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Xbox One Launch Thread [Thread being archived 1/1/14]

Deep down I know Ryse won't score super well from a critical standpoint, but I think I can look past that and just enjoy a game set in a semi-realistic portrayal of Rome. The reviews and opinions on Perfect Dark Zero were less than stellar, but you know what? I had fun with it.

At the end of the day I think that's what matters, yeah?

Okay, I'll put the soap box back in the recycling bin..

Perfect dark zero actually got good reviews better than killzone an dead rising 3 have gotten. It was a decent game too but it did have flaws that were blown out of proportion on the internet. It also didn't help that The PD franchise was dormant for so long and it was completely eclipsed at launch by infinity wards COD 2
 

mozfan12

Banned
How does it break the balance?

You have people willing to play for hours to get it free or you have people willing to spend $5-$10 instead so they can just play with the content instantly.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXA559KNopI

I'm sorry, but I disagree. I think it sets up a dangerous precedent where it can directly affect game design, specifically in a game you've already paid full price. Why offer a balanced game, when you can force a player to grind so that they are motivated to drop money?

Micro transactions are one of the reasons I've completely stopped playing IOS games for the most part. I refuse to take a part in the free to play model except in very specific cases, but the for the most part it breaks a game. What's worrying me is that it's now present in almost every single first party game, which are games that I'm paying full price. I'm in no way happy about that.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
You clearly didn't watch that video at all.

Hell the video is 9 minutes long and you responded to my post 3 minutes after I posted it... at least watch the video entirely before assuming what it says.

The video isn't defending every form of micro-transactions it is saying that there is a place for them at times as long as they don't negatively affect other players and sell power over other players.

Like I said earlier, I completely disagree with that. I dont think they are good in any sense. In some sense to say, Bioware, they are good because they sort of saved SWTOR, but in a players perspective, someone who bought into the system before microtransactions, I think they ruined the game with that (same feelings with LOTRO). My opinion, I think MT are dogshit, as well as DLC done wrong (ie: Forza). Let me pay full price for a game and be done with it, even if you charge me $70 from the getgo, if a dev thinks they put enough value into a box to price it higher, fine, id take that over the dogshit Marvel Heroes game any day.

I'm not gonna argue anymore about MT because they are pretty OT in this launch thread. Enjoy the launch though, its something that happens once ever 7 or so years.
 

malfcn

Member
I was thinking about Forza, so I downloaded the demos for 360. Sadly, they did nothing for me. Horizon was fun, but that is a different genre of racing. FM5 is pretty, but is not my kind of bag.
 

T.O.P

Banned
Anyone had a chance to check or knows if Dead Rising 3 is only with English dub?


Don't want to be stucked using an awful Italian dub tomorrow
 

MarkusRJR

Member
I'm sorry, but I disagree. I think it sets up a dangerous precedent where it can directly affect game design, specifically in a game you've already paid full price. Why offer a balanced game, when you can force a player to grind so that they are motivated to drop money?

Micro transactions are one of the reasons I've completely stopped playing IOS games for the most part. I refuse to take a part in the free to play model except in very specific cases, but the for the most part it breaks a game. What's worrying me is that it's now present in almost every single first party game, which are games that I'm paying full price. I'm in no way happy about that.
Yup. I'm totally fine as long as it's cosmetics, new weapons, or new characters but once it creates a grind and actively puts the pacing of the game to a halt it becomes a problem.
 

FordGTGuy

Banned
I'm sorry, but I disagree. I think it sets up a dangerous precedent where it can directly affect game design, specifically in a game you've already paid full price. Why offer a balanced game, when you can force a player to grind so that they are motivated to drop money?

Micro transactions are one of the reasons I've completely stopped playing IOS games for the most part. I refuse to take a part in the free to play model except in very specific cases, but the for the most part it breaks a game. What's worrying me is that it's now present in almost every single first party game, which are games that I'm paying full price. I'm in no way happy about that.

Grinding is already a key mechanic in gaming, micro-transactions were recently added in order to help certain players get around the grinding.

