RocketSurgeryTV
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I feel sorry for GameFly. 
Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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For the Xbone or PS4? PS4 seems to be more in the wind.
deals just aren't done yet it seems and publishers seemingly do not want rental games in the new game window so sounds like no 3rd party will allow rental in the opening window
VeryGooster
Banned
I feel sorry for GameFly.
I imagine they'll have some sort of partnership worked out. Look forward to the GameFly channel coming soon on Xbox One!
xn0
Member
All of this has been coming for a while now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixqwOIByMAc
"Wouldn't it be great"
DD rentals yes please
Ban Puncher
Member
Gamer @ Heart
Member
I think i would enjoy seeing a thread in 7 months of side by side quotes from people in this thread hating on these policies (of which i too dont like) and claiming not to support the system, with posts in the launch thread by the same people that strongly suggest they bought the system or enjoying/discussing their experiences in XBO OTs.
I just know so many people will break when the times comes and the strong words here mean shit when there is a game they really want to play.
I just know so many people will break when the times comes and the strong words here mean shit when there is a game they really want to play.
xaosslug
Member
you need to present a valid form of ID and Birth Certificate to Kinect 2.0 in order to add someone to your 'family' list.
What I don't understand is this:
people have been banging on that Gamestop and GAME are the scourge of the industry, that they need to be destroyed. That this anti used policy is essential to kick those greedy bastards out of the revenue stream.
well guess what? The XBone doesn't do that. It gives them a fucking monopoly on used sales.
people have been banging on that Gamestop and GAME are the scourge of the industry, that they need to be destroyed. That this anti used policy is essential to kick those greedy bastards out of the revenue stream.
well guess what? The XBone doesn't do that. It gives them a fucking monopoly on used sales.
Oh you thought I was talking about the Xbox One. Lol, I should have specified. I meant the PS4, but yeah, MS was already balls-deep by the time we appealed to them. They've gone to the dark side.
NullPointer
Member
I would remove the 24 hours part, but yeah, thats my take as well.
There are better alternatives but I think both the publishers and MS *want* us to be online, and often, thus the check. Its not a requirement of strong DRM.
EternalTruth
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4403328/leaked-verizon-nsa-surveillance-court-order
Wow, I don't think I like this future...
Wow, I don't think I like this future...
maabus1999
Member
Most likely scenario : Game fly will get rental only discs 30 days or more post release like red box does with blue rays. In return game fly gets the games dirt cheap.I feel sorry for GameFly.
Why let gamefly do it when they can just do it themselves and keep all the money?
Do you currently need that for xbox family gold ? (no you don't)
Marked_Bravado
Banned
Hahaha. If this happens I DEMAND someone to make a gif of it. Would be hilarious.
Hogan = Kaz
Macho Man = Iwata or Reggie
The Outsiders = Mattrick and Ballmer or whatever
was this sarcasm or stupidity?
Incendiary
Banned
I'm hoping there's a big enough consumer backlash from this that it actually affects Microsoft's sales and place in the industry. I also hope that Microsoft's U.S.-centric policies create an even bigger backlash across the world and show up in sales (even though America is where they do the most business). I'm preparing for the worst, though, as I feel like the majority of the population will stay uninformed and not realize what Microsoft is doing to them.
I'm also hoping/waiting for the day where retailers/Microsoft tech support/etc. have to deal with multitudes of people returning their XBox One because "it doesn't play my games" when they don't have internet, or in places where broadband isn't readily available.
I think I'm really looking forward to the launch of this system, just because I'm really interested to see how far it falls/how bad it fails, if it fails at all. My heart will break for the gaming industry if this succeeds.
I'm also hoping/waiting for the day where retailers/Microsoft tech support/etc. have to deal with multitudes of people returning their XBox One because "it doesn't play my games" when they don't have internet, or in places where broadband isn't readily available.
