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[Phoenix]

Doesn't AMD have a processor coming out that's like.... well its incredibly faster than Intel's current line?


Something like AMD's 2.5mhz chip can go up to 3.5mhz.... while Intel's fastest chip goes only at like 2.7mhz.

I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. but somebody make sense of it for me.

Clock speed doesn't matter anymore. Its all about how much the CPU can do per clock. AMD does appear to have multicore CPUs coming out before Intel, however.

 

[Shompola]

I'm actually referring to today. There weren't and Pro or XT GeForce 3 cards back then.

I am pretty much sure he's referring to Ti 200, Ti 500 etc.

 

[Phoenix]

I am pretty much sure he's referring to Ti 200, Ti 500 etc.

Yeah, that's why I chose Pro and XT specifically because that marketing/branding campaign came fairly recently and at a time where they were yielding one type of card and disabling half the pipelines for the lower end part.

 

[Shompola]

Yeah, that's why I chose Pro and XT specifically because that marketing/branding campaign came fairly recently and at a time where they were yielding one type of card and disabling half the pipelines for the lower end part.

Ohh that is correct. Sorry I missed that part. Yah you're absolutely right. In 2001 and before that the updates were more or less type of RAM, speed of RAM, core and similiar stuff. But as you said XT and PRO now not only referr to those old upates but also change in number of pipelines etc. So in a way I understand that the Geforce GPU would today be classified as a geforce 3 XT more than anything else.

 

[celestial body]

Pimpwerx: this is a diagram that came out a while ago. We don't know if it's authentic as it came from a chinese bbs but it fits with practically all the more 'credible' recent rumours.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture/?src=/images/news/2004-04/xbox2_scheme_bg.gif&1=1

EDIT: Although it says 48 ALU ops/cycle and now it's 96, no?

 

[Phoenix]

Pimpwerx: this is a diagram that came out a while ago. We don't know if it's authentic as it came from a chinese bbs but it fits with practically all the more 'credible' recent rumours.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture/?src=/images/news/2004-04/xbox2_scheme_bg.gif&1=1

One question - why are there Microsoft Word underlines in the block diagram?

 

[Shogmaster]

One question - why are there Microsoft Word underlines in the block diagram?

Created on Word?

BTW, I assume sound is done by the southbridge like the XBox.

 

[DopeyFish]

Created on Word?

BTW, I assume sound is done by the southbridge like the XBox.

Sound is done on the cpu, though on the southbridge there is an XMA decoder... which would be Xbox's hardware supported sound codec

 

[Phoenix]

Created on Word?

I mean normally when you get a presentation hard copy or in powerpoint you don't have these underlines in them. Just curious why they would be there in an official block diagram

 

[DopeyFish]

I mean normally when you get a presentation hard copy or in powerpoint you don't have these underlines in them. Just curious why they would be there in an official block diagram

afaik most of this stuff is sent in .docs through email... not hardcopy

 

[Shogmaster]

Sound is done on the cpu, though on the southbridge there is an XMA decoder... which would be Xbox's hardware supported sound codec

Sounds done on CPU? WTF is this, N64? Bomb bomb.....

 

[COCKLES]

I don't think you can compare the core specs to a full blown 3d card spec. It's not going to have all the RAM that a video card has to help on a PC. Along with all the ram on the main motherboard of a PC. The shared pool of memory will hinder it.

Yeah but never forget dedicated console programming for a set target platform. Look at Half Life 2...with massive processors and huge memories of today's PC's HL2 stutters and loads like a monkey....compare that to the 64MB no-loading of Halo 2. Most PC devs waste memory like theres no tommorow simply because they can.

 

[DopeyFish]

Sounds done on CPU? WTF is this, N64? Bomb bomb.....

Hit to the cpu will be EXTREMELY minimal. You might be looking at a whole .5-1%!

 

[Shogmaster]

Hit to the cpu will be EXTREMELY minimal. You might be looking at a whole .5-1%!

Doing 5.1/6.1 and DTS and crap? But then again, we are assuming this tri-core business is legit......

 

[Tenkei]

ATI's greatest achevement, the 9700, was not developed by them IIRC. They, unfortunately have been sticking with that tech a little too long now.

Funny thing about that. In an interview with Orton, the man behind the ArtX team who is now the head of ATI, ArtX didn't design the 9700. The engineers at ATI already had the 9700 design completed when ArtX was acquired, but they had no idea how to market the thing. Orton described ATI as a group of very talented engineers but terrible business people.

 

[Nerevar]

Funny thing about that. In an interview with Orton, the man behind the ArtX team who is now the head of ATI, ArtX didn't design the 9700. The engineers at ATI already had the 9700 design completed when ArtX was acquired, but they had no idea how to market the thing. Orton described ATI as a group of very talented engineers but terrible business people.

I believe this. Lots of good technical companies are very poor at marketing.

 

[Argyle]

By the way is Micheal Abrash still in the team?

No, I don't think so - I think he is working on the Pixomatic software renderer for RAD Game Tools now...

 

[Subitai]

Better start stoking up on popcorn and hotdogs for the screen shot battles to come.


I do think PS3 with assembly gurus will take the graphics crown, but that's not as important as used to be considering the majority of top selling games just on PS2 this gen aren't the best looking.

Anyway, you heard it hear first. Killzone 3 will look better than Halo 3.

 

[Nerevar]

Anyway, you heard it hear first. Killzone 3 will look better than Halo 3.

Yes, and the game itself will still suck. [/troll]