ScraftyDevil
Banned
Don't get it twisted, jabroni. LA DIABLA has been on your candy ass since ROUND 1!
You've just made that train gain more steam, brother!
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Don't get it twisted, jabroni. LA DIABLA has been on your candy ass since ROUND 1!
You've just made that train gain more steam, brother!
You are not confronting me either. Please tell me your theory.
CornBurrito
Member
I actually am. I just said you and Scrafty might be scum. That wasn't a benign accusation.
You pretty much allowed for the hammer yesterday Salva. That's scummy as fuck.
you managed to neatly dodge being involved with that without shifting the narrative of the day though didn't you? Almost like you were trying to make sure you were on the right side of history.
You did realize kawl pretty much hammered himself? I was not expecting. I honestly was expecting someone to either put down the hammer or back-off.
Okay, my mind is going all over the place here. Yesterday's turbo and a no-flip has really fucked with my head. It feels like we just removed two players and gained very little information. Anyway, Cabot:
If Cabot was Town:
If this was simply part of his role, it would be fairly anti-town, so I think it's really unlikely. I think it would have been done to him, either by the killer, or a third person who may or may not have been working with the killer. I don't see a reason for a town vig(if there are any left) to have killed Cabot, so I assume Scum or Neutral. Either way, it's just one kill and I expected two. I'll address the single kill more, separately.
If Cabot was Neutral:
This COULD be part of his role, but I have no idea why. Protecting a neutral teammate of some kind? Otherwise, it must have been done to him. Janitor is not a town role, generally, so I would assume Scum in this scenario, or maybe another Neutral. SK Janitor is not that unusual, for example. I'm not sure if Scum had any reason to target him in particular. He hadn't role claimed and hasn't been cleared by anyone. Why not Blarg, Squidy, Scrafty, or Bat? I guess he was less likely to be protected.
If Cabot was Scum:
It could be an inherent part of his role in this case, but who killed him? I doubt we have more town vigs, so it was either a Neutral, or a scum kill backfired. Neutral seems more likely unless anyone has info(but probably don't claim?). He was unlikely to be protected.
I didn't get a Scum read from him at all, though he hasn't seemed to be scum hunting as much as I would expect. I'm like 60/30/10 Town/Neutral/Scum on him.
As for a single kill, I'm really not sure. There's an unaccounted kill on N1, but we're down to 1 kill now. Odd night killer? 1 shot? Role blocked? NK immune target? Decided to just skip a Night to fuck with us?
There are too many possibilies here. Cabot's a good player, and not likely to get protected here, but does he make the most sense for scum? How is batsnacks still alive? If he's town, he pushes LYLO back a day by himself. Squidyj is basically confirmed town, and also a good player. Blarg is fucking blarg. Scrafty has commuter to hide behind.
As for the turbo, it happened at a pretty shitty time for a lot of us, I think. I was eating dinner when the vote count was posted, and Kawl self-turbo'd before I even saw it. Kinda pissed that Salva voted him after seeing the vote count, but even more irritated that Kawl hosed us the way he did.
If Cabot was Town:
If this was simply part of his role, it would be fairly anti-town, so I think it's really unlikely. I think it would have been done to him, either by the killer, or a third person who may or may not have been working with the killer. I don't see a reason for a town vig(if there are any left) to have killed Cabot, so I assume Scum or Neutral. Either way, it's just one kill and I expected two. I'll address the single kill more, separately.
If Cabot was Neutral:
This COULD be part of his role, but I have no idea why. Protecting a neutral teammate of some kind? Otherwise, it must have been done to him. Janitor is not a town role, generally, so I would assume Scum in this scenario, or maybe another Neutral. SK Janitor is not that unusual, for example. I'm not sure if Scum had any reason to target him in particular. He hadn't role claimed and hasn't been cleared by anyone. Why not Blarg, Squidy, Scrafty, or Bat? I guess he was less likely to be protected.
If Cabot was Scum:
It could be an inherent part of his role in this case, but who killed him? I doubt we have more town vigs, so it was either a Neutral, or a scum kill backfired. Neutral seems more likely unless anyone has info(but probably don't claim?). He was unlikely to be protected.
