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[Prototype]

I'm not surprised by these reviews at all. All the trailers looked fucking awful. I despised first class with a passion too. DoFP was decent. Though in reality I feel like I've never gotten a proper X-men film. As a longtime comic reader none of the films have measured up. Some of them are very good action films, they are not good X-men films.

Perfect post

 

[catashtrophe]

Until DofP Fox's mutant projects couldn't pass 360million world wide. Currently X:A is tracking poorly, and these reviews wont help.

If it wasn't for Deadpool (which Fox fell ass backwards into) I would be predicting news of F4 being sold back to Marvel by the end of the summer.

X-2 is at 400 mill
X-3 is at 460 mill

Then Deadpool and DoFP have sailed passed 700 Mill

Xmen series may not be a billion dollor franchise but its done very well so i don't get what you are talking about

 

[Slayven]

One of my favorite reviewers

"Black Panther's bodyguard is more memorable than Storm is in X-men Apocalypse"

I sad goddamn

 

[guek]

Why can't you post like this more often?

Because I can only gather life force from dank memes, Slayven

 

[BLACKLAC]

X-2 is at 400 mill
X-3 is at 460 mill

Then Deadpool and DoFP have sailed passed 700 Mill

Xmen series may not be a billion dollor franchise but its done very well so i don't get what you are talking about

Yeah, meant 460. Disney bought Lucas Film for 4 Billion.... All of Lucas film.

I don't see X-men being worth much more than 1 billion, before X:A numbers come in.

One of my favorite reviewers

"Black Panther's bodyguard is more memorable than Storm is in X-men Apocalypse"

I sad goddamn

Who said this?

 

[duckroll]

Anime

 

[jmood88]

One of my favorite reviewers

"Black Panther's bodyguard is more memorable than Storm is in X-men Apocalypse"

I sad goddamn

I don't know why Singer hates Storm so much.

 

[darkhunger]

That makes no sense when the X-men films make more money than more than half of the Marvel studio Films.

That's factually untrue. The only X-Men film that has done that is DoFP. The next best performing X-Men movie was X3 which only outperformed the three non-Iron Man Phase 1 movies.

The fact that Fox has more than enough talent in their ensemble movies and still is unable to outperform certain solo MCU movies is quite damning, actually.

 

[What did he mean by this?]

Between this and the lack of old cast gimmick, I wonder if this will even clear $600 milly.

The New Mutants will have the fresh creative blood this franchise needs.

 

[Blader]

Fox couldn't ask much for it which is why they wont sell.

Fantastic Four for example. Selling that for 500 million would be more than its value at this point. But in the hands of Marvel? Easily passes a billion in a couple of films (something Fox couldn't do in 3 films and counting) and everything else tied up with the rights would extend the MCU another 10 years, at least.

Fox seems to know this, unfortunately.

One report that came out last year around the time FF crashed and burned was that Fox was embarrassed about losing Daredevil and watching Marvel turn that around into a hit Netflix series.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Think I'll just be waiting for the home release to check this out. Are there any spoilers out there explaining what the big deal with (you know what character I'm asking about but put in spoilers any way)

Spoiler

Wolverine is and this supposed new direction talk?

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Fox couldn't ask much for it which is why they wont sell.

Fantastic Four for example. Selling that for 500 million would be more than its value at this point. But in the hands of Marvel? Easily passes a billion in a couple of films (something Fox couldn't do in 3 films and counting) and everything else tied up with the rights would extend the MCU another 10 years, at least.

Fox seems to know this, unfortunately.

Isn't F4 a bit more complicated because Constantin Film own the rights or something?

 

[Principate]

I remember that, it had a pretty decent, though overly hollywood main theme. That and almost every female character had massive breasts for some reason. But hey it was one of few times onscreen that Cyclops was actually the MC, so it had that going for it I guess.

 

[Slayven]

Because I can only gather life force from dank memes, Slayven

Why do we have Bronsonlee instead of you?

