Luschient
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WWE 2k17 Changes From 2k16 - No Showcase Mode
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Smooth Criminal
Member
Some new videos from IGN today:
Backstage Brawl gameplay
Ladder match gameplay
New Day entrance
I like the look of both gameplay videos. Backstage brawls have some neat touches like being able to climb some of the objects, throwing someone through a door to enter the next area, etc. Nothing confirmed but I'm willing to bet both matches are taking place in Universe mode, which would mean it has incorporated the MyCareer star rating system for matches. If you watch the backstage brawl, you can see Renee Young interviewing someone in the distance. There's probably more to that.
I don't have much in the way of positive comments for New Day's video. Big E is totally phoning in his intro, much like every other voice actor that takes part in the series. The crowd is still as dead as ever, only making any semblence of noise when Xavier plays the trombone. I'd like to be in the room when the audio guys are trying to pull a performance out of the commentators.
Backstage Brawl gameplay
Ladder match gameplay
New Day entrance
I like the look of both gameplay videos. Backstage brawls have some neat touches like being able to climb some of the objects, throwing someone through a door to enter the next area, etc. Nothing confirmed but I'm willing to bet both matches are taking place in Universe mode, which would mean it has incorporated the MyCareer star rating system for matches. If you watch the backstage brawl, you can see Renee Young interviewing someone in the distance. There's probably more to that.
I don't have much in the way of positive comments for New Day's video. Big E is totally phoning in his intro, much like every other voice actor that takes part in the series. The crowd is still as dead as ever, only making any semblence of noise when Xavier plays the trombone. I'd like to be in the room when the audio guys are trying to pull a performance out of the commentators.
Rellik
Member
You could cut cheese on those jaggy edges.
Fix-It Felix. Jr.
Member
Backstage brawls look pretty impressive. It's nice to see that we'll be able to interact with plenty of objects, as well as the environment. It seems like the backstage areas weren't just added as a favour to the fans, but actually have a decent amount of detail put into perfecting the areas. Moreover, the graphics looks surprisingly good.during action sequences and general gameplay. When IGN said there were only three areas you could take the match, did they mean the hallway, locker room, and office? If so, that's kind of disappointing. I'd rather three big areas with smaller rooms, like this hallway, and then a parking lot and somewhere else.
Ladder match looked fine. I really don't think those fixed positions are going to hurt any.
Ladder match looked fine. I really don't think those fixed positions are going to hurt any.
Empyrean Heaven
Member
This week's Suplex City Census Teaser image is up:
Already I can see Big Show (Big and tall store), DDP (Diamond Dallas Jewlery) , American Alpha, Paige, Rusev, (all flags above suplex city electronics), Sheamus (Brogue Kick Saloon), and Carmella (Carmella Lattes on the Bus)
EDIT: And I just found Sasha (her Legit Boss knuckle covers in the jewelry store), Enzo and Cass (Bada Boom Room nightclub), Zack Ryder (The Woo woo woos sign), Mark Henry (Hall of Pain sign top right corner) Titus O'Neill (millions of dollars in the bottom middle with his face on them), Razor Ramon (his gold in the jewelry store), JBL (his outfit in the Big and Tall Store), and Alberto Del Rio (same)
Already I can see Big Show (Big and tall store), DDP (Diamond Dallas Jewlery) , American Alpha, Paige, Rusev, (all flags above suplex city electronics), Sheamus (Brogue Kick Saloon), and Carmella (Carmella Lattes on the Bus)
EDIT: And I just found Sasha (her Legit Boss knuckle covers in the jewelry store), Enzo and Cass (Bada Boom Room nightclub), Zack Ryder (The Woo woo woos sign), Mark Henry (Hall of Pain sign top right corner) Titus O'Neill (millions of dollars in the bottom middle with his face on them), Razor Ramon (his gold in the jewelry store), JBL (his outfit in the Big and Tall Store), and Alberto Del Rio (same)
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
Can I just get a new Smackdown! 2?
Empyrean Heaven
Member
Just found the Revival! (Witness the Revival signs on the very right hand side)
Still have no idea the nun (left of center near the top) and the cat with red eyes (right of center near the top) represent. Cat might be Eva Marie maybe?