I think I'm really looking forward to the launch of this system, just because I'm really interested to see how far it falls/how bad it fails, if it fails at all. My heart will break for the gaming industry if this succeeds.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Same for me. It was already unlikely that I was gonna buy an XBO anyway due to much weaker specs, this is icing on the cake. If Sony fucks up like this, I'm out, and just like you, I don't buy used games, I randomly sell my games, and I spend quite a bit of money on PSN.
shinra-bansho
Member
The astroturfers are at least getting paid...
A Black Falcon
Member
Perhaps the number one thing that gaming needs right now, as far as rights are concerned, is a way to sell digital games. There are a lot of other important issues, and I'll cover some below, but seriously, this one comes first both because it's realistic -- systems to allow this could be put into place -- and because it's necessary and should exist. I understand why companies don't allow it, but this NEEDS to happen. It is not okay that I can't sell even my "DRM-free" GOG games. So, if I bought packs of stuff and ended up with duplicate games (say I have something on disc, and in Steam, and maybe elsewhere as well), why can't I sell the extras, and just keep my disc copy? It's ridiculous that this is not allowed.
Yes, I understand, you could just install a game and then sell it, etc. But PC games used to be like that. Plenty of games let you install them and then run off the HDD, without even a disc check, or on floppy of course with no disk check once installed. There was no way for them to keep people from reselling games after installing them. Companies are just greedy and don't want to allow resale of digital games because they think they'll make more money this way, than they would if they were nicer and people had more of their rights -- once you own something you own it, period. Of course finding pirates in that case would be hard... but honestly, oh well. Piracy is going to happen, no matter what DRM companies use. I can understand using some mechanism to try to block out pirates when a game first releases, since that's when most of the money is made, but after that... there's not much benefit, and a lot of harm to the consumer.
Anyway, as far as law is concerned, digital games should be considered to be the same as physical ones. It is not okay that digital has no resale. And on something like the X1, setting up a resale shop for digital games would actually be quite easy, since all games are locked to your account and have keys and such. Sure, MS has this hard to understand "you can permanantly give a game to someone who's been on your friends list for at least 30 days, but then they can't ever give the game to anyone after that" system, but a simple buyback system wouldn't be hard, and really would be a great feature. The same is true for Steam as well; sure, they couldn't keep people from keeping "backups" of the games, particularly those that don't have Steamworks DRM, but people have their rights, and you can't take away everybody's rights just because some people are going to exploit the system. As I said, you'll have pirates regardless. All adding in all that DRM does is makes people angrier at you, and people have a right to sell things they have bought.
I mean, look at GOG. You can't resell GOG games either (this is bad!), but GOG gets nearly a completely free pass and people call their games "DRM-free", just because they don't have keys or internet checks or stuff like that.
As for changing wording from "buy" to "license", that of course is going in the exactly wrong direction. Once you've bought a game, you've bought it. That "license" excuse is awful, and in a better world wouldn't hold up.
Oh, and yes, I own some duplicate Steam games that I wish I could sell off. I don't need Steam copies of older games I own on physical discs.)
One other interesting thing about Steam is that I have some games that require Steam to install, but don't actually have Steamworks DRM, so even though I bought the [physical] games used, and they are Steam-required games, they install and play just fine. This is basically exactly what I'm talking about'; there's no way to guarantee that whoever sold those games didn't keep them on their computer too, maybe with a disc-check cracker for games that require the disc in... but the companies weren't being completely evil, so resale was simple. And this really is a big issue. I mean, as I said in the OP, MS's scheme here basically kills flea markets, EBay, Amazon marketplace sales, private sales, etc etc. Digital-only stuff hurts those people as well, of course, but physical restrictions are worse. Now you might say "oh well, the world is going all digital", but why should we surrender our rights just because some people want to get rid of physical everything? That's not okay!
And yes, I love that I was able to buy extremely cheap copies of some games. I think I like Alone in the Dark (the modern remake) more at the $1 I paid for it than I would had I paid full price or something, for example. Puzzle Quest Galactrix for $1 was a pretty good deal as well, and Fallout 3 for $3. Digital only makes distribution easy, but killing the natural price shifting of the open marketplace in favor of one where the publisher has full control at all times is TERRIBLE.