If a game goes overboard with it you just don't buy the game or don't buy the currency.
 
sighhhh i seriously cant decide what game to get :<

DR3 seems the most logical but jesus christ fuck those boss fights
zoo tycoon doesnt seem like its a deep enough sim and really repetitive
forza looks fun but lacking content and i havent been able to get into a racing game for years
ryse is ryse lol no thanks
 

SRTtoZ

Member
sighhhh i seriously cant decide what game to get :<

DR3 seems the most logical but jesus christ fuck those boss fights
zoo tycoon doesnt seem like its a deep enough sim and really repetitive
forza looks fun but lacking content and i havent been able to get into a racing game for years
ryse is ryse lol no thanks

If I was buying an XB1, it would be Forza no doubt. Lacking content maybe but its still always been fun to me, plus dem car models. If you really arent into racing games then yea, maybe AC4? Its pretty damn good. Ryse is stellar to look at but at 5 hours you're better off waiting for a price drop, Zoo Tycoon does look really cool but like you said, it looks more shallow than some of your other tycoon games. DR3 isnt really my game but if you like that open world crazy Saints Row type thing then I hear its pretty good.

Heres Sesslers review of Ryse btw incase anyone missed it (it got taken off youtube)

http://www.frequency.com/video/ryse-son-of-rome-review-adam-sessler/132582555/-/5-2748
 

FordGTGuy

Banned
sighhhh i seriously cant decide what game to get :<

DR3 seems the most logical but jesus christ fuck those boss fights
zoo tycoon doesnt seem like its a deep enough sim and really repetitive
forza looks fun but lacking content and i havent been able to get into a racing game for years
ryse is ryse lol no thanks

I love how you're buying Xbox One because of it's exclusives but you can't even convince yourself of one you even want to play......

Honestly not going to play DR3 because of bosses?
 

nib95

Banned
sighhhh i seriously cant decide what game to get :<

DR3 seems the most logical but jesus christ fuck those boss fights
zoo tycoon doesnt seem like its a deep enough sim and really repetitive
forza looks fun but lacking content and i havent been able to get into a racing game for years
ryse is ryse lol no thanks

I don't know why some of you guys act like multiplatform games don't exist...

Currently the highest rated next gen games (not including Resogun) are....

1. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
2. Battlefield 4
3. NBA 2K14
4. NFS Rivals
5. Forza 5

Any of these will suit you well imo.
 
hmm, trying to buy some games on the webstore using my xbox prepaid credit but just says

Use a different way to pay
Your purchase cannot be completed with this payment option. Try a different or new way to pay.

Unless i cant buy anything yet, too early?

Points or the new cash cards?

Did you upload it to your account first?
 

MarkusRJR

Member
Grinding is already a key mechanic in gaming, micro-transactions were recently added in order to help certain players get around the grinding.

If a game goes overboard with it you just don't buy the game or don't buy the currency.
Grinding is rare in most modern games beyond RPGs and Multiplayer shooters (to add perks and such). Micro-transactions merely gave game developers an excuse to add more. If you honestly think most of the F2P grind would be there if the games weren't utilizing the F2P model, I don't even know what to tell you.

And don't worry, I don't buy games that use F2P models unless they're reasonable (eg. Cosmetic upgrades, new weapons, new characters, or new content in general). The problem is that there are legitimately interesting games being bogged down by poor implementations of the F2P model. They add excess grinding, tons of in game notifications, and generally ruin game balance.

F2P models can be alright if executed correctly, but the examples from these launch Xbox One games are just bad (especially since most of these are full game prices). I'm really hoping these poor implementations of micro-transactions don't stick.
 

FordGTGuy

Banned
Grinding is rare in most modern games beyond RPGs and Multiplayer shooters (to add perks and such). Micro transactions merely gave game developers an excuse to add more.

And don't worry, I don't buy games that use F2P models unless they're reasonable (eg. Cosmetic upgrades, new weapons, new characters, or new content in general). The problem is that there are legitimate interesting games being bogged down by poor implementations of the F2P model. They add excess grinding, tons of in game notifications, and generally ruin game balance.