Yeah, meant 460. Disney bought Lucas Film for 4 Billion.... All of Lucas film.

I don't see X-men being worth much more than 1 billion, before X:A numbers come in.



Who said this?

http://www.movietrailerreviews.net/index.php/movie/x-men-apocalypse-review/

nerd sight but I like their perspective.

 

[Jarmel]

they already got a director for gambit
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0510731/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

action might be pretty cool going by his past work. director is definitely not gonna be enthusiastic about it though haha. maybe channing tatum will tho.

Liman is directing? Is he doing this before or after the Edge of Tomorrow sequel?

More importantly, why is he wasting his time on this?

 

[catashtrophe]

That's factually untrue. The only X-Men film that has done that is DoFP. The next best performing X-Men movie was X3 which only outperformed the three non-Iron Man Phase 1 movies.

The fact that Fox has more than enough talent in their ensemble movies and still is unable to outperform certain solo MCU movies is quite damning, actually.

Deadpool has outdone all solo MCU movies other than Iron Man 3 and soon Civil War

Its currently 10 million behind Guardians and still to be released in Japan (in a month i think) so if it gets its 10 million from Japan that could have the rankings as being

Avengers
Avengers 2
Iron Man 3
Civil War
Deadpool

 

[Bobby Roberts]

The fact that Fox has more than enough talent in their ensemble movies and still is unable to outperform certain solo MCU movies is quite damning, actually.

Not really.

Marvel is a studio that is focused on doing one thing: Making Marvel movies. That's all Marvel does, and they're funded by Disney. Marvel puts out 2 or 3 movies a year. They're all superhero movies. This is the entirety of their studio's film focus.

Fox is a studio focused on making somewhere around 20-30 feature films every year, in a wide range of genres, at a wide range of budgets. Fox is funded by Fox. They do not get an influx of cash from another studio to solely make superhero films.

It's not really the same.

Fox is not selling X-Men back to Marvel. It's not going to happen. It makes Fox a lot of money, and will continue to do so for a very long time.

 

[jmood88]

Dude what on earth are you talking about

Deadpool has outdone all solo MCU movies other than Iron Man 3 and soon Civil War

Its currently 10 million behind Guardians and still to be released in Japan (in a month i think) so if it gets its 10 million from Japan that could have the rankings as being

Avengers
Avengers 2
Iron Man 3
Civil War
Deadpool

He's not combining Deadpool with the X-Men movies.

 

[Jarmel]

One of my favorite reviewers

"Black Panther's bodyguard is more memorable than Storm is in X-men Apocalypse"

I sad goddamn

To be fair, this is a somewhat high bar.

 

[catashtrophe]

He's not combining Deadpool with the X-Men movies.

Why not, does deadpool not count?

 

[duckroll]

Not really.

Marvel is a studio that is focused on doing one thing: Making Marvel movies. That's all Marvel does, and they're funded by Disney. Marvel puts out 2 or 3 movies a year. They're all superhero movies. This is the entirety of their studio's film focus.

Fox is a studio focused on making somewhere around 20-30 feature films every year, in a wide range of genres, at a wide range of budgets. Fox is funded by Fox. They do not get an influx of cash from another studio to solely make superhero films.

It's not really the same.

Fox is not selling X-Men back to Marvel. It's not going to happen. It makes Fox a lot of money, and will continue to do so for a very long time.

Simon Kinberg sure wishes he was Kevin Feige though!

 

[OSHAN]

To be fair, this is a somewhat high bar.

Who's his bodyguard in Cap 3? i don't even remember.

 

[Akahige]

Liman is directing? Is he doing this before or after the Edge of Tomorrow sequel?

More importantly, why is he wasting his time on this?

He is doing some sniper film for Amazon this year, I wouldn't be surprised if he drops out at some point soon.

I wish he would jump back on Splinter Cell.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

One of my favorite reviewers

"Black Panther's bodyguard is more memorable than Storm is in X-men Apocalypse"

I sad goddamn

Bryan Singer hates black people lets be real

 

[Jarmel]

Who's his bodyguard in Cap 3? i don't even remember.