I didn't get a Scum read from him at all, though he hasn't seemed to be scum hunting as much as I would expect. I'm like 60/30/10 Town/Neutral/Scum on him.
As for a single kill, I'm really not sure. There's an unaccounted kill on N1, but we're down to 1 kill now. Odd night killer? 1 shot? Role blocked? NK immune target? Decided to just skip a Night to fuck with us?
There are too many possibilies here. Cabot's a good player, and not likely to get protected here, but does he make the most sense for scum? How is batsnacks still alive? If he's town, he pushes LYLO back a day by himself. Squidyj is basically confirmed town, and also a good player. Blarg is fucking blarg. Scrafty has commuter to hide behind.
As for the turbo, it happened at a pretty shitty time for a lot of us, I think. I was eating dinner when the vote count was posted, and Kawl self-turbo'd before I even saw it. Kinda pissed that Salva voted him after seeing the vote count, but even more irritated that Kawl hosed us the way he did.
CornBurrito
Member
Like why did you place the votes one away from majority? When we still had a bunch of time?
Also I'd like to bring up a wild hypothesis: Squidy as the Serial Killer Neutral.
1. Squidy had a pro-town power. He was able to "prove" himself town by clearing Blarg with his Day Cop ability.
2. Squidy was IMMUNE to the role theif/vanillaizer. That right there is a huge red flag. A serial killer loses the ability to win just about if they lose the ability to kill. Immunity to that shit makes sense only for an SK.
3. I am willing to bet Squidy SK killed Magnum, who claimed vig. I really think squidy might be ascetic day cop.
Xamxiety was a half joke yesterday, but I think that actually might be the case today.
Also I'd like to bring up a wild hypothesis: Squidy as the Serial Killer Neutral.
1. Squidy had a pro-town power. He was able to "prove" himself town by clearing Blarg with his Day Cop ability.
2. Squidy was IMMUNE to the role theif/vanillaizer. That right there is a huge red flag. A serial killer loses the ability to win just about if they lose the ability to kill. Immunity to that shit makes sense only for an SK.
3. I am willing to bet Squidy SK killed Magnum, who claimed vig. I really think squidy might be ascetic day cop.
Xamxiety was a half joke yesterday, but I think that actually might be the case today.
Blargonaut
Banned
LA DIABLA never got a say in yesterday's proceedings because you jabronis decided to END IT IMMEDIATELY instead of getting as much info as you could first.
VOTE: CornBurrito
LA DIABLA is ridin' this train all the way to the end of the line, OOOOOOOH YEAH
▶ brb
Oh NOW you believe what I have been saying all along, now that is you who has the pressure on. That is awfully convenient. I was almost lynched when i suggested something like this.
I was also going to mentionthe fact that I accused scrafty of being neutral basically twice (first time I asked for her win condition) and she chose not to respond to those statements when she responded to something else which digs, for her, a bit of a hole in my eyes. I'm fairly convinced she's not on the scum team but she could just as easily ahve an anti-town win condition and if she does she's going to lie about it.
I'm quite convinced, based on the way CB pushed me on the things I said yesterday, the way he scumread my claim on day 1, the way he avoided kawl, that this dude is scum. So that's where my vote is going.
I'm quite convinced, based on the way CB pushed me on the things I said yesterday, the way he scumread my claim on day 1, the way he avoided kawl, that this dude is scum. So that's where my vote is going.
It would be really tempting to put scrafty and salva as scum, but stuff can't be this obvious, right...? But both of them hinted at the possibility of scum veteran, which is just stupid idea (although in Salva's case, he suggested it would be Scrafty's role), and now the two are quickly joining a band-wagon (I'll admit I haven't been able to read d2 in detail, but that's how this feels like atm).
CornBurrito
Member
Lol, the day phase ended early due to hammer. You're going to try to give me shit for not having a vote on Kawl? Or for not joining in on your turbo?
I actually did comment on the Kawl thing by the way. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199458632&postcount=1811
You put the vote one before hammer. I dont think you expected Kawl to suicide, but you allowed for that hammer by anyone. Scum included. You weren't worried?
CornBurrito
Member
I brought up Xamxiety stuff yesterday. I don't really recall you pushing it that hard.
