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Xenoblade |OT| Sorry I Kept You Waiting!
- Thread starter SecretMoblin
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Aren't there like 10 rpgs on the wii total and less if you just count the ones that don't suck? I see posts like these and I'm starting to think the hype for this game is undeserved because Ninty-only gamers rarely get rpgs lol
Still, I pre-ordered and hopefully I'm wrong
same order date. Same thing.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
It's fine you don't like her, but if you have any deceny you should go back to your previous post and spoiler tag everything you said about why you didn't like her.
I'm past that point in the game but I might've been upset if I had read your post.
Smiles and Cries
Member
listening to weekend confirmed right now and man they are killing this game
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
It's mentioning and describing locations... I think that is a spoiler for this game, since that really is a highlight of the game.
ajim
Member
Whilst I'm in Aus and have already played the hell out of Xenoblade, you guys should probably lay low on the spoilers. Spoilers can really ruin the experience of this game greatly. I'm glad I stayed out of most Xenoblade threads until I made it mostly through, and when I did venture into threads I was very cautious.
Hope all you US folk really enjoy this game as much as I did.
Hope all you US folk really enjoy this game as much as I did.
Rahxephon91
Banned
You'd be upset because I said things that would basically be in a manual and because I mentioned one part of how your walk around a level?
ok. Fine whatever.
That isn't what you said. You said she's the worst party member, as if implying her combat capabilities, and that her arrival, which is in
Makna Forest
But I'll bite regardless. She's as much of a great character as everyone else. You accuse her of being a trope and yet somehow ignore that pretty much everyone in the game is a trope of some kind.
What sets her apart from your average princess is one of the plot twists that follows later in the game. If there's one character you feel the most for, it's her. If you don't like her, that's your prerogative, but she's a better fleshed-out character than most.
The part where you get to play as her is very clearly a tutorial to show and to ease you in on her vastly different combat functionality (ie you release her arts, they're stackable and releasing them builds up her talent art). It isn't particularly long, so saying it's the worst part of the game isn't particularly noteworthy.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
listening to weekend confirmed right now and man they are killing this game
Wow listening to it right now. This chick talking about it is really uninformed about the game. She's a Xenogears super super fan and shes really disappointed that the game isn't Xenogears 2 and the story isnt as "serious" as Xenogears when it comes to religion and psychology, etc. She says it's a mix between Monster Hunter and Almalur. She says she'd enjoyed it a lot more if it just wasn't called Xeno. She also doesn't like the camera. She likes the music.
Garnett still sounds really excited about the game, his expectations that it's a cross between different type of JRPGs. Hes defending the graphics, seems more level headed.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Dude you mentioned a very specific thing that about that character that isn't revealed to you right away, even though it is obvious. I'm not trying to give you a hard time... Just be overly cautious. What you're describing only someone who has played the game know what you're talking about. This is a thread where really nobody has played the game. Just spoiler anything that is remotely related to characters and story and locations. That's reasonable.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Hmm not really. It really dosent say which way that I'm talking about. It just says I'm not talking about supporting characters, just the cast your playing with. I dont really care about her in combat.
I said they avoid annoying tropes, not that they aren't them. Shulk may be a trope, but he avoids being the weak "i have to get stronger" male lead because his character seems to have some inventiveness, something not always seen in jrpg leads. Same thing with Ryen, dumb best friends been done everywhere, but Ryen is just so enduring in his loyalty.
I didn't find any of that twist to be interesting at all and the game kept hitting over the head which how it was trying to set up the emotional issues they were going to try to tug. I got that she really cared for her people in spite of all the obviously stated issues she had to face. So the beats were just so predictable that they were boring. I actully cared more about her brother, because well instead of being the usual "I"m jealous of my half-sister taking my kingdom and I want it" he was actually a nice guy.
Doesn't make it good. You had to do tutorials for all the characters. They weren't in boring places.