F2P models can be alright if executed correctly, but the examples from These launch Xbox One games are just bad (especially since most of these are full game prices). I'm really hoping these poor implementations of micro-transactions don't stick.

I'm not referring to DLC though I'm referring to unlocking progress with money that doesn't negatively affect other players. The games we are referring to have grinding though, RYSE actually makes you grind to unlock upgrades(like most hack and slash style games.) and Forza is a giant grinding game for more cars and upgrades.
 
I have a ps4 too so multiplats are out of the question.

I love how you're buying Xbox One because of it's exclusives but you can't even convince yourself of one you even want to play......

Honestly not going to play DR3 because of bosses?
There's not much choice at launch. I want Titanfall, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo, Fable, etc. I dont think the price is gonna drop much so I might as well just grab it now and start getting used to how awful kinect is.

Polygon said it took them thirty tries to pass one of the bosses in DR3 cause of janky mechanics. Couple that with the 60 second loadtime to reload a checkpoint and it sounds pretty fucking frustrating.
 

FordGTGuy

Banned
I have a ps4 too so multiplats are out of the question.

There's not much choice at launch. I want Titanfall, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo, Fable, etc. I dont think the price is gonna drop much so I might as well just grab it now and start getting used to how awful kinect is.

Polygon said it took them thirty tries to pass one of the bosses in DR3 cause of janky mechanics. Couple that with the 60 second loadtime to reload a checkpoint and it sounds pretty fucking frustrating.

So Polygon isn't very good at DR3? Can't be too bad they scored it high.(Yes I beat DR and DR2 so I know how hard it can be.).

Honestly could you stop bashing Kinect in every single one of your posts, we already understand your opinion on the matter.

If you don't like Kinect you shouldn't be buying this system and if those are the games you're interested in you should honestly wait to buy one until Titanfall launches or later.

The system might not drop in price by then but the launch games should at least a little or buy them used.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
I have a ps4 too so multiplats are out of the question.

There's not much choice at launch. I want Titanfall, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo, Fable, etc. I dont think the price is gonna drop much so I might as well just grab it now and start getting used to how awful kinect is.

Polygon said it took them thirty tries to pass one of the bosses in DR3 cause of janky mechanics. Couple that with the 60 second loadtime to reload a checkpoint and it sounds pretty fucking frustrating.

Agreed. If you are going to buy the system eventually, might as well buy it now because it aint dropping in price any time soon. As for DR3, yep, I was watching the DR3 stream and after 5 minutes of some chinese guy boss fight, I minimized it and after another 10-15 minutes, they were STILL fighting him. I thought they died a bunch of times but nope, its actually that long.
 

MarkusRJR

Member
I'm not referring to DLC though I'm referring to unlocking progress with money that doesn't negatively affect other players. The games we are referring to have grinding though, RYSE actually makes you grind to unlock upgrades(like most hack and slash style games.) and Forza is a giant grinding game for more cars and upgrades.
Neither was I. I was just saying that the F2P models which these micro-transactions are coming from have inherit problems. They ruin the pacing of the game (due to forcefully added in grind) and are only there for companies to squeeze more money from you. The method in which good F2P games use micro-transactions are from cosmetic or character add ons (which aren't really DLC; I wouldn't say LOL characters are DLC at all).

All I'm saying is that the grind in these games are being artificially extended in a lot of cases. I don't know 100% regarding these Xbox One games beyond Crimson Dragon, but this seems to be the case here. The added grind does negatively effect players who choose not to purchase the progress unlock.
 
Agreed. If you are going to buy the system eventually, might as well buy it now because it aint dropping in price any time soon. As for DR3, yep, I was watching the DR3 stream and after 5 minutes of some chinese guy boss fight, I minimized it and after another 10-15 minutes, they were STILL fighting him. I thought they died a bunch of times but nope, its actually that long.
They actually did die to him 4 or 5 times because whenever you grab food to heal up you have to drop your weapon into a pile of other shit and get the camera to select it again, by that time the boss already hits you for half the health you just gained. It looked soooo annoying.
 

