YESSSS x2! AVATAR trailer #2 is NOW LIVE!!!! (mark ALL spoilers)

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Scullibundo said:
Lately? I've been doing it since the beginning of 06. :lol

I'll do it for myself and those who are interested (of which there are many despite the detractors). I do it because I really do think this movie will be a game-changer in a big big way and that this is absolutely the film to watch.
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A game changer? The real question is, will it outsell Titanic?
I think not.
 
I know, I know :D .

Thanks to your threads I even got to know about the RED cameras: once you begin to dig into the realms of digital and 3D -or stereo, as our man likes to call it-, you have to read a lot. By the way, I was told by one set decorator of Steven Soderbergh's Che that his RED camera got hot like hell while filming in Spain, they had to put frozen plastic bags to keep it cool.


Titanic? Not a chance. Although I don't remember if Cameron said he would release a 2D version or not.
 
megateto said:
Thanks to your threads I even got to know about the RED cameras: once you begin to dig into the realms of digital and 3D -or stereo, as our man likes to call it-, you have to read a lot. By the way, I was told by one set decorator of Steven Soderbergh's Che that his RED camera got hot like hell while filming in Spain, they had to put frozen plastic bags to keep it cool.
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Hot like hell is an understatement in my experience.
 
xabre said:
But it only runs at 24fps. It should run at 48fps.
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Sony's CineAlta FD950's (which were used on Avatar) can run at 48 fps. Cameron and Vince Pace did tests at this frame rate (in stereo 3D too) and said it looked absolutely mindblowing.

However they couldn't shoot Avatar this way because current digital projectors can't run that fast in 3D without modifications.

Now, from what I understand, Cameron still plans to shoot Avatar 2 and/or Battle Angel at 48 fps.
 
Rindain said:
However they couldn't shoot Avatar this way because current digital projectors can't run that fast in 3D without modifications.
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They still could of shot it in 48fps to future proof it while converting back to 24fps in the meantime.
 
xabre said:
They still could of shot it in 48fps to future proof it while converting back to 24fps in the meantime.
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Good point. Maybe there were cost / bandwidth issues they still had to work out?
 
Because a modification would need to be made to all digital projectors. They actually have the capability though.

Our current generation of digital projectors can currently run up to 144 frames per second, and they are still being improved. So right now, today, we could be shooting 2-D movies at 48 frames and running them at that speed. This alone would make 2-D movies look astonishingly clear and sharp, at very little extra cost, with equipment that's already installed or being installed. I've run tests on 48 frame per second stereo and it is stunning. The cameras can do it, the projectors can (with a small modification) do it.

So why aren't we doing it, as an industry? Because people have been asking the wrong question for years. They have been so focused on resolution, and counting pixels and lines, that they have forgotten about frame rate. A 2K image at 48 frames per second looks as sharp as a 4K image at 24 frames per second ... with one fundamental difference: the 4K/24 image will judder miserably during a panning shot, and the 2K/48 won't.

If every single digital theater was perceived by the audience as being equivalent to Imax or Showscan in image quality, which is readily achievable with off-the-shelf technology now, running at higher frame rates, then isn't that the same kind of marketing hook as 3-D itself? Something you can't get at home. An aspect of the film that you can't pirate.

Of course, the ideal format is 3-D/2K/48 fps projection. I'd love to have done 'Avatar' at 48 frames. But I have to fight these battles one at a time. I'm just happy people are waking up to 3-D.

Maybe on "Avatar 2."
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megateto said:
So it really is that bad? Did it seem fixeable to you?

She gave a very vague answer, she's not that much into technical things.
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You mean by Red with future versions of the camera? I'd hope so, but I have little idea about how technology's moving to offer better cooling options.

Our camera appeared to overheat and crash once, but after resting for a bit booted back up alright. I mean, for the most part the heat didn't affect anything, but it can be unnerving, especially after it crashes once.
 
Is it like literally 197 cameras?
Or like kinda sorta 197 cameras?
 
I'm not a film maker, but I actually thought about using a lot of cameras and the advantages. Full 360 films, that kind of shit. I didn't realize what he's doing until now.

My interest has risen a lot.
 
Mattel have been chosen to produce the toyline for AVATAR.

“Mattel’s AVATAR toy line will feature heroes, creatures and vehicles straight from the blockbuster film. Each action figure or vehicle will come with a 3D web tag, bringing a new level of interactivity to Mattel’s newest action play line. Utilizing a computer’s webcam, consumers can “scan” the web tag, unlocking special content unique to the product, like bio information on action figures and creatures, virtually on a home computer.”
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So I just realized that James Horner is doing the score for this movie (should have figured...)... That makes me more interested now ;O
 
wtf is wrong with you people

If there's no teaser, stop bumping this thread!