Edit: Also found Ric Flair! (WOOOOOO on the license plate on the limo right of center near the top)
Edit: Just realized the nun is likely Sister Abigail, meaning Bray Wyatt. Also there's a microphone with an upside down M, meaning the Miz.
Still have no idea the nun (left of center near the top) and the cat with red eyes (right of center near the top) represent. Cat might be Eva Marie maybe?
Edit: Also found Ric Flair! (WOOOOOO on the license plate on the limo right of center near the top)
Edit: Just realized the nun is likely Sister Abigail, meaning Bray Wyatt. Also there's a microphone with an upside down M, meaning the Miz.
kimifan141
Member
Cant they just feature other showcases ? i would loved a showcase for cena and styles or what about a showcase for dudley boys they sure went through hell of a great matches.
I am bored of crappy universe mode its just not good as how it was in the smackdown series or svr at least 2k had some good footage.
I am bored of crappy universe mode its just not good as how it was in the smackdown series or svr at least 2k had some good footage.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Is the crashed helicopter Hulk Hogan
MarineMountie
Member
In what way do we Beat Up John Cena using AJ Styles first...
After not playing since WWE 13, I'm confident I will enjoy this year's game. I'm mostly buying it because I can finally play as Styles and Becky Lynch in a game. Hope I don't regret it.
After not playing since WWE 13, I'm confident I will enjoy this year's game. I'm mostly buying it because I can finally play as Styles and Becky Lynch in a game. Hope I don't regret it.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Based on IGN comments screenshots have leaked.....they look surprisingly solid (even if the Sasha model looks a tad awkward)
Empyrean Heaven
Member
Joe's model looks amazing.
MarineMountie
Member
Anyone know how the Online plays in this series? I tried it in WWE 13 and it was laggy. Have they improved it at all? Would be awesome to have tournaments and whatnot.
The Elite
BOSS
Online play is shit.
Still not great. They even removed stuff like allowing entrances when playing with your friends. As a package, probably worse than 13.
MarineMountie
Member
That's what I figured. Still not sure what the deal is with 2K. Can't even allow two people to play a wrestling game or basketball game without immense lag, but EA can get 22 people in a FIFA game and it plays flawlessly(most of the time).
Figure your shit out 2K.
Fix-It Felix. Jr.
Member
MY BOYS! The undisputed top guys, the absolute best tag team on the planet, past or present, are making their 2K debut! Talk heavy with the promo engine, hit hard with the gameplay.
They look fantastic. They have the perfect attire. I'm on cloud nine.
I look forward to all the Gillbergs.
He's been really focused on winning this year...
Yuck
N00b Saibot
Banned
Bring back WWF No Mercy
Mechanized
Member
Hearing Lillian Garcia announce Goldberg is just wrong somehow lol.
BoboBrazil
Member
Same old garbage. Horrible graphics when they aren't picking out bullshots from character entrances.
Terrible, pyro botched completely, horrible likeness, limp announcer.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'll chime in and say that The Revival are truly fantastic. Their match at Takeover at he weekend was something else, and their matches with American Alpha were sublime. I'm very high on The Revival right now.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Isn't this the same one from 2K14?
Fix-It Felix. Jr.
Member
No, I'm very serious. The Revival are by far my favourite guys going right now. Between everything that was happening this past weekend, the Revival's match at TakeOver was my most anticipated, and they didn't disappoint. They're consistency in the ring and during promos is definitely something to be admired. They've captured the perfect balance of entertainment and talent showcasing that makes heel teams so amusing. I'm praying with all my might that when they finally get called up they'll get the push that they deserve, and don't just become yet another obsolete tag team.
The top guys taking down the New Day and becoming the new Tag Team Champions is one of the first things I'll be doing in my Universe. They're getting a shameless Balor push.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Good lord, those police models could be right out of the PS2...
Rhazer Fusion
Member
More sim like? Wait, that could explain why imo the older games felt faster and more responsive than the more recent titles? I don't think the simulation gameplay is better than the arcadey gameplay from what I played, but whatever. I really hope they change the submission system. Imo, it was terrible in WWE2k16. I never made a wrestler submit before because it was too difficult and tedious to do so.
The Elite
BOSS
PositiveGamer
Member
Online really discourages me..it is sooooo hard to find anyone... totally disapontment..
