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football manager 2006 - maybe not a triple A game, but will we see other games, that requiere the hadrdisc to be playable in the future? whats next, games only playbale with hd-dvd drive?

 

[AdmiralViscen]

I really, really, really want 360 to be a strong competitor to the PS3, but I'm really starting to get worried. They had better drop the Core pack this year. The boosted profits they get from charging a hundred bucks for a 20gig hard drive is going to kill them in the long run.

I don't know why MS went from total lack of concern for profitability for 4 years, to such a ridiculous expectation of immediate profitibility today. They are going to cripple themselves with this bullshit.

 

[Jerkface]

:lol

The jump to "HD-DVD drive required" is as big as that box-art. Football Manager would be crippled without a Hard Drive so why bother without it?

 

[monkeymagic]

What does it need the HDD for exactly?

Haven't there been other console iterations of this game which haven't required one?

 

[Piper Az]

Thanks for splitting the userbase, MS.

 

[Oxymoron]

I thought being playable without a HDD was one of the Essentials?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Considering the ratio of Premium packs to Core packs sold, I don't think it's much of a factor. There are always going to be 'Tards, but for the most part, the Premium pack is the big seller.

Besides, no one who buys the Core pack is going to play this game. Now if Madden requires the HDD, they're screwed. :lol

 

[gofreak]

I thought being playable without a HDD was one of the Essentials?

There are exceptions, I guess.

But I'd also like to know what's different about this versus previous console management games that didn't require a HDD? Did those previous versions cut features vs PC games or something? Like I'm wondering if MS simply had larger memory cards, if this would be necessary.

 

[Reilly]

they need to release the hockey version in the states for consoles. (even though the freeware version was better)

 

[Ghost]

Why does it need the HDD for exactly?

Well the save files are over 100meg for a start.

I think it has something to do with the way the game changes, without the hard drive they woudnt have anywhere to store all the player/team/league information as it changes, the RAM gets used generating all the matches & world events.



Im pretty sure it could be done without the HDD though, its just the case that this game has been developed for the PC only for the last 10+ years...

 

[Beer Monkey]

Since most buyers do choose the hard drive, there is zero comparison with old attachments like 32x and Sega CD.

And if anybody thinks games that require attachments can't sell...

(yeah, pc version, I know, but you get the point)

 

[Jerkface]

There are exceptions, I guess.

But I'd also like to know what's different about this versus previous console management games that didn't require a HDD? Did those previous versions cut features vs PC games or something? Like I'm wondering if MS simply had larger memory cards, if this would be necessary.

PS2 management games are severely crippled and have massive save files.

 

[levious]

Since most buyers do choose the hard drive, there is zero comparison with old attachments like 32x and Sega CD.

And if anybody thinks games that require attachments can't sell...

(yeah, pc version, I know, but you get the point)

There was no required attachment to play Socom. And if you're referring to the PS2 version of FFXI, the required attachment came with the game. Pretty bad examples.

 

[Vennt]

"No games will require the HDD!... (Except maybe MMORPG's...Oh, and the other exceptions...)" :lol

You gotta laugh

 

[dose]

Allard interview from last October:

http://www.edge-online.co.uk/archives/2005...osoft_respo.php

There isn’t a game on 360 that you can’t play without a hard drive.

What a cock.

 

[gofreak]

PS2 management games are severely crippled and have massive save files.

Makes sense.

If Ghost is right, though, simply providing a half-way decent memory card could have solved this. It doesn't really need a HDD, it just needs a respectable mem card

 

[PhatSaqs]

I doubt there are very many people that dont have a hard drive.

No biggie IMO.

 

[Master of the Melee]

The xbox 360 needs a HDD or HD DVD because all games are in Hi Def and that means that all textures are going to be bigger, meaning the graphics will take up already four times as much disk space in most cases. The Rev, with its smaller custom DVDs, are technically bigger since Nintendo has banned HDTV. Sony is unaffected with blu ray.

The fact that the 360 does not have that means it has a hardware liability, one that may be abandoned in just a few months given the outcry towards Microsoft coming in at all sides.

 

[Jerkface]

Makes sense.

If Ghost is right, though, simply providing a half-way decent memory card could have solved this. It doesn't really need a HDD, it just needs a respectable mem card

Maybe, but it depends how big a cache it needs to hold the ongoing data aswell. Football Manager is amazingly in depth at the maximum settings and if the 360 can buzz through that with a hard drive but stutter without then I think they have to go with this.