It's about as long as any other area of the game, maybe longer as your there past her story beats as well. Plus even longer if you chose to do side stuff. And the fact the differences in how the level is laid out may run counter to how someone may like the areas is a pretty big deal. Is'nt noteworthy? So under this logic I'm not allowed to say any other part is bad? I guess no one is ever allowed to make a statement about an RPG's dungeon or level is the low point of a game because it may not take up the same amount of time compared to other parts. Wait that doesn't make actual sense. But beyond that the game had incredible momentum with it's story and the game's story stops to give us her story time, which sure will be important later, still felt like I had to push through to get back to the main story.
Rahxephon91
Banned
What are you talking about? I posted because I'm talking about the game..
Rahxephon91
Banned
ok? I'll make sure to never start talking about characters of games in the official threads of the games they are in ever again.
Oh wait thats stupid. But I'm such a rebel for talking about important aspects of a game in it's official thread
Jr's these days.
Yeah I did post that to get a reaction, a reaction which would lead to talking about the fucking game.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Dude, you need to ignore the trolls. I think you made your point why you don't like her, it's clear and well reasoned. [She] It just didn't suit you, that's fine, don't let people give you a hard time about it.
I personally thought that the
Entia Sea
I think her story and her area that she's introduced and ends up in is good for the pace of the game, so that the game isn't on GO GO GO the entire time. It's nice to have lows in the story and take a 'side quest' to go more into a character's background. Now whether you enjoyed that character's background, that's up to you. Sounds to me like you would've preferred her whole thing to just be one side quest, so you can get on to the rest of the game.
I don't know, the older I get and more games that I play it's very easy to nitpick anything in a video game, especially in a JRPG where it's made for a specific audience. I understand your points about the character - and I can definitely see where you're coming from. But it's not going to be a widely held opinion, and that's okay.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Wow you're such a nice poster, especially after I was a dick about the whole spoiler thing. So now I feel bad. So please accept my apology.
I think it looks cool, but then you go into
Alcamoth and it looks cool from the outside and some of the outside garden stuff looked cool. Further inside was a bit of a letdown. It was just kind of big and bland and inside is just like big brown columns of boring. Can't really remember, but I did kind of want some sort of cool cityscape. It actually started to speak to the "wallpaper backgound" complaint that some have. It was cool to be high up in the city and see the world though. Scale is the best part of the world, but I did kind of want more from when I saw it from outside. And to be honest I'm a bit of an idiot when I'm exploring. I get confused by you know which transporters go where and stuff. So I get to this area and I see we have to use them to get around and I'm like ehh. While nothing about it was exactly bad, I can't say it was fun to walk around, felt more like a hassle to figure out where I was going.
It true that you need space in between all the big events when it comes to pacing. So it makes sense for them to do it, but I still just kind of found it uninteresting.
I'm the one who's trolling? Okay.
To be perfectly clear, I'm not giving you a hard time for not liking Melia. I was just amused when you brought up that post and implied she's the worst member combat-wise. Other people were confused what you meant by it as well. Now that your stance has been explained to be solely on her character, that's reasonable.
The rebel comment was kind of a jab at this:
Don't take it as a personal insult.
To be perfectly clear, I'm not giving you a hard time for not liking Melia. I was just amused when you brought up that post and implied she's the worst member combat-wise. Other people were confused what you meant by it as well. Now that your stance has been explained to be solely on her character, that's reasonable.
The rebel comment was kind of a jab at this:
Don't take it as a personal insult.
Nope. Monolith Soft started working on a Wii U game though.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
It's an 80 hour game, there will be unwhelming parts of the game. I think what makes this game so so great is the ratio of awesome:boring in a game this big and ambitious.
That's good enough for me!