FordGTGuy

Banned
Neither was I. I was just saying that the F2P models which these micro-transactions are coming from have inherit problems. They ruin the pacing of the game (due to forcefully added in grind) and are only there for companies to squeeze more money from you. The method in which good F2P games use micro-transactions are from cosmetic or character add ons (which aren't really DLC; I wouldn't say LOL characters are DLC at all).

All I'm saying is that the grind in these games are being artificially extended in a lot of cases. I don't know 100% regarding these Xbox One games beyond Crimson Dragon, but this seems to be the case here. The added grind does negatively effect players who choose not to purchase the progress unlock.

I don't see where it is forcibly adding in grinding though as the grinding already existed in the first place in these types of games...

They actually did die to him 4 or 5 times because whenever you grab food to heal up you have to drop your weapon into a pile of other shit and get the camera to select it again, by that time the boss already hits you for half the health you just gained. It looked soooo annoying.

They were playing it wrong then, you should always leave a spot open in your inventory for food and weapons. You can now also pick up objects and eat while moving.
 

Krilekk

Banned
So a lot of the voice control problems might come from people not setting up Kinect the way it's supposed to be. You have to keep a certain distance (IIRC 1m around the thing) to speakers and such because otherwise there will be distortions and Kinect struggles. This would explain why there are some videos where it is working flawlessly and others where it is not. With the exception being those guys that use the wrong voice commands and it only appearing to be not working.
 

Lima

Member
It appears that you can get Xbox One games now before the Xbox One launches if you're going digital:

https://store.xbox.com/en-US/

Dat 69,99€ in Germany. Ah well I didn't expect anything else.

10€ more than the disc versions, yeah that is how push all digital and get that 40% market share in Germany, not that Sony is better of course, the only company that gets digital download pricing in Europe and I can't believe I'm saying this, is Nintendo.
 
Ryse reviews.

Edit: Heh, guess I was wrong in terms of what he was referring to.

Oh, Ryse reviews are today? Thought they were tomorrow for some reason.

I live in New Zealand. It's 9:52pm Thursday (as of writing). With a midnight launch, there's fuck all left until I get to pick it up.

I'M IN THE FUTURE, BITCHES!

You lucky sonofa....

I expect lots of detailed impressions. And I do mean lots
 

mozfan12

Banned
So a couple of people were asking about Lego Marvel Super Heroes , and unfortunately it looks like it has no online co-op by some of the reviews I'm reading. It actually looks like none of the Lego games have only ever had couch co-op, and no online component.
 
I'll post pics and impressions when I get home. I'll probably post pics of the launch event while I'm there too because, you know, I'll probably be bored. :p

EDIT: Right, it's 10:10pm. I'm going to start getting ready so I can catch a bus in.
 
Due to my awful sleep schedule and Christmas Eve like excitement for the launch, I cannot fall asleep. Forgot what is was like to feel this excited for a day, haha. Realistically it probably has nothing to do with this launch, and more with studying for exams and whatnot. Either way, cannot wait for tomorrow.
 
Auckland's SkyTower in green for the launch. 1.5 hours to go.

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Bond007

Member
I have a ps4 too so multiplats are out of the question.

There's not much choice at launch. I want Titanfall, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo, Fable, etc. I dont think the price is gonna drop much so I might as well just grab it now and start getting used to how awful kinect is.

Polygon said it took them thirty tries to pass one of the bosses in DR3 cause of janky mechanics. Couple that with the 60 second loadtime to reload a checkpoint and it sounds pretty fucking frustrating.

Im in the exact same boat. Only difference is im happy with Forza.
Paying $560 for Forza but im gonna spend the $500 in a few months anyway...why not now?

Im tempted to buy Ryse regardless of reviews, it looks fun. Not $60 fun....maybe in a few months cause it doesnt appear X1 has anything im remotely interested in...till "maybe" Titanfall
 
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