I would imagine updates will weigh in at a large amount aswell.

 

[truffleshuffle83]

The xbox 360 needs a HDD or HD DVD because all games are in Hi Def and that means that all textures are going to be bigger, meaning the graphics will take up already four times as much disk space in most cases. The Rev, with its smaller custom DVDs, are technically bigger since Nintendo has banned HDTV. Sony is unaffected with blu ray.

The fact that the 360 does not have that means it has a hardware liability, one that may be abandoned in just a few months given the outcry towards Microsoft coming in at all sides.

WOW JUST WOW

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

The xbox 360 needs a HDD or HD DVD because all games are in Hi Def and that means that all textures are going to be bigger, meaning the graphics will take up already four times as much disk space in most cases. The Rev, with its smaller custom DVDs, are technically bigger since Nintendo has banned HDTV. Sony is unaffected with blu ray.

The fact that the 360 does not have that means it has a hardware liability, one that may be abandoned in just a few months given the outcry towards Microsoft coming in at all sides.

And this folks, is how you STAY a Junior Member! :lol

 

[Master of the Melee]

Someone asked a question, and I answered.

 

[sprsk]

I doubt there are very many people that dont have a hard drive.

No biggie IMO.

uh, it is for the people who want this game and dont have a hd

 

[Jerkface]

And this folks, is how you STAY a Junior Member! :lol

He has a point, look at the insane texture resolution. You can see the individual dots representing each players feet!

 

[gofreak]

Maybe, but it depends how big a cache it needs to hold the ongoing data aswell. Football Manager is amazingly in depth at the maximum settings and if the 360 can buzz through that with a hard drive but stutter without then I think they have to go with this.

I would imagine updates will weigh in at a large amount aswell.

Caching may be a valid point, but possibly all games could do with that if they were allowed to rely on it. But generally they're not. FM may have peculiar requirements, though, given the amount of data it's dealing with perhaps. I'd say, though, they'd be quite limited on how much space they could use for caching (in fact, isn't some reserved for this?).

Updates - for sure, I imagine they could be hefty, but they wouldn't make the HDD a requirement to simply play the game. All DLC requires the HDD on Live, right? So that wouldn't make it any different than other games.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

He has a point, look at the insane texture resolution. You can see the individual dots representing each players feet!

:lol

 

[gopher]

I can't find the HD-Disk required icon. Is there a bigger picture of the boxart?

 

[Pedigree Chum]

Wow, so they now have a HDD reqired icon? Not good.

I'm really not liking the way X360 is being handled right now, buggy hardware, nigh useless BC, dual SKU...eh.

 

[Lo-Volt]

It's on the bottom left, right next to the PEGI rating.

And this is terrible news for someone who just bought one of these 360s in the United States. Live with it, Microsoft; you made your bet and you'd best own that choice now. This company already misled with the hard drive and naming business (but this isn't the Xbox 360, this is the Xbox 360 Core!"), and I think they'd really be pushing their goddamn luck if they tried this kind of move with any other game ever for any reason. Live with your choice, Microsoft. God damn.

 

[TekunoRobby]

I thought MS required all games to work without the HD with obvious exceptions to the MMO genre?

 

[Pedigree Chum]

The xbox 360 needs a HDD or HD DVD because all games are in Hi Def and that means that all textures are going to be bigger, meaning the graphics will take up already four times as much disk space in most cases. The Rev, with its smaller custom DVDs, are technically bigger since Nintendo has banned HDTV. Sony is unaffected with blu ray.

The fact that the 360 does not have that means it has a hardware liability, one that may be abandoned in just a few months given the outcry towards Microsoft coming in at all sides.

 

[Vennt]

I thought MS required all games to work without the HD with obvious exceptions to the MMO genre?

You're making the obvious mistake of equated "What they said" with "What they meant".

 

[D3VI0US]

There was no required attachment to play Socom. And if you're referring to the PS2 version of FFXI, the required attachment came with the game. Pretty bad examples.

Network Adapter smart guy, then again Sony did start bundling this with hardware for a while even before the PStwo, but I think they also stopped before the PStwo. Either way Socom may have released before the bundling I didn't really pay attention cause it's Socom.

 

[megateto]

This one's from amazon.co.uk:

Soooo, what's the deal?

