oldergamer
Member
Not opt out. I'm talking the same functionality you have with the current connect. you know the one people don't have a HUGE problem with as it's watching and listening to you?
My god some of you people are just out of control!
Xbone: Microsoft blames the media for consumer rage.
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Not opt out. I'm talking the same functionality you have with the current connect. you know the one people don't have a HUGE problem with as it's watching and listening to you?
My god some of you people are just out of control!
Obviously they are all bullshit, but some concepts are more damaging than others. For example, both my PC and my phone are open hardware platforms, which already gives me as far more control and mitigates some of the drawbacks of closed distribution systems.
When models that clearly limit consumer freedom are introduced on platforms that are already under absolute control of a single corporate entity (such as consoles), then that is the last chance for people to resist. I'm happy that some realize this.
StreetsAhead
Member
Here is what you said:
We know that Kinect must be connected for the console to work (unless Microsoft has issued another statement). Being able to turn it's always on, always listening, and always watching features off would only be a mild step up from not being able to at all, in my opinion.
That's all I meant.
Sorry if that disrupts your 'everyone hates Xbox for no reason!' narrative.
Gaming is important to me though and even if I don't get an Xbox One, it will affect the entire market and the features and systems, as they are announced now, sound like the last place I want gaming to go. It has nothing to do with Xbox/Microsoft doing this and everything to do with the proposals themselves - I would be just as mad and loud about Nintendo or Sony doing it.
And if you honestly think we should wait for Microsoft to announce more details, then I'd argue that Microsoft should have either been prepared to announce the policies in full from the start, or kept quiet entirely, instead of talking about them piecemeal and then clamming shut.
Yep, what the fuck is with so many companies recently demanding people like what they tell them to like instead of meeting people's needs?
Stupid cunts.
The only people that is out of control are people like you that defend companies against criticism because you are too childish to understand the problems with what they are doing!
You can say "cunt" around here. It's the only appropriate word around here for this situation.
If a meteor crashes into Apple's datacenter, I can still play the games I have installed on my iPad just fine. Not so much with the Xbox One.
Wake me up when Sony announces the same thing, and it comes out the reason Microsoft is being unspecific right now is due to not wanting to tip their hand to Sony.
Most of the (few) levelheaded people are going to die laughing when this happens.
And it IS going to happen. Microsoft didn't do this on their own. The publishers are driving the car here.
travisbickle
Member
But all the rumours we received about this were from information given to publishers/developers to show the eco-system of the One.
If it was happening with the PS4 we would have heard by now.
Diablohead
Member
What did microsoft expect when last week they showed us the next generation of set top box running windows 8? that was not a console we saw, it was a 3rd party cable box which needs an extra piece to even function as one.
They really should have made the conference longer and threw some real time games in there, not rendered target footage from EA of all people...
They really should have made the conference longer and threw some real time games in there, not rendered target footage from EA of all people...
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Wow atleast Sony took every punch the media and consumers throw at them and turn that shit around and acknowledged publicly to their fuck ups.
Blaming others for your own mistakes is the start of denial and the first step to failure.
You are really out of touch MS
Blaming others for your own mistakes is the start of denial and the first step to failure.
You are really out of touch MS
Not only do you have no proof that Sony is doing anything like this, but even if they did it is does not take way from what MS is doing one bit! It would just mean Sony are also cunts!
Level headed people would not defend this no matter who is doing it!
So this statement: "Microsoft blames the media for consumer rage" is the same thing as "Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete"?
Which part of the sentence assigns blame? Which part of the sentence directs the reason for that blame at media outlets? Which part of that sentence regards consumer backlash?
Which part of the sentence assigns blame? Which part of the sentence directs the reason for that blame at media outlets? Which part of that sentence regards consumer backlash?
semiconscious
Member
if you know your competition will be doing the same thing you are, why would you be concerned about 'tipping your hand' to them?...
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
If this is true than PS4 may be DOA. No one will want to publish their games on a system that doesn't give them money on resales.
