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Xenon is being released Nov 2005, so when are PS3 & Revolution coming?
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sonycowboy
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The End said:Right, and knowing Sony, they won't drop to $99 until the Xenon launches in november.
Well, they certainly shouldn't bother dropping the price until they get their manufacturing issues ironed out. Why drop the price when you don't have any to sell?
This generation is over, so there's no point dropping prices to go after the other guy. It's all a matter of maximizing profit and keeping your eye on the next generation ball.
since when was it confirmed that "xenon" will be out this year? i don't believe it. if sony launches ps3 in late 2006, it gives sony a full year to develop more powerful technology. i know it's been said that a late 2005 launch for xbox 2 will one-up sony in that it will be out of the gate first, amassing a userbase early on. but if ps3 launches late 2006, sony will be one-upping ms with more powerful tech. sony will be able to see ms reveal its cards early, and likely develop something significantly more powerful than xbox 2. on the other hand, if ms waits to release xbox 2 at the same time as ps3 (or maybe a little later) they'd have time to make something really, really powerful -- BUT ms won't have the benefit of getting a head start in the next-gen console race.
sh*t... it seems ms is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
sh*t... it seems ms is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Ghost of Bill Gates
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Shawn said:since when was it confirmed that "xenon" will be out this year? i don't believe it. if sony launches ps3 in late 2006, it gives sony a full year to develop more powerful technology
.... PS3 isn't launching late 2006..just in America. Japanese will have it less than 6 months of xbox2 release.
If you think Sony is going to retool PS3 for Americans you're sadly mistaken.
Shawn said:since when was it confirmed that "xenon" will be out this year? i don't believe it. if sony launches ps3 in late 2006, it gives sony a full year to develop more powerful technology. i know it's been said that a late 2005 launch for xbox 2 will one-up sony in that it will be out of the gate first, amassing a userbase early on. but if ps3 launches late 2006, sony will be one-upping ms with more powerful tech. sony will be able to see ms reveal its cards early, and likely develop something significantly more powerful than xbox 2. on the other hand, if ms waits to release xbox 2 at the same time as ps3 (or maybe a little later) they'd have time to make something really, really powerful -- BUT ms won't have the benefit of getting a head start in the next-gen console race.
sh*t... it seems ms is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
you forgot the part where the japanese hate the Xbox because it's american.
but yeah, they're screwed.
sonycowboy
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Izzy said:I see some people are expecting Q1 2006 PS3 JP launch - don't hold your breath folks.
Now that's what I want to hear. I just don't see the point to launch it in Japan in March. Other than the need to stagger the hardware because of production issues, which granted is a biggie.
I'd much rather see a late summer launch in Japan, like Nintendo did with the Gamecube.
The next generation game console will consist of 2 devices that Sony has talked about. One of them is the Cell microprocessor....the second device that will be a companion device to it is the graphics processor and the graphics processor will also be the image processor and there's all kinds of exciting features that will come out. It's based on the next generation GPU technology and our expectation is to try and put it into production this year. Our next generation GPU has been in development for quite some time as you'd imagine and is something that's near completion.
It is going to be a custom GPU, and its going to be a custom GPU to architect it and optimize to work specifically with the Cell microprocessor. Ultimately if you think about the architecture inside this GPU...it probably was a......this next generation architecture took several hundred people several years to go build, but this specific implementation of that architecture should take about 50 engineers and is something we're running full throttle on and I have every expectation that we will be able to see final production silicon later on in the year.
Nvidia's CEO talks PS3 - final production silicon 'expected' Q4 2005
The key word being 'expected' - they are clearly in no rush, I wouldn't be surprised if it tapes out in early 2006. And we haven't even started talking about mass production.
My prediction: Fall 2006 JP PS3 launch.
Yes, MS really has done poorly in Europe overall, but Sony's success is mostly based on multiplatiform titles. MS can breakout, but it won't be based on success they've established there.sonycowboy said:I'm always surprised by the belief by many that Xbox has somehow overtaken the Playstation in the US (and thus generalized to the west, despite the fact that it's been outsold 6-1 in Europe).