And that, of course, raises the issue that this means that piracy aside, in this future games die when they stop being sold. So yeah, thank all of those pirates working hard to make sure everything gets backed up, and hope that they can crack any future DRM -- otherwise there's no future for anything in this industry. As someone who buys huge numbers of used console games, and who loves history (videogame and other), this matters to me, obviously.
Yes, I understand, you could just install a game and then sell it, etc. But PC games used to be like that. Plenty of games let you install them and then run off the HDD, without even a disc check, or on floppy of course with no disk check once installed. There was no way for them to keep people from reselling games after installing them. Companies are just greedy and don't want to allow resale of digital games because they think they'll make more money this way, than they would if they were nicer and people had more of their rights -- once you own something you own it, period. Of course finding pirates in that case would be hard... but honestly, oh well. Piracy is going to happen, no matter what DRM companies use. I can understand using some mechanism to try to block out pirates when a game first releases, since that's when most of the money is made, but after that... there's not much benefit, and a lot of harm to the consumer.
Anyway, as far as law is concerned, digital games should be considered to be the same as physical ones. It is not okay that digital has no resale. And on something like the X1, setting up a resale shop for digital games would actually be quite easy, since all games are locked to your account and have keys and such. Sure, MS has this hard to understand "you can permanantly give a game to someone who's been on your friends list for at least 30 days, but then they can't ever give the game to anyone after that" system, but a simple buyback system wouldn't be hard, and really would be a great feature. The same is true for Steam as well; sure, they couldn't keep people from keeping "backups" of the games, particularly those that don't have Steamworks DRM, but people have their rights, and you can't take away everybody's rights just because some people are going to exploit the system. As I said, you'll have pirates regardless. All adding in all that DRM does is makes people angrier at you, and people have a right to sell things they have bought.
I mean, look at GOG. You can't resell GOG games either (this is bad!), but GOG gets nearly a completely free pass and people call their games "DRM-free", just because they don't have keys or internet checks or stuff like that.
As for changing wording from "buy" to "license", that of course is going in the exactly wrong direction. Once you've bought a game, you've bought it. That "license" excuse is awful, and in a better world wouldn't hold up.
Oh, and yes, I own some duplicate Steam games that I wish I could sell off. I don't need Steam copies of older games I own on physical discs.)
One other interesting thing about Steam is that I have some games that require Steam to install, but don't actually have Steamworks DRM, so even though I bought the [physical] games used, and they are Steam-required games, they install and play just fine. This is basically exactly what I'm talking about'; there's no way to guarantee that whoever sold those games didn't keep them on their computer too, maybe with a disc-check cracker for games that require the disc in... but the companies weren't being completely evil, so resale was simple. And this really is a big issue. I mean, as I said in the OP, MS's scheme here basically kills flea markets, EBay, Amazon marketplace sales, private sales, etc etc. Digital-only stuff hurts those people as well, of course, but physical restrictions are worse. Now you might say "oh well, the world is going all digital", but why should we surrender our rights just because some people want to get rid of physical everything? That's not okay!
And yes, I love that I was able to buy extremely cheap copies of some games. I think I like Alone in the Dark (the modern remake) more at the $1 I paid for it than I would had I paid full price or something, for example. Puzzle Quest Galactrix for $1 was a pretty good deal as well, and Fallout 3 for $3. Digital only makes distribution easy, but killing the natural price shifting of the open marketplace in favor of one where the publisher has full control at all times is TERRIBLE.
And that, of course, raises the issue that this means that piracy aside, in this future games die when they stop being sold. So yeah, thank all of those pirates working hard to make sure everything gets backed up, and hope that they can crack any future DRM -- otherwise there's no future for anything in this industry. As someone who buys huge numbers of used console games, and who loves history (videogame and other), this matters to me, obviously.
Neuromancer
Member
Good point, thanks for sharing.
BruiserBear
Banned
That final line is so ominous, just knowing they can flip a switch at anytime and completely change the rules again.
And don't forget folks, this won't be like the old days, where you didn't have to update your firmware if you didn't want to. Now your games are dead if you don't check into their permission severs every 24 hours. Xbone customers, YOU WILL update that firmware, whether you like it or not. Got it? Microsoft is in control from this point forward.