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
WTF so I just spent all morning exploring the
and all of a sudden I check the local map and ALL of the map is all of a sudden fully uncovered! How the hell does that happen? There is literally not one black uncovered space. Is this a glitch or some trick to have the game auto uncover the map for you? Or maybe because I spent like two hours exploring the game felt sorry for me?
eryth sea
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
no, it happens when you find every area on a map. Say there's 12 points of interest in a region, you find them all and map goes full clear
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Oh shit I had no clue, awesome!
There was a great guide on how to play Melia in the other OT, is there a guide on how to best use Heropon? I haven't invested a single point into his skills yet, want to know where t spend them first. Also, about what level does it take for Melia to do some great great damage? I'm at Lv45 with her, and she's not as good as my other two. I know I need to get Elect Plus (whatever) to up to a very high percentage to get her to do that, but about what level should I be so that I start over powering?
Killer Yakuza B
Member
What the freak? I sense that someone is talking shit about Melia here! In my book, that's one of the things that you just don't do. You're a bad person, I hope you at least know that.
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OK, that's it! I read the posts! You. Me. Hammers. At Dawn. Killer Yakuza B demands satisfaction!
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OK, that's it! I read the posts! You. Me. Hammers. At Dawn. Killer Yakuza B demands satisfaction!
The current understanding is that it won't be upscaling Wii games. Or did you want to play the game on the tablet controller? That's closer in native reso to 480p
Not actually sure yet whether Wii games will be playable on the tablet screen though.
As for the almighty Heropon, this is what I normally do:
Equip all of his Ether arts (Burninate, Freezinate, Lurgy), Bitey Bitey, and spam the hell out of those abilities and watch the enemy's HP drop like crazy.
Also, make sure to equip appropriate gems to increase damage.
Other useful skills:
-Happy Happy (Free Party Gauge fill-up)
-Hero Time! (Prevents Tension loss in small AoE range, increases one of Riki's stats randomly)
-Roly Poly (Attempts to force Topple; if not, then it forces Bind)
-You Can Do It (AoE Straight Line heal; increased healing if targets have Debuffs)
-Peekaboo (Side hit confuses Mechon enemies)
-Tantrum (3-hit combo; inflicts Break in a frontal cone in front of Riki)
-Say Sorry (Removes Debuffs from enemy; does highly increased damage for each additional Debuff on the enemy)
-Riki is Angry! (Reflects non-Talent Art damage by a random factor of 2, 4, or 8)
Everything else not listed is purely situational.
Also, make sure to equip appropriate gems to increase damage.
Other useful skills:
-Happy Happy (Free Party Gauge fill-up)
-Hero Time! (Prevents Tension loss in small AoE range, increases one of Riki's stats randomly)
-Roly Poly (Attempts to force Topple; if not, then it forces Bind)
-You Can Do It (AoE Straight Line heal; increased healing if targets have Debuffs)
-Peekaboo (Side hit confuses Mechon enemies)
-Tantrum (3-hit combo; inflicts Break in a frontal cone in front of Riki)
-Say Sorry (Removes Debuffs from enemy; does highly increased damage for each additional Debuff on the enemy)
-Riki is Angry! (Reflects non-Talent Art damage by a random factor of 2, 4, or 8)
Everything else not listed is purely situational.
The Hermit
Member
The first part is clearly wrong, she was the most developed character of the game after Shulk and she is the strongest character of the game.
The second part is well... if you didn't like
Makna or The nopom tribe
I can't believe you people are trying to imply that Melia isn't the best character.
I don't think so, but okay.
I don't think so, but okay.
Killer Yakuza B
Member
Can you imagine what sort of empty, meaningless lives they must lead? I get depressed just thinking about it. And then I get angry again, so I try not to. Luckily, I can just look at my avatar and everything is peachy again. But they... they have to live with their sins.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I'm more partial to 7th myself, as far as usefulness. Deals ridiculous damage that can match Melia, while also functioning as a good tank (not quite as good as Dunban, but close). Plus there is the benefit of 7th being good under the AI, while Melia pretty much requires the player to control her in battle to be effective. Only real downside is the lack of ether arts.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Sure, I know Melia isn't hard to use, if you want to use Shulk for Monado arts in some circumstances, you pretty much have to ditch Melia entirely since the AI is not going to be effective.
