
a heel turn wont happen until he fails a drug test or his merch sales dry up.
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NWO merch was still massively huge. They could treat it as a separate entity as they did with WCW.
 
I can't turn this around in any way by saying I don't watch wrestling right? Since I sort of walked into the nest of people that do? I'll just leave quietly now.
 
bean breath said:
Cenation hasn't eroded as badly as Hulkamania did at the time. There is still money to be made.
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I always did wonder how badly did hulks years and YEARS of being a face then eroded? Was it seriously worse than the many Many boos Cena gets today?
 
G-Fex said:
I always did wonder how badly did hulks years and YEARS of being a face then eroded? Was it seriously worse than the many Many boos Cena gets today?
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Probably less.

I mean atleast Hogan lost to Ultimate Worrier clean at WM6. It was a sort of torch passing moment. Hogan then became a less important part of WWF tv after that. he wasnt hogging the main event or the title forever.

when was the last time Cena put someone over clean in the last 6 years?
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE™ do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
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This is true. Henry's kinda the most legit villain we've had lately since most other heels resort to cowardly tactics or cheat to win. Henry's just DOMINATING people's asses. And so far, they've booked him fairly well. Most of the matches he's actually lost lately have been due to count-out, and not being pinned.

And for anybody thinking Wrassle isn't an adjective: Get your head out of your wrassle ass.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Didn't you rave about that mess of a contract signing between Punk/HHH on Super Smackdown vs. Marvel 3? Mark Henry >>>> that crappy angle right now.

People liking Henry who has a quotable line per week, and is the first powerhouse booked almost completely correctly in a long time is really a surprise?
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There have been two very entertaining contract signings this year, and Punk was part of both of them. I thought Monday was done very very well.

Ive kind of watched Mark Henry for what 10 years, and now all of a sudden hes to be feared, respected? Sorry. I just don't buy it. I don't buy him. He has a decade of mid card tape with not one memorable memory sticking out in my mind. I just don't get the last page where everyone was high on him as the best heel in the world today.

He looks like a 80's foe for Hogan to build up and beat down at a Saturday Nights Main Event.

Im sorry again, I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but am I supposed to foget the last 10 years of him doing nothing?

Sexual Chocolate is the only thing that comes to mind when I think of Henry. I guess I am just not a fan. I didn't know if you guys were being serious or not.
 
Liquidsnake said:
There have been two very entertaining contract signings this year, and Punk was part of both of them. I thought Monday was done very very well.

Ive kind of watched Mark Henry for what 10 years, and now all of a sudden hes to be feared, respected? Sorry. I just don't buy it. I don't buy him. He has a decade of mid card tape with not one memorable memory sticking out in my mind. I just don't get the last page where everyone was high on him as the best heel in the world today.

He looks like a 80's foe for Hogan to build up and beat down at a Saturday Nights Main Event.

Im sorry again, I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but am I supposed to foget the last 10 years of him doing nothing?
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That was boring. Way too long. Punk's great on the mic, but more is not always better.
 
Liquidsnake said:
Gotcha, I understand.
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I don't know. I mean, the way things are going Punk's coming out looking like an asshole.

Uhh, you said contract signing and I thought about Smackdown. Yeah, Monday was good. Tuesday, not so much.
 
Heh, browsing through my old photobucket stuff I found this awesome gif of Samoa Joe legit KO'ing Roderick Strong;

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*sigh* - I miss motivated, athletic Samoa Joe :(
 
Liquidsnake said:
There have been two very entertaining contract signings this year, and Punk was part of both of them. I thought Monday was done very very well.

Ive kind of watched Mark Henry for what 10 years, and now all of a sudden hes to be feared, respected? Sorry. I just don't buy it. I don't buy him. He has a decade of mid card tape with not one memorable memory sticking out in my mind. I just don't get the last page where everyone was high on him as the best heel in the world today.

He looks like a 80's foe for Hogan to build up and beat down at a Saturday Nights Main Event.

Im sorry again, I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but am I supposed to foget the last 10 years of him doing nothing?

Sexual Chocolate is the only thing that comes to mind when I think of Henry. I guess I am just not a fan. I didn't know if you guys were being serious or not.
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Considering Cena's reign on top, what Cole considers as being "nerd" worthy, and the promo "Air Boom" cut on Smackdown, it seems that an 80's heel like Henry fits right in with the direction of the company.

And I don't think he's the best heel in WRESTLING, but can you name a better heel than Henry in the WWE right now?
 
funkystudent said:
Probably less.

I mean atleast Hogan lost to Ultimate Worrier clean at WM6. It was a sort of torch passing moment. Hogan then became a less important part of WWF tv after that. he wasnt hogging the main event or the title forever.

when was the last time Cena put someone over clean in the last 6 years?
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Hmm, this is something

I haven't a clue why MacMahon still has cena on top, doesn't make anymore movies all two of them bombed. I kinda wonder how he's still bringing in money I mean aren't kids already tired of him too?
 
NoRéN said:
I don't know. I mean, the way things are going Punk's coming out looking like an asshole.