Why can't 2K just give us the classic menu of seeing whst matches are available making it way more easier???
PositiveGamer
Member
Go pop your PS2 and come back.. lol
Maybe PS3? But then again what you expect from generic models only needed for a few seconds in a intro?
The Albatross
Member
OH! Thank god! The ladder mechanic for pulling the briefcase or belt off is now seemingly identical to the submission mechanic that everybody complained about last year.
What an improvement. Glad that they implemented something that had such a ground swell of requests.
...
In reality, this sucks. You'll play ladder matches once every 20 matches, beat up your opponent, and then have no idea how to actually get the belt off.
hahaha and what is with this audio... Michael Cole at 1:24 -- "He does. I Guess he. Uh." And then at 0:52... "Up the Ladd.. Here comes Roll... Here comes Ambrose. He ... hm. Here comes Ambrose." "Seth Rollins is looking for the decisive end" [does a neckbreaker off the top of the ladder] " ... ::silence:: "
I guess they're trying to interupt lines when it's no longer relevant. But... how about they just remove the commentary team altogether, unless it's for a showcase mode or something staged.
*edit*
The ladder mechanic actualyl seems way worse than the submission mechanic. A tiny marble goes around a circular track, and you have to match the marble up with a cut in the track and then pull the marble into the inside of the track. HOW IS THIS A PRO WRESTLING GAME
HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR - YES / NO ?
Some goddamn effort and fucking pride in their work?
formated4tv
Member
Completely agree with you. Both 2k15 and 2k16 I never got in a SINGLE online match (on PC to be fair), but still, I would have thought it was at least possible to do. :/
The Albatross
Member
Read through the Forbes preview and watched the IGN video. There is no game series that I have less confidence in the commitment and direction of the development team than WWE 2K series. I don't think it's a developer incompetence issue at all, I think it's a lack of (or improper) direction from the heads of the development teams that don't actually know what will make wrestling games popular again.
The features that they're spending development resources on, like restricting ladder placement to just 3 spots (one in the center of the ring, one in the corner, one on the apron/scaffold) can't seem motivated by anybody asking for it. It seems like they got a bug request from someone saying, like "It's too hard to place the ladder under the belt precisely," (which it is), and then their solution was to totally rebuild ladder placement and make it a fixed element in the ring that you can't control. That is not the right fix. You shouldn't take away the organic features of a game to solve a problem that really isn't that big of a problem.
And, hypothetically, let's say that ladder placement is improved. They counter-balance that by making what looks to be a very convoluted and difficult marble-madness minigame popup when you try to take the belt/briefcase off, which sort of resembles the submission system from WWE 2K16, but also resembles a dumbed down Marble Blast Ultra or Marble Madness, or something. Any gains they made in playability from the "ladder snap" feature are instantly lost by introducing a convoluted, nonsensical marble minigame for taking down the belt. Other gameplay mechanics like pushing the ladder over also seem to have a minigame around them, based on filling up a circle and when the circle is filled up, the ladder gets pushed over.
Listen, Yukes, you're saying in interviews that you're focused on making this game more of a simulation, which I disagree with anyway but if that's your mission, then so be it. But, making something a wrestling simulation does not mean introducing convoluted, abstract minigames to achieve simple goals. That's not a simulation. Removing the player from the action in the ring so that they focus on a small infographic at the top of the screen, and rotate a joystick in various directions, hoping to find the sweet spot that a marble has in a fixed track is not simulating wrestling.
Even beyond that point where abstracting the gameplay out to a series of minigames is not a simulation of wrestling, I have to ask the broader point about what they're trying to simulate. If you're trying to simulate professional wrestling, then simulate professional wrestling. But, I think the team is conflicted: While building a "simulator" they're unsure of whether they're trying to simulate fighting, MMA, or some amalgamation of these things inside of a wrestling ring. Professional wrestling is a work, if you want to make a wrestling simulator, then make it a work. If you don't want to control the action for the player (e.g., a work), then abandon this idea of making a "simulator" or a simulation, and focus on what made older wrestling games great: Simple, easy to grasp gameplay systems that did not distract you from the action in the game, and the challenge of the game was introduced by making more complex strategy elements. That's what made wrestling games great 15 years ago, is that everybody could understand the simple gameplay systems, they didn't abstract or distract you from the game play, and the complexity was introduced by strategy, not gameplay mechanics.