And one thing I forgot to mention is the wonderful self-healing skill combo you can set up with 7th, which makes tanking all that much better.
And one thing I forgot to mention is the wonderful self-healing skill combo you can set up with 7th, which makes tanking all that much better.
TDLink
Member
Melia is OP from the beginning provided you know what to do with her. Are you stacking her spells properly? Also, I bothered less with the specific element buffs and instead opted for stacking Ether Up gems. It is important to note that the AI has no idea what to do with her and thus she really is only good if you are controlling her.
Riki can play any role...which is why he is awesome. No matter what role you want him to be though (Support, Tank, or Damage-dealing focused) I think there are a few key abilities you want to take on him that are support oriented even if you don't want him in the support role just because they are that good. Those would be "Happy Happy" and "You Can Do It!". Happy Happy will make it so you essentially have infinite party gauge, which leads to many more options in battle and the ability to more freely use chain attacks. You Can Do It! is a great heal that can honestly keep the entire party up just fine (thus foregoing the need to have a dedicated healer on the team if you want). It will also supplement a healer should you choose to take one.
For his damaging abilities I would prioritize taking Tantrum (damaging combo + AoE break), Burninate (good AoE damage), and Lurgy (AoE poison). I am -not- a fan of Freezinate since it is not AoE...instead take Roly-Poly which will either topple or bind the opponent which will more or less get you the same effect but if they are toppled it is better. I like Say Sorry! as well but it is definitely situational. Having it in your lineup for when that situation arises though will make you even more of a powerhouse than normal. I would also probably take Bitey Bitey for the bleed damage even though it is single target. Plus since it bleeds if you are also taking Dunban it can set up some of his "after Gale Slash" requirements.
So yeah, I would say You Can Do It, Happy Happy, Burninate, Tantrum, Lurgy, Roly-Poly, Say Sorry!, and Bitey Bitey are the optimal build (at least in my eyes).
Hope this helped!
This game has got really hard on me all of a sudden
I'm in sword valley and I can't for the life of me do some of these quests that are popping up. 3rd Gate Front Line and the Secure the Radio Tower quests just kick my ass and take my name. It's not even close to a good fight. Am I supposed to be higher level or something? I would save this stuff for later, but I saw somewhere that you have to complete these things on your first time through this because they'll get locked out
TDLink
Member
Did you buy the anti-mechon weapons from Dickson at the start of the area? If not then use Shulk, Melia, and Riki as they will be the only ones able to do damage to the enemies there without Shulk's Monado Enchant ability (which isn't always up).
Yeah, I bought them and have everyone equipped with them. But these things seem like they're too high of a level for me. I'm level 51 and that thing for the radio tower is 55. Am I really somehow undereleveled that badly?
TDLink
Member
Oh, that guy is an optional boss. You can come back and do him later. The area -does- get locked out later on but not for a while. You should be fine if you come back to him before finishing the next area you go to -after- Galahad Fortress (by which point you should be way past him in level). You aren't under-leveled from what I remember for that point in the story.
You can play on safely for a while and complete the next area and return after the events there. The quests should be doable by then. Besides that, there is nothing really important there, only very few quests and a few named monsters. I suggest exploring a bit, though.
Ok, that's good to know, but now I'm really confused as to where I'm supposed to be going. That radio tower guy seems like he's right in the way of where the game wants me to go
Edit: Nevermind I think I found some ramps. This map is confusing.
TDLink
Member
Yeah, it is weird how that area is incredibly straight forward until the very end when it opens in multiple directions and that actually does end up confusing you. The one you want is the sewer-looking thing, I believe.
HigherLevel
Member
Got my copy paid for. Will be really fun to play this weekend after a busy week.