 

[TekunoRobby]

You're making the obvious mistake of equated "What they said" with "What they meant".

True. I wonder when they changed their minds though.

 

[Vennt]

This one's from amazon.co.uk:

Soooo, what's the deal?

That's the old cover-art, Sega themselves have confirmed this game is HDD-Only, and supplied Gamefront.de with the cover-art in the original post.

http://www.sega-europe.com/en/Game/231.htm

Football Manager 2006 on Xbox 360 brings with it all the features enjoyed by fans of the PC game - that includes everything from FM 2005 and all the updates and improvements of FM 2006 - with an enhanced, redesigned interface to make it console perfect.

Hundreds of divisions across 50 countries are playable, with 270,000 real-world players and staff to work with. Enjoy fully-featured player training, FM's famous 2D match engine, full rules for all leagues and player data accurate to the end of the winter transfer window.

With FM 2006 your TV's no longer just for watching football, now you can conquer it!


Please note: This is a hard-drive-only game.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Network Adapter smart guy, then again Sony did start bundling this with hardware for a while even before the PStwo, but I think they also stopped before the PStwo. Either way Socom may have released before the bundling I didn't really pay attention cause it's Socom.

Let's compare the prices of the Network Adapter to prices for the Hard Drive. And like you said, PS2's started getting bundled with the Adapter pretty quickly.

 

[Lo-Volt]

That's the old cover-art, Sega themselves have confirmed this game is HDD-Only, and supplied Gamefront.de with the cover-art in the original post.

Consumer choice am cry.

 

[op_ivy]

surely you can play it, just not save.... right?

 

[Gio_CoD]

I guess I don't see what the big deal is. Microsoft was stupid to ever say that no game would be unplayable on a machine without a HDD, because that's just going out of your way to look stupid down the line. Regardless, the market is going to decide whether or not these games are viable. Halo 3 isn't going to require a HDD because MS is going to want to maximize their sales potential. If Sega wants to take a risk and cater to a specific sect of the market, let 'em. There have always been games that required add-ons in the past, so I don't know why we're making a big deal out of this now.

Unless the argument is that the game design will suffer because MS isn't guaranteeing a HDD to be available for all games. That's different.

 

[Jerkface]

It would be pretty fair to compare Football Manager to an MMORPG because of the amount of hours of dedicated play it takes, I haven't checked the network features for the 360 but organised network careers would be no different from guild play.

We are sticking to the same system for the PC/Mac hybrid version that we've had for a while, whereas Xbox 360 will have something different instead, but we're not revealing exactly what just yet. It's very cool though, and much more appropriate for the console gamer compared to our normal system.

I remembered this quote about online play from Eurogamer and I can't find out if they said anything more on it.

 

[Xrenity]

Allard interview from last October:

http://www.edge-online.co.uk/archives/2005...osoft_respo.php


What a cock.

He was right.

Up to that point there wasn't.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

ME: So, who here wants to play Football Manager 2006 and doesn't have a hard drive?
GAF: NO BUT ALLARD SAID BLAH BLAH
ME: ?
GAF: Well, CONSUMER CHOICE AND ALL SIDES VOLTRON OF COMPETITION
ME: ?
GAF: ...
ME: .

 

[Unison]

I want all games to have the HDD-Required Logo, please!

The load times in games like PGR3 suck, especially after PGR2's shorter load times!

 

[FiRez]

The HDD exclusion was a big deal imho, just look at how many PC ports and graphical intensive games use it on the original xbox

The load times in games like PGR3 suck, especially after PGR2's shorter load times!

really?
I still haven't played PGR3 but I thought the load times were minimal.

 

[the androgyne]

Why is it not surprising me to that Sega made this great decision!

 

[monkeymagic]

If Sega wants to take a risk and cater to a specific sect of the market, let 'em.

I think the developer rather than Sega is dictating the requirement for a HDD.

 

[Gio_CoD]

The HDD exclusion was a big deal imho, just look at how many PC ports and graphical intensive games use it on the original xbox

They may use it, but I don't any last-gen game truly needed it. The downside seems to be slightly longer load times.

 

[Gio_CoD]

I think the developer rather than Sega are dictating the requirement for a HDD.

You might be right, but my overall point stands. If the dev wants to cater to a specific sect of the market, let 'em.

 

[monkeymagic]

For PS3 owners - is a 512MB or 1GB stick going to be necessary for this game?