Squidy's push against Kawl (who ended up being town) and now his push against me (one of the people who brought up that he might be an SK), have made me think that maybe I wasn't wrong to think he's actually an SK.
If I was immune and I wanted to remain hidden I would have just told everyone that the night action against me was successful, unless you think I'm afraid of a watcher?
PS I'm not immune, there is no part of MY role that caused that interaction that night. I choose to believe that some benevolent force protected me from the action. If scum were to target me again tonight there would be every possibility of me being turned vanilla.
Also I told yall that xamxiety shit was going to come around.
like I said you were trying to be on the right side of history, you post a weak read and not enough of a defense or a push in a different direction for you to believe you'd be changing the voting outcome of the day. Then you think you're going to look real fucking townie when kawl turns out to be town, which you know, because you know who's on the scumteam, because you're fucking scum.
This quote is interesting. Salva is sorta joking here, when Blarg says that "he [Blarg] should be contributing", but it could also be scum enjoying the situation of mostly confirmed town not doing that much for the game.
Still in process of re-reading pages 32-38
CornBurrito
Member
Alright so I'm growing fairly convinced that Squidy actually IS neutral killer.
Assuming Cabot was town, all the deaths thus far have been town.
So I want input from everyone. Does town need to keep Squidy alive? An SK can take down scum, and needs to in order to win. Scum will want to kill the SK in order to win. That's an extra night at least where a town player will not be targeted for Night Kill.
I personally think it is better to go after scum today than the neutral killer.
Assuming Cabot was town, all the deaths thus far have been town.
So I want input from everyone. Does town need to keep Squidy alive? An SK can take down scum, and needs to in order to win. Scum will want to kill the SK in order to win. That's an extra night at least where a town player will not be targeted for Night Kill.
I personally think it is better to go after scum today than the neutral killer.
I still doubt Squidy is neutral killer, unless we indeed are facing another #xamxiety situation. Even if he is though, we are quickly running out of time, if there is 5 scum, that means lylo is drawing awfully near now, if they would have already 5/15, they would just 5 more people dead for the win.
There's no fucking way i believe nin immediately reused the xamxiety role. I will eat a shoe if im wrong.
CornBurrito
Member
No I don't think I'm going to look real fucking townie when Kawl turns out to be town. I posted exactly what my thoughts were at the time, that his lynch was coming on to easily, that Scrafty's flip was the most valuable informationwise, and that I thought Salva was scum.
I've made and continue to make a hard stance against Salva. Kawl meanwhile was basically committing suicide the entire time. Which you know, makes it hard to change the tide of the voting. And a hammer didn't help that either.
this is a load of crap offensive defense. You want to make me look like scum to drive the narrative away from yourself, where was this effort when kawl was on the chopping block. what specifically has changed about me since then and now? kawl was town? I thought you already believed that, and if you believed that then nothing should have changed in how you perceived me but you only gave me light jabs up until your own life was in danger and now you're hoping you can capitalize on them.
This claim is interesting. Was anyone approached last night? I would assume if it's scum power, and Scrafty were town, they would aim to neutralise her.
CornBurrito
Member
To be fair this time it is Day Cop Ascetic SK instead of Night Cop Ascetic SK.
It's funny how Scrafty accuses Corn from fading into background, when that exactly what she kept doing in D1 all the time.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Corn is being ridiculous.
CornBurrito
Member
Actually I want you to look like a neutral SK because that's literally what you are. You aren't scum which sadly means that town probably needs to keep you alive to stand any sort of chance against what might be 5 scum.
As for what changed? Cabot's role PM vanished. Which means there literally is some scum vanillaizer or role thief. Which means you actually WERE immune, and it wasn't some fake gambit.
Feel free to tunnel on me if you want. I'll focus on actual scum hunting today.
I have to say I'll love to lynch squid, since I have been saying from day 1, but the fact that you are now on with the plan tells me you are just trying to save yourself.
CornBurrito
Member
I'm actually against lynching Squidy today. As I've said twice.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
It's funny how you're accusing LA DIABLA of not contributing much during Round 1 when that's the way she always behaves in Round 1. Corn pushed very very hard in Round 1 and only faded once his insisntence that squidy was a heel turned out to be incorrect, which to LA DIABLA stinks of a heel backing off once his attempt at removing a potentially problematic power backfired.
