sublimit
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This is what MS has promised. And there are people out there who take the word of MS as gospel. And some of these people are suppossed to be "journalists".
XSS might not have Raytracing patch for DMC5
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Whitecrow
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Fair point.
FranXico
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They promised it would play next-gen games. Not that the games would look the same. They listed RDNA2 features, but there's always caveats.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Good, I bought it and put it on my backlog. Haven't even started it yet
This isn't right. Only virgil will be available as DLC for the first game. Everything else will not come to the original version.
Stuart360
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In the XSS Reveal vid, that beard guy said 'same effects, same settings, just at a lowered rendering resolution compared to XSX'. And he said it at 2 different points in the video.
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FranXico
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I stand corrected. But to be fair, it should indeed be understood that they only promise that for first party games.
Stuart360
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Oh for sure, third parties can do what they want. I'm sure there will be some say 1620p/60 XSX games where devs decide to go 1440p/30 on XSS, as oppose to 900p-1080p/60 on XSS.
Portugeezer
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RT doesn't scale like resolution. MS fucked up.
SirTerry-T
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I think the majority (as in the great unwashed who live outside of Forumland) who pick up a Series S, won't put that much importance on RT, they probably won't have a bloody clue what it even means
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sublimit
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They promised that the "primary difference will be the resolution".
Microsoft reveals Xbox Series S specs, promises four times the processing power of Xbox One
The Xbox Series S has a different GPU than the Series X
www.theverge.com
Night.Ninja
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So nothing has been confirmed?
thelastword
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So I assume there is a 4K 60fps option (without RT)? There must be as this should be an easy 4k 60fps on consoles without RT...
Mister Wolf
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Pretty weak performance from both of these consoles that they have to go down to 1080p.
Schmick
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The press release was dated only yesterday. When was the website up? more point when was the website page created? Nothing is confirmed.
There's no mention at all of the Series S anywhere. Even at the bottom of the page where it mentions Xbox One, PS4 and Steam.
I'm going to assume that they haven't got round to adding the text and logo's for the Series S and thats all it is.
Agnostic2020
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Video i posted is from 4 hours ago. We will see but given xsx is 1080p 60 with RT what do u expect for xss ? 540p ?
Schmick
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I don't know, that information hasn't been released.
The issue is the thread title. Nothing is confirmed.
Agnostic2020
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1080p 60 xsx is confirmed if u watch the video capcom released
Bryank75
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Well, they can still upscale.
This is not the last console generation... there is a long road ahead and making powerful hardware capable of raytracing at 4K is still an iteration or two away. There will always be new tech, standards and techniques that require new hardware.
The thing is to look at the side by sides up there and appreciate the advancements being made.... very good frame rates along with full raytracing. That's my take anyway.
Bernd Lauert
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Judging by that performance hit, RT is gonna be a meme on consoles anyway. A 12 TF RDNA2 GPU only manages 1080p60 with RT? Wtf.
And DMC5 is a very well optimized game. It runs at a native 4K60 on the One X. So I assume most games that use RT will run at something stupid like 1080p30. No thanks lmao.
And DMC5 is a very well optimized game. It runs at a native 4K60 on the One X. So I assume most games that use RT will run at something stupid like 1080p30. No thanks lmao.
Mister Wolf
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There are alot of 16:9 resolutions between 1080p and 4K. You dont even have to use a standard 16:9 resolution since it is known that RE Engine has an internal resolution scaler.
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Phrixotrichus
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Everybody that followed PC development since the start of the RTX2xxx release knew this would be happening. That´s why Nvidia introduced DLSS alongside RTX.
With RT some sort of advanced upscaling is needed or you get what you see here......
Mister Wolf
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They need to let you separate the raytraced GI from raytraced reflections. Needs to be a toggle.
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You aren't going running either 4k, 120fps (even 60), or raytracing without sacrificing something, and having them together is going to be reserved for low fidelity games. I think a lot of people are in for a harsh dose of reality.....can't wait for the meltdowns.
Mister Wolf
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This game runs at 4K native 60fps on XB1X. You're telling me that adding raytraced reflections and GI caused a 75% performance hit. These console's AMD hardware RT don't seem up to the task. Once these cards release on PC I'm interested if they even match the 20 series in RT performance.
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Phrixotrichus
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yes, easy. We´ve seen it on PC already.
