crimsonspider89
Banned
You do realize power comes on about two weeks typically before internet connection restored right?
Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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This could work, but it still requires hardware at retailers, and there's the issue of not being able to activate your game if you buy it from a private seller. Places like eBay have consumer protection for that but it's not always the case on other sites.
Large DDOSes are pretty easy to handle for big companies with hardware mitigation on their border (ie. every large tech company). They could cause some strife, but within 30-60 minutes it would be like they weren't doing anything.
There's a reason Anonymous doesn't target Google, MS, Amazon, Facebook and the like.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I've already resigned to building up my retro library and take whatever trickles down the Wii U pipeline should it come to that.
Well, I'd expect a huge and international corporation such as Microsoft, which has official partners and offices all over the world, including in my country, to craft a system that works pretty much everywhere. I thought the so called power of the cloud eliminated the boundaries of space - isn't that the whole point? Why rely on a system that is based on location?
Neuromancer
Member
Yeah why the hell can't they just do this?!
Agent Dale Cooper
Banned
I didn't say its obvious they'll support it in 20 years. I just said its a false argument to imply they won't be as if its factual.
I'm no saying anyone's concerns are invalid either. I "get" the opposition. But treating worst case scenarios as fact doesn't help.
Version 3.0
Member
What Microsoft is doing is not just applying DD game limitations to disc games. DD games don't require once-a-day check-in, nor do they cease working at some indeterminate point in the future.
It's true they can't be (individually) re-sold, lent or borrowed, but that isn't done specifically to screw consumers. It's just a side effect of the medium. If Microsoft was designing the system to function the same as a current one, but adding a DD resale system - in effect becoming the DD version of Gamestop - I'd applaud them.
But that isn't what they're doing. This is not the worst possible scenario, but it's still terrible, and not a cent of my ~$2000 - $3000 a year of gaming spend is not going to the Xbox one.
It's true they can't be (individually) re-sold, lent or borrowed, but that isn't done specifically to screw consumers. It's just a side effect of the medium. If Microsoft was designing the system to function the same as a current one, but adding a DD resale system - in effect becoming the DD version of Gamestop - I'd applaud them.
But that isn't what they're doing. This is not the worst possible scenario, but it's still terrible, and not a cent of my ~$2000 - $3000 a year of gaming spend is not going to the Xbox one.
maabus1999
Member
I have a feeling subscription based or subsidized console from MSFT is a high possibility with the SKY negotiations plus the 360 sub test. It is a great way to move consoles honestly for those who don't want to pay all upfront.
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Deleted member 752119
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Just limiting it to only one log in out of the 10 being able to access the game library at one time would solve that issue though--and that was how I read that part of their announcement site.
That way people in a household can access all the games in the house, but people have a disincentive to let others on their account (like wiith PSN gamesharing) since they couldn't play anything if someone else was login and playing.
I'd be very surprised if this was more than just a way to let everyone in one household access the game library just like they can the game disc library now.
Or maybe if simultaneous play is allowed it requires consoles to be on the same network (for people with more than one Xbone in the house).
See what I said above.
BoboBrazil
Member
Cross check your facebook account and contacts with the kinect sensor to make sure the people are actually related to you
Jake Tower
Banned
I'm sorry. Sooooooo sorry. I'm ashamed.
SkoomaSuckinSwit
Member
I didn't fully see it that way, you're right.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I like physical games. (My new vs used game purchases are about 50/50.)
Renting, buying old games used, loaning them out to friends (who aren't connected to XBL).
I wouldn't have nearly the physical collection I have now, if it weren't for GameFly used game sales.
I don't want this to change.
There won't be an Xbox One hooked up to my TV. Ever.
Your move, Sony.
seattle6418
Member
Calling it right now: over 90% of XBone games will use the cloud, so they will be always connected. Offline mode will be for just a few select garbage titles in the beginning.
CambriaRising
Member
Cross check your facebook account and contacts with the kinect sensor to make sure the people are actually related to you
Submit and validate social security numbers which cross check with notarized birth certificates.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Such a loophole would easily be exploited using VPNs, therefore it's unlikely to exist.
maabus1999
Member
Honestly not sure why myself as it seems the easiest way to do it, except for one: The Publishers getting a cut of used game sales.
Which again makes me think Sony is playing along with the big boys, or MSFT is going to be basically the most "favored" company by the big boys just because they can capture more revenue back.
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Deleted member 752119
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It doesn't really require hardware at retailers other than a register system that can connect to servers.
Would probably work the same as activating Xbox live cards, PSN cards etc. Stores have to be able to connect to the activation servers to be able to sale them.
It would make person to person sales more risky for sure though. Just not much of a way around that though. Will be moot once we're fully digital though since there wouldn't be anyway to transfer a digital game license to someone else if it hadn't been deactivated first as the system simply wouldn't allow it. But would definitely be a problem with install discs as you never know if its really been deactivated until you tried to install in on your system.
Knux-Future
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Tricky I Shadow
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antiquegamer
Member
Because people want to be able to sell used game.
Many of the restrictions are because there will always some people that abused the system. Thus is why we can't have nice thing.
Neuromancer
Member
None of these have any direct connection to what's going on now, let's not lose focus here.
VaughnDescen
Member
If there is one word that I could use to describe all this (bad)information coming from Microsoft it would be "suffocating". I could eventually deal with all their shitty requirements. But, the fact that one day the servers WILL go down and I will lose any right to play my content (which I guess is a license to USE the content, not own) is a deal breaker. I bust out my NES, SNES, Genesis, Dreamcast and other's all the time. I was good to them and they are still good to me.