The features that they're spending development resources on, like restricting ladder placement to just 3 spots (one in the center of the ring, one in the corner, one on the apron/scaffold) can't seem motivated by anybody asking for it. It seems like they got a bug request from someone saying, like "It's too hard to place the ladder under the belt precisely," (which it is), and then their solution was to totally rebuild ladder placement and make it a fixed element in the ring that you can't control. That is not the right fix. You shouldn't take away the organic features of a game to solve a problem that really isn't that big of a problem.
And, hypothetically, let's say that ladder placement is improved. They counter-balance that by making what looks to be a very convoluted and difficult marble-madness minigame popup when you try to take the belt/briefcase off, which sort of resembles the submission system from WWE 2K16, but also resembles a dumbed down Marble Blast Ultra or Marble Madness, or something. Any gains they made in playability from the "ladder snap" feature are instantly lost by introducing a convoluted, nonsensical marble minigame for taking down the belt. Other gameplay mechanics like pushing the ladder over also seem to have a minigame around them, based on filling up a circle and when the circle is filled up, the ladder gets pushed over.
Listen, Yukes, you're saying in interviews that you're focused on making this game more of a simulation, which I disagree with anyway but if that's your mission, then so be it. But, making something a wrestling simulation does not mean introducing convoluted, abstract minigames to achieve simple goals. That's not a simulation. Removing the player from the action in the ring so that they focus on a small infographic at the top of the screen, and rotate a joystick in various directions, hoping to find the sweet spot that a marble has in a fixed track is not simulating wrestling.
Even beyond that point where abstracting the gameplay out to a series of minigames is not a simulation of wrestling, I have to ask the broader point about what they're trying to simulate. If you're trying to simulate professional wrestling, then simulate professional wrestling. But, I think the team is conflicted: While building a "simulator" they're unsure of whether they're trying to simulate fighting, MMA, or some amalgamation of these things inside of a wrestling ring. Professional wrestling is a work, if you want to make a wrestling simulator, then make it a work. If you don't want to control the action for the player (e.g., a work), then abandon this idea of making a "simulator" or a simulation, and focus on what made older wrestling games great: Simple, easy to grasp gameplay systems that did not distract you from the action in the game, and the challenge of the game was introduced by making more complex strategy elements. That's what made wrestling games great 15 years ago, is that everybody could understand the simple gameplay systems, they didn't abstract or distract you from the game play, and the complexity was introduced by strategy, not gameplay mechanics.
HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR - YES / NO ?
Good to see face transplant guy getting work.
Dick Justice
Banned
Character model isn't dreadful like in 2K14, but what the fuck is that entrance animation?
Unless you're playing with a friend, it isn't usually worth it. Most of the time when I would try playing randoms in past games, they would always have CAWs with maxed stats, then proceed to counter just about everything you throw at them, and never actually attempt to finish the match, just continue to pummel you until you disconnect or manage to DQ yourself.
BoboBrazil
Member
OH! Thank god! The ladder mechanic for pulling the briefcase or belt off is now seemingly identical to the submission mechanic that everybody complained about last year.
What an improvement. Glad that they implemented something that had such a ground swell of requests.
...
In reality, this sucks. You'll play ladder matches once every 20 matches, beat up your opponent, and then have no idea how to actually get the belt off.
hahaha and what is with this audio... Michael Cole at 1:24 -- "He does. I Guess he. Uh." And then at 0:52... "Up the Ladd.. Here comes Roll... Here comes Ambrose. He ... hm. Here comes Ambrose." "Seth Rollins is looking for the decisive end" [does a neckbreaker off the top of the ladder] " ... ::silence:: "
I guess they're trying to interupt lines when it's no longer relevant. But... how about they just remove the commentary team altogether, unless it's for a showcase mode or something staged.
*edit*
The ladder mechanic actualyl seems way worse than the submission mechanic. A tiny marble goes around a circular track, and you have to match the marble up with a cut in the track and then pull the marble into the inside of the track. HOW IS THIS A PRO WRESTLING GAME
HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR - YES / NO ?
Even more horrid rotate the stick mini games! Just what everyone wanted!!!