(and yes, I realize the irony that by complaining about this thread being bumped, I have bumped it. but it was already on the 1st page so that doesn't matter.)
 
Blader5489 said:
wtf is wrong with you people

If there's no teaser, stop bumping this thread!
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The fact that the movie is out this year and there has been no teaser yet is quite concerning...
 
layzie1989 said:
if the movie is in 3d how the hell will the teaser even be able to represent the movie?

I WANT A TEASER GOD DAMNIt
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Attached to Monsters vs Aliens perhaps?

And it's still over 10 months away. No teaser isn't really that concerning.
 
layzie1989 said:
if the movie is in 3d how the hell will the teaser even be able to represent the movie?

I WANT A TEASER GOD DAMNIt
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If the movie doesn't work without the useless 3D garbage then James Cameron has failed. Personally I KNOW I won't be bothering to spend the extra money to watch it in 3D. Fuck that gimmick. 2D FO LIFE
 
layzie1989 said:
if the movie is in 3d how the hell will the teaser even be able to represent the movie?
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The movie is still going to have a widespread 2d release.
 
jett said:
If the movie doesn't work without the useless 3D garbage then James Cameron has failed. Personally I KNOW I won't be bothering to spend the extra money to watch it in 3D. Fuck that gimmick. 2D FO LIFE
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He has already echoed his thoughts that if the movie doesn't work in 2D then it won't be worth much in 3D.
 
Scullibundo said:
I'm sure you meant to link to Battle Angel.
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Well, I do want to see that whenever it comes out too... but I really did like Cameron's documentaries. I wish they'd release the live Discovery one he did in 2005 on video.
 
Kagari said:
Well, I do want to see that whenever it comes out too... but I really did like Cameron's documentaries. I wish they'd release the live Discovery one he did in 2005 on video.
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Yeah but The Dive isn't directed by Cameorn, he's only writer/producer. He was rumoured to be directing it a while ago, but I'm pretty sure he handed it off. I doubt he would move onto something else with Battle Angel so far along the prep timeline.
 
Reason we don't have a teaser yet.

Michael here - Over the last few days I heard from a couple sources that James Cameron has been reviewing (and summarily rejecting) teaser after potential teaser for Avatar. One mentioned that Fox has delivered six potential trailers, all of which were turned down.

So, when will we see the first teaser? Let us review some of the possibilities...


Monsters Vs. Aliens


Other than Cameron himself, Jeffrey Katzenberg has been perhaps the most ardent evangelist for 3-D. Not only will Monsters Vs. Aliens be a big event in itself, but I can see Cameron placing the first Avatar footage in front of Katzenberg's film as a way of paying respect to the work Katzenberg has done for the 3-D cause. Also, MvA releases only 4 days before ShoWest. I would expect that if Cameron is planning on showing something in Vegas, then he would rather have the first public glimpse be an official 3-D teaser in front of MvA, rather than blurry 2-D spy footage leaked to the internet from Showest.



X-Men Origins: Wolverine


If we don't see the teaser in front of MvA, then Wolverine is the next likely possibility. I'm sure Fox would love the extra business that the Avatar teaser would bring. Also, releasing at this point would also get the trailer in front of Star Trek and Terminator: Salvation, both of which star Avatar actors and are sure to draw huge crowds. However, would Cameron want the public's first impression of Avatar to be 2-D?



Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

A 2-D trailer could release in front of Transformers 2 on June 24. There's a good chance Transformers 2 will be the biggest film of the summer, so it would be a wise place to show off the biggest film of the year.
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http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/02/when-will-we-see-first-avatar-trailer.html
 
Scullibundo said:
I don't think anything will outgross Titanic for a long long time. I highly doubt this will.
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Actually, the highest grossing movie of all time is Gone With the Wind. So long as you consider inflation.
 
Scullibundo said:
That's what they said about Cameron's last movie.
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That they did, and look how that turned out.

Vinci said:
Actually, the highest grossing movie of all time is Gone With the Wind. So long as you consider inflation.
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Psh, no one cares about adjusting for inflation. Titanic still wins ;D
 
Scullibundo said:
That's what they said about Cameron's last movie.
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I like Cameron, but I too think this will be a huge flop.
Unless Celine Dion is on the soundtrack, then maybe it has a chance.



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Darko said:
I like Cameron, but I too think this will be a huge flop.
Unless Celine Dion is on the soundtrack, then maybe it has a chance.



lol
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:lol :lol :lol

I'm still hesitant about it. It really doesn't have a lot going for it aside from Cameron's name, new technology, whatever.
At least Titanic was based on a real event that remains a popular subject even today.
 
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