Uhh, you said contract signing and I thought about Smackdown. Yeah, Monday was good. Tuesday, not so much.
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but thats just Punks thing... He is kind of a asshole.

Maybe they just need to shake things up. Dude has been in 3 contract signing segments 3 PPV builds in a row FFS.

Once HHH turns full feel hopefully that will change things.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Considering Cena's reign on top, what Cole considers as being "nerd" worthy, and the promo "Air Boom" cut on Smackdown, it seems that an 80's heel like Henry fits right in with the direction of the company.

And I don't think he's the best heel in WRESTLING, but can you name a better heel than Henry in the WWE right now?
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No.
 
funkystudent said:
but thats just Punks thing... He is kind of a asshole.

Maybe they just need to shake things up. Dude has been in 3 contract signing segments 3 PPV builds in a row FFS.

Once HHH turns full feel hopefully that will change things.
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Yeah, and that's what is so great about him. But, the way this feud is being handled, he isn't coming off as the typical CM Punk asshole that we know and love. The stuff he says now seems more unnecessary and inappropriate. I guess its because HHH is going to be the good guy in all this, i don't know.
The promos are too long now. Too much talking. Meanwhile, Henry cuts a short promo with at least one memorable sentence in it. Later one comes out, does his "World's Strongest Man" thing, destroys someone, and it's over. It's short, it's good, and it gets the point across: This is the new Monster Heel in WWE.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
And I don't think he's the best heel in WRESTLING, but can you name a better heel than Henry in the WWE right now?
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Fuck yes I can. Sin Cara. In a segment that lasted probably 15 seconds, he's vaulted himself to the top of the heel heap in WWE.
 
bean breath said:
Fuck yes I can. Sin Cara. In a segment that lasted probably 15 seconds, he's vaulted himself to the top of the heel heap in WWE.
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It's almost like there's someone else under the mask!
 
Liquidsnake said:
There have been two very entertaining contract signings this year, and Punk was part of both of them. I thought Monday was done very very well.

Ive kind of watched Mark Henry for what 10 years, and now all of a sudden hes to be feared, respected? Sorry. I just don't buy it. I don't buy him. He has a decade of mid card tape with not one memorable memory sticking out in my mind. I just don't get the last page where everyone was high on him as the best heel in the world today.

He looks like a 80's foe for Hogan to build up and beat down at a Saturday Nights Main Event.

Im sorry again, I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but am I supposed to foget the last 10 years of him doing nothing?

Sexual Chocolate is the only thing that comes to mind when I think of Henry. I guess I am just not a fan. I didn't know if you guys were being serious or not.
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i think some of his built in legitimacy is based around him being a fucking mack truck. All they did these past months is book him in a way to showcase it...he's a physical freak, strong as a damn ox. I dont give a damn what gimmick the guy has had, and demeanor he used to have , if he got salty all of a sudden ...im keepin my bills paid fuck that. On the street, just regular clothes no intro music, no fans and a barrier, no cage, im not fuckin with mark henry , weather he's sexual chocolate, fuckin a old lady with a hand in a stroller. That might be the scariest thing you could ever see in an urban setting , mark fuckin henry collectin bills. He's just a scary dude. They werent using him right before (and he stayed injured)...well they are now.

There isnt a person on this board who would be like meh, midcard jobber if they were ran up on by Henry. Fuck that , whats unbelievable is some of the people he's had to job too in the past , thats not "believable" , big biscuit eatin turkey leg grabbin monster like that, i dont even want to know what he REALLY looks like live and in person. I still remember how shocked i was at how much bigger kane and UT look in person.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
The issue with the WWE right now is that your "hero" in their situation is not a hero. Cena and Orton are bullies picking on prey who are portrayed as very much worse than them. Why? Because, as you said, the objective here is to win matches and get titles. If the villains aren't allowed to take the town hostage, kill some people, hurt some people, blow stuff up, etc. etc., they aren't threats, and at that point, aren't villains.

Mark Henry is the first legit villain to come along in a long time, but if he doesn't WIN THE MATCH AND THE TITLE, there is absolutely no way people take him seriously. Cheap beatdowns after an RKO OUT OF NOWHERE™ do nothing for this guy. And I'm not talking about a dirty win either, Mark Henry needs to DECIMATE Orton in at least 2 matches so that it becomes acceptable for Orton to start playing dirty while Henry is still wrestling clean because he's THAT dominant. Keep Henry heel by talking down to their heroes, and the audience gets behind Orton no matter WHAT he has to do to get the title back.
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Net_Wrecker said:
Considering Cena's reign on top, what Cole considers as being "nerd" worthy, and the promo "Air Boom" cut on Smackdown, it seems that an 80's heel like Henry fits right in with the direction of the company.

And I don't think he's the best heel in WRESTLING, but can you name a better heel than Henry in the WWE right now?
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I'm glad someone else gets it. I like this Net_Wrecker guy!

Let's just hope WWE doesn't blow this. He must win and it has to be in dominating fashion.
 
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