"Move or you will be moved".

 

[Beefy]

Not really.

Marvel is a studio that is focused on doing one thing: Making Marvel movies. That's all Marvel does, and they're funded by Disney. Marvel puts out 2 or 3 movies a year. They're all superhero movies. This is the entirety of their studio's film focus.

Fox is a studio focused on making somewhere around 20-30 feature films every year, in a wide range of genres, at a wide range of budgets. Fox is funded by Fox. They do not get an influx of cash from another studio to solely make superhero films.

It's not really the same.

Fox is not selling X-Men back to Marvel. It's not going to happen. It makes Fox a lot of money, and will continue to do so for a very long time.

Umm. I didn't say that.

 

[Broken Joystick]

Who's his bodyguard in Cap 3? i don't even remember.

 

[darkhunger]

Why not, does deadpool not count?

Logistically Deadpool is actually a separate movie license that Fox got their hands on. It was owned by New Line Cinema as late as 2005. So the movie is more of a crossover.

Not to mention hes not a member of the X-Men, not a mutant, and the movie itself is completely different tonally from the X-Men films. Not to mention Fox didn't even want to make this version of it for years.

So I don't think Deadpool's performance is indicative of future X-Men film performance, which you seemed to be trying to associate.

Not really.

Marvel is a studio that is focused on doing one thing: Making Marvel movies. That's all Marvel does, and they're funded by Disney. Marvel puts out 2 or 3 movies a year. They're all superhero movies. This is the entirety of their studio's film focus.

Fox is a studio focused on making somewhere around 20-30 feature films every year, in a wide range of genres, at a wide range of budgets. Fox is funded by Fox. They do not get an influx of cash from another studio to solely make superhero films.

It's not really the same.

Fox is not selling X-Men back to Marvel. It's not going to happen. It makes Fox a lot of money, and will continue to do so for a very long time.

So basically the X-Men are low on their priority list and just another franchise for them which explains their inconsistent quality and low performance relative to other Marvel-based movies. How's that not a bad thing again?

 

[BLACKLAC]

"Move or you will be moved".

I wanted this to pop off sooooooo bad.

 

[Effect]

Fox now has the live action TV show rights now. That makes it even less likely they're selling it back. What Fox should do though is sell Fantastic Four back and in addition try to get the game rights and the animation rights for X-men if they don't have them already.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Simon Kinberg sure wishes he was Kevin Feige though!

And even then, his focus is split between being Master of Mutants and assisting Lucasfilm on Star Wars.

So basically the X-Men are low on their priority list and just another franchise for them which explains their inconsistent quality and low performance relative to other Marvel-based movies. How's that not a bad thing again?

It's not ideal for people who only give a shit about the X-Men, no. But I'm not arguing that's the case. I'm arguing why it's ridiculous to entertain any notion that Fox is going to sell the rights to X-Men back to Marvel anytime soon. Mutants make them money. They're going to continue making them money. That the quality of the films isn't up to snuff (as much) as Marvel's isn't "damning" at all, and considering the critical reception of most X-Men movies, that point is in and of itself arguable.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Bryan Singer hates black people lets be real

maybe black teen actors just look too old to him

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

"Move or you will be moved".

The word move was used a lot in the movie.

 

[OSHAN]

Ah, right. Thanks.

 

[The Artisan]

so if this flops both critically and financially, is fox gonna give up? this is supposed to be part of a soft rebooted series isn't it, so if people aren't gonna dig it, then...

 

[catashtrophe]

Logistically Deadpool is actually a separate movie license that Fox got their hands on. It was owned by New Line Cinema as late as 2005. So the movie is more of a crossover.

Not to mention hes not a member of the X-Men, not a mutant, and the movie itself is completely different tonally from the X-Men films. Not to mention Fox didn't even want to make this version of it for years.