THE EVIDENCE IS ALL THERE. Don't be fooled by his beguilery!
this is a garbage argument. If I'm the neutral killer you should kill me. I hasten the end of the game, EVEN IF I'M TRYING TO FIND MAFIA my unilateral action can fail, or I can say I fucked up when I was actually just trying to evenly keep things going so that neither wins. There isn't a good argument to keep me alive if you actually believe I'm an SK. The fact that CB doesn't want me to die really just goes to show that his accusation of me is nothing more than a feint. He's muddying the waters in the hopes that it will save him but he doesn't want to straight up advocate killing me because he knows that.
1. when I die I will show as town.
2. when I die the eyes will turn back onto him.
He doesn't want that, he wants to try to milk this for a few more days of life. he is scum.
Okay, I won't be fooled.
Vote: ScraftyDevil
I'm still not convinced of her so-called town-status at all.
CornBurrito
Member
CornBurrito
Member
Vote: squidyj
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
Scrafty and Salva
If you gonna pre-empt this with whatever you got down your tandem athletic tights you better do it now or forever hold your peace
Because I'm giving you five
count it
FIVE
HOURS (give or take)
5 hours (give or take)
5 hours (give or take) to set up your economy
Stockpile resources
Fortify yourselves
Advance an Age
because I'm coming with catapults and carcasses and I'm gonna sling 'em
right over you
like the plague~
5 hours.
If you gonna pre-empt this with whatever you got down your tandem athletic tights you better do it now or forever hold your peace
Claim whatever you want
Accuse whoever you want
Because I'm giving you five
count it
FIVE
HOURS (give or take)
5 hours (give or take)
5 hours (give or take) to set up your economy
Stockpile resources
Fortify yourselves
Advance an Age
because I'm coming with catapults and carcasses and I'm gonna sling 'em
right over you
like the plague~
5 hours.
So, then.
Looks like people jumped on the Kawl-train really early, and didn't let go. I admit Kawl didn't really make things better with his attitude, but it's now pretty clear that it was most likely a case of really frustrated townie instead of scum. I do want to shout out to all town members to not be suicidal. Fight till the end, otherwise town will lose this game, as it's already looking really bleak.
Now we have a cornburrito train ongoing, it seems. I don't really town-read corn right now (I think Squidyj is not a neutral killer, if he is, Nin will get some angry feedback from me), but the sketchiest two people in my eyes (Salva and Scrafty) are both voting him, which makes me really uneasy.
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This post was being written before nin gave the PM about me being vanilal now. I think this stregthens Squidyj's town status for me.
Looks like people jumped on the Kawl-train really early, and didn't let go. I admit Kawl didn't really make things better with his attitude, but it's now pretty clear that it was most likely a case of really frustrated townie instead of scum. I do want to shout out to all town members to not be suicidal. Fight till the end, otherwise town will lose this game, as it's already looking really bleak.
Now we have a cornburrito train ongoing, it seems. I don't really town-read corn right now (I think Squidyj is not a neutral killer, if he is, Nin will get some angry feedback from me), but the sketchiest two people in my eyes (Salva and Scrafty) are both voting him, which makes me really uneasy.
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This post was being written before nin gave the PM about me being vanilal now. I think this stregthens Squidyj's town status for me.
Why not vote for Salva?
I'm most suspected to be scum? you sure bout that?
If squidy really is the NK, then we need to lynch him immediately.
So if Squidyj were neutral killer, he would be vanillaised of his power, and he wouldn't be any danger to town for the time being. I think more likely explanation here is that he really just was day-check-cop, and the vanillaising failed due to him already using said power during D1.
What I don't understand is why I was vanillaised. If this is a scum power, why would the target just the miller? I seriously doubt vanillaiser is town PR, and neutral power raises the same question as Scum.
What I don't understand is why I was vanillaised. If this is a scum power, why would the target just the miller? I seriously doubt vanillaiser is town PR, and neutral power raises the same question as Scum.
CornBurrito
Member
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