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yurinka
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So they said in PS5 and Series X it will have 3 modes:
1: 4K 30fps + RT
2: 1080 60fps + RT
3: unknown resolution at 120fps + no RT
Do we know what is going to be the native resolution of the 120fps mode? Since the game was native 4K 60fps in XBO X maybe it's 4K? It would make sense.
I assume the game will be released on Series S too, but won't have the same resolution or framerates than PS5 and Series X so for that reason they decided to don't mention it.
We saw Nvidia achieve great results with DLSS 2.0, and I assume both Sony, MS and AMD may have done something way better than the PS4 Pro checkerboard for PS5 and Series X.
I bet the scaling in next gen consoles will look way better than in PS4 Pro or XB1X, to a point most players won't notice it outside DF and similar videos.
1: 4K 30fps + RT
2: 1080 60fps + RT
3: unknown resolution at 120fps + no RT
Do we know what is going to be the native resolution of the 120fps mode? Since the game was native 4K 60fps in XBO X maybe it's 4K? It would make sense.
At the end of the video and in the description mentions PS5 and Series X, so we should assume this video is about them. They didn't mention Series S, so we don't know what is going to be its native resolution and framerate.
It was a PS5 stream, so they focused on promoting this version and its main benefits over the previous PS4 version (RT and GI plus resolution and framerate options). Later Capcom made another video showcasing these benefits. Sometimes they don't even mention the other versions when they have these kinds of marketing deals, but this time they mentioned that Series X shares these benefits.
I assume the game will be released on Series S too, but won't have the same resolution or framerates than PS5 and Series X so for that reason they decided to don't mention it.
Yes, and in fact I'm curious about what next gen scaling are they going to use in Series X and PS5, and to see how it looks.
We saw Nvidia achieve great results with DLSS 2.0, and I assume both Sony, MS and AMD may have done something way better than the PS4 Pro checkerboard for PS5 and Series X.
I bet the scaling in next gen consoles will look way better than in PS4 Pro or XB1X, to a point most players won't notice it outside DF and similar videos.
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Mister Wolf
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Not really.
CONTROL PC Performance Explored - All In On RTX
Keith firmly believes that Control is best played and enjoyed on PC with all of the ray trancing NVIDIA features enabled.
wccftech.com
A game that's doing more than reflections and GI.
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GaviotaGrande
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What's the resolution of these reflections? 360p?
Here you can see that it reflects a lower LOD model to save on performance:
Here you can see that it reflects a lower LOD model to save on performance:
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Phrixotrichus
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Wrong.Not really.
CONTROL PC Performance Explored - All In On RTX
Keith firmly believes that Control is best played and enjoyed on PC with all of the ray trancing NVIDIA features enabled.
A game that's doing more than reflections and GI.
The most expensive RT feature, GI, is not used in Control. So far only Metro Exodus dared to do that.
And DMC here just does it all at once.
That performance drop is entirely expected.
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Bernd Lauert
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It's a 75% performance hit on a GPU that is more than twice as powerful. It's absolutely wild tbh.
Agnostic2020
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We know but on their site it says ps5 and xsx and at the end of raytracing video uploaded 6 hours ago
SaturnSaturn
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lol OP still hasnt updated his first post with the info from capcom about a 120fps mode and that series s will get raytracing in a downloadable update.
Guess its more important to shit on xbox every single day
Guess its more important to shit on xbox every single day
sxodan
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I think you need to update the first post. The title is clearly wrong.We know but on their site it says ps5 and xsx and at the end of raytracing video uploaded 6 hours ago
Mister Wolf
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You may have been confused by its name but "indirect Diffuse Lighting" is Global Illumination.
Global illumination - Wikipedia
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Agnostic2020
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If u check first page i already tagged a mod to change the title which will be changed soon
Phrixotrichus
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No, it`s not.....
Control uses a mixture of standard-prebaked GI and RT-IDL. It does not just hit RTX-ON like Metro.
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M1chl
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So that means, that XSS will get it. They just used bad logo then.Here's one part from the press release if anyone is interested.
Agnostic2020
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Maybe . Probably 720p 60 ?? Not sure. I m sure soon they will clarify
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M1chl
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Probably yeah, or if they feel adventurous maybe 900p, but I doubt it. 1080p/30 at best.
Compsiox
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Nah I was right. They mentioned it in the press release and not on the promotional material made before the announcement.
Azurro
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Hey, if people didn't have enough of cross-gen games, MS went the extra mile and created the very first cross-gen console, the Series S. Like Forrest Gump says, you never know what you are gonna get.