Who cares whether Fox wanted to make it or not, film was made its in the Xmen universe so here we are.

If no one wants to count it in then DoFP is right behind Guardians in the box office list which makes it more successful that many of MCU movies bar the ones i menetioned

 

[Bobby Roberts]

so if this flops both critically and financially, is fox gonna give up?

No.

Read the page you're on.

 

[pestul]

The Schmoes review was 'kinda' positive I guess. Mark Ellis' review should count towards one of the fresh RT scores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRWLrMhrJ2I

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Bet Olivia Munn wishes she took Deadpool now (I think that was a bullshit story on her part anyway).

Funny enough I actually really liked Deadpool's girlfriend. Which is weird since I don't care for most romances in comicbook movies.

 

[Broken Joystick]

so if this flops both critically and financially, is fox gonna give up? this is supposed to be part of a soft rebooted series isn't it, so if people aren't gonna dig it, then...

Even if this does flop, I imagine they'll just continue along with Gambit and then mine that X-Men character pool for the next three decades.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

so if this flops both critically and financially, is fox gonna give up? this is supposed to be part of a soft rebooted series isn't it, so if people aren't gonna dig it, then...

I doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if they switched up writers though.

 

[dabig2]

Bryan Singer hates black people lets be real

Black mutants have definitely been catching L's in this 2nd X-Men trilogy. Lackluster Storm. Future Bishop was the most forgettable, inconsequential future X-Man. And Darwin....fucking Darwin....fuck you First Class.

 

[y2dvd]

FOX can keep Xmen. Just give FF back to the MCU so they can use Doom. ;_;

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

It's crazy how well X-men 2 and even Spider-man 2 still hold up. I would actually put Blade 1 in with that group as well for films of that era that I would be willing to put up against any superhero film coming out today from either Marvel, WB, Sony, or Fox.

After BvS which I enjoyed a LOT. Enough to see multiple times I need to see X-men: Apocalypse myself. I rarely trusted film reviewers anyway but I took certain things into consideration but when things are hyperbolic or approach it that's when I shut them out completely.

Also the X-men going back to Marvel would be the worst thing. They don't have the time or resources to have that many balls in the air. Also you could kiss goodbye any serous themes with the X-men if they got them back. At least as serious as they honestly should be. The jokes, and I enjoy Marvel films, would be highly inappropriate. Even more so then they are now with some Marvel Studios films.

Yes. Never let the X-Men be funny. Be true to the source material which is joyless and bereft of any light.

 

[Garlador]

I don't know why Singer hates Storm so much.

Remember in the comics when she was the actual LEADER of the ENTIRE TEAM?

Geez, I've been waiting 16 years for her to just take control. She was worshipped as a goddess. She was leader of the most powerful team on earth and had their utmost respect. She united the Morlocks. She became Queen of Wakanda.

And she's just so small-time in the X-men films.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

FOX can keep Xmen. Just give FF back to the MCU so they can use Doom. ;_;

If Old Man Logan is the last Wolverine movie, I can see them using Doom as one of the villains.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Who's his bodyguard in Cap 3? i don't even remember.

She walks to a car next to him one time.

 

[guek]

Honestly, despite being an enormous X-men fan, I'm a bigger fan of the MCU and I think Marvel regaining the rights would do more harm than good. Mutants have too many historical ties to be believably weaved back into the MCU proper. Any attempt to do so would feel so forced, it'd drive the whole universe down.

Just give them back fantastic 4, ya limey bastards

 

[Sulik2]

so if this flops both critically and financially, is fox gonna give up? this is supposed to be part of a soft rebooted series isn't it, so if people aren't gonna dig it, then...

It doesn't need a reboot, they need Bryan Singer gone, Matthew Vaughn back directing and new screen writers.

 

[jmood88]

Yes. Never let the X-Men be funny. Be true to the source material which is joyless and bereft of any light.

And it's not like the movies have been super-serious vehicles for deep social commentary.