lol what? Testosterone is a hell of a drug.Also, there is far too much belief in biological differences between genders, where there are none
lol what? Testosterone is a hell of a drug.Also, there is far too much belief in biological differences between genders, where there are none
No. Nature makes males and females for a reason.I haven't read all of that, but I disagree with what I have.
We're just starting to move away from maculine values, and that's a good thing. We need to go further.
False.Also, there is far too much belief in biological differences between genders, where there are none.
For reproduction, not stereotypes backed by psuedoscience.No. Nature makes males and females for a reason.
No. Nature makes males and females for a reason.
For reproduction, not stereotypes backed by psuedoscience.
Testosterone in and of itself does not lead to a great gender divide though.lol what? Testosterone is a hell of a drug.
If there is no biological difference then why do a lot of feminists treat woman like children incapable of thinking for themselves?
It's been a while, but I recall that both genders have testosterone and estrogen, and chromosomes and receptors determine what kind of genitalia you have. Genitalia is what determines if you're a boy or girl but many so called gender differences are actually just chemical differences, which is not the same thing as inherent differences between males and females. For example, men on average have better spatial orientation, but it's not because we are men, but because testosterone helps with that. Jack a woman up with testosterone and the difference disappears. There are biological differences between the genders, but outside our roles in baby making, they're pretty negligible.lol what? Testosterone is a hell of a drug.
If there is no biological difference then why do a lot of feminists treat woman like children incapable of thinking for themselves?
It's been a while, but I recall that both genders have testosterone and estrogen, and chromosomes and receptors determine what kind of genitalia you have. Genitalia is what determines if you're a boy or girl but many so called gender differences are actually just chemical differences, which is not the same thing as inherent differences between males and females. For example, men on average have better spatial orientation, but it's not because we are men, but because testosterone helps with that. Jack a woman up with testosterone and the difference disappears. There are biological differences between the genders, but outside our roles in baby making, they're pretty negligible.
For reproduction, not stereotypes backed by psuedoscience.
It leads to fundamentally different ways of experiencing and interacting with the world. That does cause a divide.Testosterone in and of itself does not lead to a great gender divide though.
It leads to fundamentally different ways of experiencing and interacting with the world. That does cause a divide.
Come again?
Correct, but those natural hormonal levels are a real gender difference. So while not "technically" different, the hormones transform us into very different versions of humanity.It's been a while, but I recall that both genders have testosterone and estrogen, and chromosomes and receptors determine what kind of genitalia you have. Genitalia is what determines if you're a boy or girl but many so called gender differences are actually just chemical differences, which is not the same thing as inherent differences between males and females. For example, men on average have better spatial orientation, but it's not because we are men, but because testosterone helps with that. Jack a woman up with testosterone and the difference disappears. There are biological differences between the genders, but outside our roles in baby making, they're pretty negligible.
Off the top of my head girls are incapable of consenting to sex while drunk but guys are. Thats a odd difference being put forth by the same people who say there is no biological difference between the sexes. Or is there something I'm missing?
Testosterone isn't acid dude.
OK, you want to do "Testosterone"?
Ira Glass
Sure.
Julie Snyder
All right. I really do-- so this is another one. I'll just continue to do these through how they personally affected me.
Ira Glass
Good.
Julie Snyder
So "Testosterone," this is the one where I feel so bad for you guys. I feel really bad for men. This blew my mind, the interview that Alex did with Griffin Hansbury.
Ira Glass
Griffin Hansbury.
Julie Snyder
Yeah. And so Griffin was talking to Alex about-- Griffin was born a woman and went to Bryn Mawr, and was a feminist, and really-- you know what I mean?
Ira Glass
Yeah, lesbian feminist.
Julie Snyder
Lesbian feminist. And then so then, Griffin decided to transition, and so he started taking testosterone. And he started taking pretty intense amounts, apparently.
Ira Glass
Like way more than a man has.
Julie Snyder
Yeah, it's like, I think, twice. And so this part of the interview is when Griffin is telling Alex about the effects of the testosterone.
Griffin Hansbury
The most overwhelming feeling is the incredible increase in libido and change in the way that I perceived women and the way I thought about sex. Before testosterone, I would be riding the subway, which is the traditional hotbed of lust in the city. And I would see a woman on the subway, and I would think, she's attractive. I'd like to meet her.
What's that book she's reading? I could talk to her. This is what I would say. There would be a narrative. There would be this stream of language. It would be very verbal.
After testosterone, there was no narrative. There was no language, whatsoever. It was just, I would see a woman who was attractive-- or not attractive. She might have an attractive quality, nice ankles or something, and the rest of her would be fairly unappealing to me. But that was enough to basically just flood my mind with aggressive pornographic images, just one after another.
It was like being in a pornographic movie house in my mind. And I couldn't turn it off. I mean, I could not turn it off. Everything I looked at, everything I touched turned to sex.
Alex Blumberg
What did you do with that? I mean, what did you think?
Griffin Hansbury
Well, I felt-- I felt like a monster, a lot of the time. And it made me understand men. It made me understand adolescent boys, a lot. Suddenly, hair sprouting, and I'm turning into this beast. And I would kind of-- I would really kind of berate myself for it.
I remember walking up Fifth Avenue, and there was a woman walking in front of me. And she was wearing this little skirt and this little top. And I was looking at her ass. And I kept saying to myself, don't look at it, don't look at it. And I kept looking at it.
And I walked past her, and this voice in my head kept saying, turn around to look at her breasts. Turn around, turn around, turn around. And my feminist female background kept saying, don't you dare, you pig. Don't turn around. And you know, I fought myself for a whole block, and then I turned around and checked her out.