1) I certainly believe that the Xbox had a breakout 2004 and has done better than most expectations this generation.
2) However, the truth is that it took 3 years to catch on and was the second console for most behind the PS2.
3) Now, I do believe that among multi-console owners, the multiplatform version of choice is the superior Xbox version. A huge advantage the Xbox had was the technical advantage which is going to be gone. Will the hardcore tech fans still stick with it as their system of choice?
Next gen could go either way in the US, either the PS3 or Xenon and I think that the #2 will still do very well. However, from a odds perspective, I think you'd have to give Sony at least 3-1 odds to be in first place in the US.
I think it is more that 20 million US residents have had a PS2 since 2000 and are ready for the next generation. I'm not saying they'll all get a Xenon, but MS just needs half of them and half of the current Xbox owners in the US to get a 15 mil running start. Right there they've already surpassed their US Xbox total thus far. The no HD Xenon is for those PS2 owners. HD Xenon is for the casual fans demanding a HD. PC version in 2006 is for the diehard hardcore fanboys/tech fiends.
So, I don't think current multiplatform owners are going to jump on Xenon with lots of big PS2 titles for this holiday.
Xenon will be sold out for the holidays like DS, but we won't know it if is a success till we see it's total LTD though Dec. 06.
sonycowboy
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Izzy said:Nvidia's CEO talks PS3 - final production silicon 'expected' Q4 2005
The key word being 'expected' - they are clearly in no rush, I wouldn't be surprised if it tapes out in early 2006. And we haven't even started talking about mass production.
My prediction: Fall 2006 JP PS3 launch.
I would be a little leery to use the NVidia quote as the benchmark for the release. They're going to be very, very tight lipped and let Sony do all the talking for the PS3 and that includes setting the launch date. I really don't know how much weight we can ascribe to that quote.
MightyHedgehog
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I'd like to see both Xenon and Revolution hit worldwide, starting in 4qtr '05. PS3 in March '06 in Japan, follwing fall release everywhere else.
sonycowboy
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Subitai said:Xenon will be sold out for the holidays like DS, but we won't know it if is a success till we see it's total LTD though Dec. 06.
I think we may see the largest launch we've ever seen in the history of the industry.
1) We've been seeing a ton of Xenon games leaked. Far more than normal since they will be multiplatform and while, not all will make it for launch, it looks like a crap load of games.
2) PS2 had production problems and probably could have sold 5M units in 2000 in the US.
3) Xbox was able to sell 1.5M in November and December 2001 and it was thier first system.
4) For the past several launches, there essentially have NEVER been enough units available so it's safe to assume a significant hightened interest in hardware.
5) Microsoft will probably be racing to get as many units out before the PS3 and Revolution. So why not just release a shit load of units?
It will cost them alot to have that many units as normally the console makers assume a nice bell curve where the sell more later when the cost of the unit has dropped and they don't lose as much per unit.
It is risky, going against a $129/$99 PS2, the PSP, the DS, a $79 GC, and the GBA. If they produce too much hardware and/or software, they're going to look bad. But, it seems like a risk that they should take.
This seems like an excellent reason for them to drop the Xbox - They don't want anyone to buy an Xbox instead of Xenon. They need Xenon to have the absolute highest installed base possible before the other systems arrive.
JoshuaJSlone
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That's some fuzzy math. By the end of 2000 only about 1 million PS2s had been sold in the US. By the end of 2001 about 7.25 million had PS2s, along with 1.4 million Xboxen and 1.2 million GCN. US PS2 took 3 years and 1 month to hit 20 million units.Subitai said:I think it is more that 20 million US residents have had a PS2 since 2000 and are ready for the next generation. I'm not saying they'll all get a Xenon, but MS just needs half of them and half of the current Xbox owners in the US to get a 15 mil running start. Right there they've already surpassed their US Xbox total thus far.
Well, sure. Isn't that what they all try to do at launch? However, Earthly realities tend to get in the way.sonycowboy said:5) Microsoft will probably be racing to get as many units out before the PS3 and Revolution. So why not just release a shit load of units?