I can see it now. Every gamer owns a PS4 because it doesn't screw them over. Every publisher publishes on XBone because it doesn't screw them over. No games for anyone, no money for anyone.
Paracelsus
Member
It's two markets against one, you are assuming many people from outside the U.S.A. will fall for this legalized scam. There's only so much you can nickle and dime people.
That would be a great starting situation for the market to fix itself.
StreetsAhead
Member
Sony and Microsoft both doing the same thing is a worse situation, not a better one.
I can't tell who's joking anymore. I really can't.
How about it's MS' own fault for being so laughably disorganised. To supposedly have worked on a new console for years, yet not be able to do something so simple as communicate one message to the company so they don't create confusion, is ridiculous.
The other possible explanation, that they have so badly misjudged their potential customer base that they expected to introduce these measures without any backlash whatsoever, and after seeing the reaction are now scrambling furiously to either change them or find a way to spin them into something that sounds half decent, is even worse.
This entire reveal so far has been a complete joke.
The other possible explanation, that they have so badly misjudged their potential customer base that they expected to introduce these measures without any backlash whatsoever, and after seeing the reaction are now scrambling furiously to either change them or find a way to spin them into something that sounds half decent, is even worse.
This entire reveal so far has been a complete joke.
Majukun
Member
WE are driving the car.
it's PR's job to make you think otherwise,and seems like they are doing their job well
Nobody said that it was a great situation.
However, it's inevitable that these games are getting locked down. I personally do not get the wailing, but I've also been primarily a PC gamer for most of my life.
I remember having close to the same outrage when Steam came onto the scene, but when the benefits became apparent, I cared a lot less. Primarily, the cost of games came down, more games were published, indie games became more successful, it all worked out in the end.
It really isn't as big of a deal. The fact that Microsoft will have a mechanism for trading games in is already more than I have today in the PC world.
As for OP, I don't think the media is at fault. If anything, their overall response has been more measured and low key than the overreactive hyperbole festivals that have been Internet forums this week.
HocusPocus
Member
Exactly.
BruiserBear
Banned
What's amazing to me is that Microsoft thinks the media is being unfair and hard on them. The truth is the media has been extremely kind to them so far. If Microsoft thinks this is bad, just imagine how they'd feel if the gaming media actually did criticize them.
What I fully expect to have happen is the following. Sony announces they will have a very similar used game policy to Microsoft. The gaming media and Xbox fanboys will herald "see they're both doing the exact same thing!"
While completely ignoring the fact that Sony isn't doing always online DRM checks, and demanding you have a large camera hooked up to the console for it to even function.
What I fully expect to have happen is the following. Sony announces they will have a very similar used game policy to Microsoft. The gaming media and Xbox fanboys will herald "see they're both doing the exact same thing!"
While completely ignoring the fact that Sony isn't doing always online DRM checks, and demanding you have a large camera hooked up to the console for it to even function.
No. There are other means like DLC and online pass esq programs. Plus a sale is a sale and not bringing your title the most likely dominant platform would be idiotic.
blindrocket
Member
Time to send out some expensive gift packs to the media.
Free Xbones to the press!
Free Xbones to the press!
I totally agree with you
Miles Quaritch
Member
I read the link in the OP and I don't see the part where MS is blaming the media for anything.
Seems to be nothing more than a sensational headline. What am I missing?
BruiserBear
Banned
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-digs-bigger-hole-over-used-games/1100-4647/
Major Nelson made a statement stating "reports of our policy have been inaccurate".
Aaron Greenberg also complained about a Kotaku article on Twitter.
Miles Quaritch
Member
O....kay.
I'm still not seeing where MS blame the media for consumer outrage. I see them saying reports are inaccurate and incomplete, in no small part thanks to their ridiculously poor and convoluted official line on the subject, but not seeing where they blame the media.
Which article?
Sushen
Member
I don't know why but in every generation, this happens to the market leader. Everyone remembers get a second job comment for ps3 and how invincible Sony was and what actually happened.
Yeah some of the articles are so off that they almost seem like they're pressured or paid to spin it pro xbone.