And before, it was cool. When I would do a poetry reading, I would get up and I would read these poems about, you know, women on the street. And I was a butch dyke, and that was very, very cutting edge, and that was very sexy and raw. And now I'm just a jerk. You know?
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People calling into call sports radio call shows don't necessarily make nuclear submarines and drones possible.
I'm very familiar with military families because I grew up outside of DC and most of my mom's family served in the military. But having firsthand exposure to it is a rarity nowadays with both the cultural ("red" areas sending more people) and geographical divides.If the military is out of fashion in the US then why is their military spending so high. And those "elites" working more in finance, doesn't she understand how the US military and finance are hand in glove. People calling into call sports radio call shows don't necessarily make nuclear submarines and drones possible.
I assume this is an MRA argument, but every feminist I know believes nobody is able to consent to sex when intoxicated.
I'm very familiar with military families because I grew up outside of DC and most of my mom's family served in the military. But having firsthand exposure to it is a rarity nowadays with both the cultural ("red" areas sending more people) and geographical divides.
Feminists argue for consent. A person, man or woman, can be inebriated and still consent, imo. I don't think there's a general argument in feminist rhetoric that argues women are especially incapable of consent while drunk.Off the top of my head girls are incapable of consenting to sex while drunk but guys are. Thats a odd difference being put forth by the same people who say there is no biological difference between the sexes. Or is there something I'm missing?
Did the patriarchy break their spirits down so much that they are incapable of the same decision making skills as guys, their biological equals?
Besides saying anecdotal evidence, why was he taking twice the amount of a normal man? That doesn't seem right.No it's not acid, but it certainly does alter your perception of things
Here's the This American Life story about a transgendered person who took testosterone for the first time:
It's more that there's a cultural divide brewing where the two "sides" aren't intermixing, which is bad for both.I understand that the military in the US is being used by federal government to redistribute some wealth from rich to poor states. Maybe this is the "phenomenon" she is complaining about and she just hasn't as much first hand knowledge outside richer parts of the US.
Gotta jump-start the transition and essentially put the body through puberty a second time.Besides saying anecdotal evidence, why was he taking twice the amount of a normal man? That doesn't seem right.
No it's not acid, but it certainly does alter your perception of things
Here's the This American Life story about a transgendered person who took testosterone for the first time:
She says some kooky things. And is probably mentally ill (paranoia). She perceives threats lurking around every corner.
Clearly to mimic the group most well-known for having high testosterone levels: scientists.Besides saying anecdotal evidence, why was he taking twice the amount of a normal man? That doesn't seem right.
Obviousyly there are things both men and women do naturally only a loon would argue that. However saying that we have gone too far and civilization is at a decline is hilarious.
I remember that program. I did some research to see if what was said is common for trans-gendered surgeries. It was hard to find but from what I gathered interest in sex usually increases. However his new found interest in science was very abnormal in comparison of what usually happens.
Edit - Though it was for computer science not physics.
I don't know where to start with this.If there is no biological difference then why do a lot of feminists treat woman like children incapable of thinking for themselves?
I don't know where to start with this.
But feminists don't treat women as incapable of thinking for themselves.
Freedom of choice is not freedom from criticism. Of course criticism can go too far....unless those women think or do something feminists generally don't agree with
Off the top of my head girls are incapable of consenting to sex while drunk but guys are. Thats a odd difference being put forth by the same people who say there is no biological difference between the sexes. Or is there something I'm missing?
Did the patriarchy break their spirits down so much that they are incapable of the same decision making skills as guys, their biological equals?
I haven't read all of that, but I disagree with what I have.
We're just starting to move away from maculine values, and that's a good thing. We need to go further.
Also, there is far too much belief in biological differences between genders, where there are none. Evolutionary Psychology is a growing and dangerous pot of sexism. Full of psuedoscience and speculation, occasionally mixed in with real science.
I'm glad that the majority of feminists don't share her beliefs.
Sounds like someone has tricked you into a very twisted and ignorant view of what feminism means and what feminists stand for.
...unless those women think or do something feminists generally don't agree with
What is wrong with masculine values? Shouldn't we have a good balance of both?
I haven't read all of that, but I disagree with what I have.
We're just starting to move away from maculine values, and that's a good thing. We need to go further.
Also, there is far too much belief in biological differences between genders, where there are none. Evolutionary Psychology is a growing and dangerous pot of sexism. Full of psuedoscience and speculation, occasionally mixed in with real science.
I'm glad that the majority of feminists don't share her beliefs.
There is nothing wrong with masculine values so why is it a good thing to move away from them?
I don't think her premises are accurate. The military is still worshipped in the US, manual labour was never a particularly male thing (intellectual work was historically all done by men), there's still quite some debate on nurture vs nature with respect to differences between the sexes, and sexiness is definitely not dead.The military is out of fashion, Americans undervalue manual labor, schools neuter male students, opinion makers deny the biological differences between men and women, and sexiness is dead.
What is wrong with masculine values? Shouldn't we have a good balance of both?
This, there are biological differences and psychological differences between women and men, though they don't have to manifest the way they traditionally have.lol what? Testosterone is a hell of a drug.
I don't think her premises are accurate. The military is still worshipped in the US, manual labour was never a particularly male thing (intellectual work was historically all done by men), there's still quite some debate on nurture vs nature with respect to differences between the sexes, and sexiness is definitely not dead.
What are masculine values?
This, there are biological differences and psychological differences between women and men, though they don't have to manifest the way they traditionally have.
How did I skim over this?"If civilization had been left in female hands," she wrote, "we would still be living in grass huts."
Also, there is far too much belief in biological differences between genders, where there are none.