Microsoft, you have tripped on your shoe laces on the way to the race and you still haven't tied them!
Microsoft, you have tripped on your shoe laces on the way to the race and you still haven't tied them!
maabus1999
Member
Publishers could require online activation, even though Sony says "you don't need to be online to play ever." It is a gray area that can be tap danced.
And once a disc is activated, it can't be again. The big publishers can basically make it that there is no used games period if Sony doesn't come up with an across the board solution.
Jest Chillin
Member
Power has a much higher priority and is restored asap. Looking past just the inconvience of no lights and no fridge, having no power also painfully cripples Retail (you know.. like Grocery Stores). It's pretty much a necessity in First World countries. The same is not true of internet service.
Link?
It won't come to that and they wouldn't do it. Either it's two people simultaneous play or not simultaneous. Either way, people could save money. However if simultaneous play for two people is allowed, then this is a huge deal.
Wildstar75
Member
Microsoft had a damage control guy anwering all kinds of questions on Twitter. So I asked a few. They just responded to my question on Twitter
@XboxSupport:
@Kenneth_Toy In fact, up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on ANY Xbox One console.
@ElioQ:
@XboxSupport @majornelson Any Xbox one,got it.But how many fam members incl. me can play my game(same game) simultaneously and define family
@XboxSupport:
@ElioQ Full details here: xbx.lv/XBOlcns That's all of the info we have right now. ^CW
So apparently they will answer others questions but mine....Nothing right now!
@XboxSupport:
@Kenneth_Toy In fact, up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on ANY Xbox One console.
@ElioQ:
@XboxSupport @majornelson Any Xbox one,got it.But how many fam members incl. me can play my game(same game) simultaneously and define family
@XboxSupport:
@ElioQ Full details here: xbx.lv/XBOlcns That's all of the info we have right now. ^CW
So apparently they will answer others questions but mine....Nothing right now!
copelandmaster
Member
I cannot believe this
I'm out.
I'm out.
UnblessedSoul
Member
This is a trainwreck, nothing more to say
NullPointer
Member
All games need to be installed. An initial auth check is done at install time to activate the copy.
Afterwards, if the disk is in the drive, no auth check to play, so no online needed to play that installed game. Ever.
If the disk isn't in the tray, require an online auth check to play.
Web/Mobile/Dashboard like trade window that allows two online accounts to trade licenses. You could trade between friends or at a retailer with web access.
Whenever a console is online, all license data is refreshed. If a system never goes online it cannot install new games or apps, or play any already installed games without the disk in the tray.
Thats a first go at it - and it may be flawed, but there are much smarter people than me that could do it better, or come up with several alternatives. The point is that perfection shouldn't be the goal, discouraging and limiting abuse should be the goal.
Dark Rider
Member
Thank you MS you just confirmed that I save whatever your console cost.
I hope your model (DRM, always online, rents/trades/resell/give away) crash and burn
I hope your model (DRM, always online, rents/trades/resell/give away) crash and burn
Uh search my posts..I must have quoted it or at least said "SCEA Employee" on the same page.
Playing POE at the moment
Thanks for asking. I doubt any of the major press outlets will. It's a simple question with a simple answer.
Big publishers cant dictate what Sony does with first party releases, nor can they with Japanese publishers, or Europeon developers. They can only dictate what happens with their games.
antiquegamer
Member
I like the family plan if they can make that work, my biggest gripe with Steam and having to share my account with my kid.
maabus1999
Member
Still leaves the Publisher/Developer out in some cases. I really think the GiantBomb article is correct as it makes the most sense for this sort of DRM system: the publishers were the driving force that all used/traded games give them some sort of revenue sharing.
revisionup
Banned
In my opinion, since they used the word "family" I would assume they are referring to people directly in your household. So the accounts you "share" with probably have to have been registered on the system that the main account was registered on.
Then, lets say you boot up your game on your main console and you unplug. Now if one of your family log into their account at a friends house, they can check out the same game, but because it's another console it would only run for an hour. Meanwhile, you can run it 24 hours without having to reconnect. If you were both connected I doubt they would allow both of you to play at the same time.
Btw, just to clarify my own stance, I am against this entire "24 hour check" system in every way possible.
BumbleBee Castle
Member
If these M$ blunders were conjured up by one man, the astoundingly myopic foresight and lack of good judgement could of at least had a plausible explanation, but the fact that an actual TEAM got together and thought this through, as if it were some great collection of ideas demonstrates how out of touch M$ really are.
Looks like Sony is poised to steamroll right over the competition this time around.
Looks like Sony is poised to steamroll right over the competition this time around.
GANGSTERKILLER
Member
Unbelievable! They really want total control of every Xbox gamer, it has gone way too far Microsoft! All those rumors has become cold hard facts now.
They can have all the megatons in the world at E3 and I still won't support this system. Never. And I have the original Xbox and Xbox 360 with lots of games.
Now put up a fake smile at the press conference Don Mattrick and pretend like nothing happened...
Maybe? I'm on my 3rd 360 and I haven't used it in at least 2 years.
It doesn't matter how reliable your hardware it is. It's always less reliable than whatever the latest PC you have. Single console will die way faster than N PCs. And the newest PC not only plays games faster, but it's actually backwards compatible.
Congrats. My DC's power supply flaked out (reboots about 5 minutes into a game), and I had 2 360s die.
My point is you are getting fucked with software licenses with Xbox1 without the guarantee of being able to play it on any future device like you can with Steam/Windows.