+1
Stable internet connection, don't buy used, don't rent. I even buy games on Steam and other digital shops.
Not a chance in hell I'd buy an X1, though.
I have the OPTION of buying a digital copy or a hard copy with Nintendo/Sony. I have OPTIONS when looking at PC games. Options are always good. Optional difficulties, optional rendering options, optional control schemes.
Xbox One = no options = bad for the industry
Stable internet connection, don't buy used, don't rent. I even buy games on Steam and other digital shops.
Not a chance in hell I'd buy an X1, though.
I have the OPTION of buying a digital copy or a hard copy with Nintendo/Sony. I have OPTIONS when looking at PC games. Options are always good. Optional difficulties, optional rendering options, optional control schemes.
Xbox One = no options = bad for the industry
VeryGooster
Banned
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ThatObviousUser
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Viral marketing dudes should at least wait until they're not juniors anymore, makes them much less suspicious.
on the flip side it leaves them an out if this thing falls flat on their face, which I think is the main reason for the line. it leaves wiggle room, this is new territory and it seems the Publishers are the drivers here. All the talk of EA's partnership surely was linked to MS taking it in the balls on this for them.
shinra-bansho
Member
Can't you technically, although not legally, on-sell GOG games to anyone you want.
In addition , they can enforce complete control over the software if they force all rentals to be digital.
Wishmaster92
Member
Oh my god lol
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
If only Sony had the balls.
Man this is awesome and that last "Playstation 4" part made me spill my drink.
Was not expecting that
Fess
Member
What if Sony is doing the same thing with PS4?
Would you go for WiiU + PC this whole generation?
I doubt it.
I know I wouldn't. I would get pissed, definitely, but then I would most likely wait 2 years or so and then buy both consoles anyway. Can't deal with not being able to play the exclusives,
:/
Would you go for WiiU + PC this whole generation?
I doubt it.
I know I wouldn't. I would get pissed, definitely, but then I would most likely wait 2 years or so and then buy both consoles anyway. Can't deal with not being able to play the exclusives,
:/
Mr. Enigma
Member
That's because you are weak-minded. I would definitely never buy either of those consoles and go PC only from now on if the PS4 did it too.
Doubt it? Of course I would. I did without a PS3 and 360 for the last gen and I can damn well do it again.
I've learnt that the PC offers far superior experiences for a fraction of the price of console games. And guess what? If I don't like the DRM, I can crack it.
which is what both sony and MS are betting on.
IT'S UP!! Hell yes.
If Sony goes this route I think this might be the last gen that has the huge over inflated budgets for the latest AAA "Call of Halo Warfare on the Battlefield of Whatever 11", especially if games get locked out when a newer release of the same fucking game comes out a la COD or Madden every year.
I also think that console gaming on a whole might be done with this gen if Sony does the same thing.
MS sure as shit isn't getting a dime out of me and Sony wouldn't be getting my money either if this happens.
Thank god I have a huge backlog of games I've wanted to play but never got around to touching...until now.
Maybe I'll go get a used 360 (never owned one and no I'm not a Sony fanboy - the 360 hasn't had much in the way of games that has really interested me mostly cause I hate shooters) and a few games used (NG2, The Witcher games, SC:C among others) and use that as my new gen gaming.
I also think that console gaming on a whole might be done with this gen if Sony does the same thing.
MS sure as shit isn't getting a dime out of me and Sony wouldn't be getting my money either if this happens.
Thank god I have a huge backlog of games I've wanted to play but never got around to touching...until now.
Maybe I'll go get a used 360 (never owned one and no I'm not a Sony fanboy - the 360 hasn't had much in the way of games that has really interested me mostly cause I hate shooters) and a few games used (NG2, The Witcher games, SC:C among others) and use that as my new gen gaming.
Marked_Bravado
Banned
I really doubt Sony first party titles will implement this strategy. Probably an online pass if anything. So u will at least be able to play the single player exclusives without this DRM fiasco.