BruiserBear
Banned
When you say there has been inaccurate reporting on your policies, you are suggesting the media have caused all this confusion, rather than Microsoft's pathetic handling of these announcements. They're BLAMING the media.
http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-uncertainty-principle-509582525
At some point, you get to the point where the mass market doesn't care.
And given that they've been buying the crap out of games with online activation codes already, and Kinect already sold by the boatload, I'm going to assert that we are already there.
I don't think there are as many "Xbox fanboys" as you believe, unless you count the people who are trolling/making fun of people who go into hyper reactive crazy mode about every small development in gaming they don't like.
Sony's arrogance stemmed from an insanely difficult to program for system and pricing it at DOUBLE the competition. As neither company is going to make that mistake, the playing field is much more level. I don't see used games or Kinect being anywhere near as important as $599.
Sushen
Member
Ok, let me connect the dots for you. When their information is inaccurate and incomplete, those MS reps called media being inaccurate and incomplete as if their parts were accurate and complete. Got it?
It's funny that we keep hearing how the philosophy of keeping things simple and sticking to games is outdated and would kill the industry. I'm sorry, but it's quite the contrary, in my opinion.
If we keep supporting shit like this, then it is going to get so bad that the industry will eventually just eat itself. Ever increasing control, more DLC, retailer exclusives, jumping through hoops to even lend a game, etc. People will get to a point where it's just not worth the trouble and money anymore, then they will indeed move on to stick to things like phones and tablets. People can be sheep, but they also hate hassle, intrusion of privacy, ad bombardment and non-stop milkage. There is always that breaking point, and we are getting closer to it because of things like this.
If we keep supporting shit like this, then it is going to get so bad that the industry will eventually just eat itself. Ever increasing control, more DLC, retailer exclusives, jumping through hoops to even lend a game, etc. People will get to a point where it's just not worth the trouble and money anymore, then they will indeed move on to stick to things like phones and tablets. People can be sheep, but they also hate hassle, intrusion of privacy, ad bombardment and non-stop milkage. There is always that breaking point, and we are getting closer to it because of things like this.
Tell us how you really feel.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Hmm. Saying the reports are inaccurate/incomplete isn't really blaming the media, but I can see how some reached that conclusion.
Seems a reasonable article by Kotaku standards after a quick scan, what were Greenberg's complaints?
BruiserBear
Banned
We're not talking about the mass market though. We're talking about the facts as they are. The facts are that even if Sony has a similar used game policy, that still doesn't mean Microsoft and Sony are doing the same. Microsoft are making three big anti consumer changes with their new console. The used game policy is just one of the three, and for me the used game policy is the smallest of the changes.
He claimed the percentages quoted from him were inaccurately reported in the article.
GillianSeed79
Member
Creepy Kinect 2.0 aside, the problem is that if Sony does implement a similar used game policy as Microsoft it will likely require some form of DRM and the console to be always on. That's the entire reason MS can get away with what they will do with their used game policy. In the case of MS, how do you think they are going tell when you trade in a game? How do you think they are going remove your license to own it?
I'll put it this way. If Sony adopts a similar policy sans DRM and always on what would happen if someone went out and bought 50 PS4 games, installed all of them on their hard drive, went back and traded all of them in and then simply disconnected their PS4 from the internet?
I'm of Weekend Confirmed's opinion that Sony is going to be doing the same thing and the entire reason they are being quiet right now is because they want MS to get all the heat for stuff that they are going to implement too.
BoboBrazil
Member
What sane company tells over 40% of their userbase to fuck off? Because that is basically what Microsoft is doing to the over 30 million people that never took their 360 online.
Arrogance seems to come quickly to those who do well in a generation.
Hey, that is the world we live in. They need to get with the times. Maybe they should all just move and/or get better jobs, so they can enjoy the fruits of the modern age.
Sarcasm there, obviously. But that seems to be their attitude.
BoboBrazil
Member
I just wonder how stores will handle all the returns when consumers take them home, realize internet is required, and then have to take them back to the store. How will parents feel when they find out this thing has a camera and mic always on in their kid's bedroom?