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[TemplaerDude]

this whole tipping debate thing is hilarious. I don't get it.

In Australia we don't tip. The way it should be.

yea well when you bastards come to canada, you should learn how to. some of us live off of those.

 

[Sadako Yamamura]

A questions for our American friends. Do the workers at a supermarket or fast food restaurant (McDonalds, KFC etc.) get paid minimum wage?

 

[LQX]

Most I have ever given is $1 no matter the amount and that's for delivery. Get a better job if you need tips to survive. Its ridiculous we have to tip certain people for doing there jobs.

 

[Spider from Mars]

A questions for our American friends. Do the workers at a supermarket or fast food restaurant (McDonalds, KFC etc.) get paid minimum wage?

A majority of them do. Some make a little more, but rarely more than a dollar or so over.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Most I have ever given is $1 no matter the amount and that's for delivery. Get a better job if you need tips to survive. Its ridiculous we have to tip certain people for doing there jobs.

Take up your federal payment law problems with the government. Don't fuck over the little guy over your bitterness.

 

[Sadako Yamamura]

A majority of them do. Some make a little more, but rarely more than a dollar or so over.

Do most Americans tip the supermarket workers?

 

[Jeff Albertson]

I'm English and I only ever tip of the service is particulary good.

However when I've been to America I always made sure to tip at least 20%.

There is a cultural difference though where in England servers get at least minimum wage so unless they go out of their way to help there is no real reason to tip more than there is to tip the guy in GAME or whatever.

 

[Divvy]

Take up your federal payment law problems with the government. Don't fuck over the little guy over your bitterness.

Shouldn't 'the little guy' take it up with the government? Doesn't really seem like the consumer's problem.

 

[Spider from Mars]

Do most Americans tip the supermarket workers?

No, they usually never get tipped due to the fact that they make minimum wage, waiters make 5 dollars an hour or so under minimum wage and have to make up the difference with tips. Sometimes waiters can make 200 bucks in a 6 hour shift, sometimes 20. Peoples generosity makes a big difference.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

yea well when you bastards come to canada, you should learn how to. some of us live off of those.

I don't know which Aussie's you've met are, but in general, we're not stupid (well...). Whenever I'm overseas I always remember to tip.

 

[Ratba]

No, they usually never get tipped due to the fact that they make minimum wage, waiters make 5 dollars an hour or so under minimum wage and have to make up the difference with tips. Sometimes waiters can make 200 bucks in a 6 hour shift, sometimes 20. Them not being horrible at their job and peoples generosity makes a big difference.

I think that's a little more accurate.

 

[ATF487]

A questions for our American friends. Do the workers at a supermarket or fast food restaurant (McDonalds, KFC etc.) get paid minimum wage?

Yes.

In principal, I don't like tipping; it shifts the burden of wages to the consumer. Then again, no one really gives a shit what I think, so I tip because if I don't, the waitress/waiter gets fucked over. Maybe if they spat in my food, and were unnecessarily rude to me, I wouldn't tip, but if you get me my food and don't give me shit, then you get 15-25% (the more expensive a meal is, the closer it is to 15%)

In your situation, it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary to not leave a tip, the guy didn't do a wonderful job. Then again, he didn't seem like he was out to get you (unless you felt he was ignoring you on purpose), so maybe a small tip (5% or so) would send a better message.

 

[LQX]

Take up your federal payment law problems with the government. Don't fuck over the little guy over your bitterness.

Nothing to do with bitterness but why should the money from my job supplement your decision to get a job that requires tips? Whats nuts is that some of these people make out like bandits from all the tips they get.

 

[Kool Aid]

Yes.

In principal, I don't like tipping; it shifts the burden of wages to the consumer. Then again, no one really gives a shit what I think, so I tip because if I don't, the waitress/waiter gets fucked over. Maybe if they spat in my food, and were unnecessarily rude to me, I wouldn't tip, but if you get me my food and don't give me shit, then you get 15-25% (the more expensive a meal is, the closer it is to 15%)

Yeah, these are pretty much my thoughts on the subject. I absolutely despise tipping as an institution for numerous reasons, but I'm not about to take that frustration out on a worker making below minimum wage.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

yea well when you bastards come to canada, you should learn how to. some of us live off of those.

perhaps those people should get a better job if they need them to survive.

 

[Sadako Yamamura]

waiters make 5 dollars an hour or so under minimum wage and have to make up the difference with tips.

How often do people question the legality of a system like that?
For a first world country, it seems more like third world slave labour.
Whats the point of having a minimum wage if workers don't receive it?

 

[subrock]

For EXCEPTIONALLY bad service I have walked out on a tip once. if a waiter is earnest and despite flubbing orders and continues to try to fix things and make you happy then I feel as though they definitely deserve their tip. If they are just absent minded and seem like they dont give a shit, can you blame em? tip em anyways.

the way I look at it, these people probably dont get paid all that well, and if you can make someone else's life better with a couple of bucks, meh, why not?

 

[StriKeVillain]

I wouldn't tip her. In fact, already have done so before. Really, I do not give a crap if you had a shitty day, you have a job and that job, sadly for you, is to serve me. If you don't like it, then sorry, no money for you.

And yes, I know I sounded like an asshole, but its the truth.

I'm with you buddy.

I had a cousin who got the worst service ever. I'm talking about the waiter avoiding them to refill drinks. Refusing to hear their complaints when they weren't served the proper food. Just avoiding them through their entire meal. Needless to say, they left him a $1.00 bill with one of the greasy steak bones they left sitting right on top of it.

Awesome.

 

[subrock]

I'm with you buddy.

I had a cousin who got the worst service ever. I'm talking about the waiter avoiding them to refill drinks. Refusing to hear their complaints when they weren't served the proper food. Just avoiding them through their entire meal. Needless to say, they left him a $1.00 bill with one of the greasy steak bones they left sitting right on top of it.

Awesome.

Ultimate passive aggression. classy.

 

[Keylime]

20% is my standard.
25% for exceptional.
10% for especially bad.
0% in very awful situations.

90% of the time they get 20%.
5% of the time they get 25%.
3% of the time they get 0%.
2% of the time they get 10%.

100% of the time, these threads are great reads.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I'm with you buddy.

I had a cousin who got the worst service ever. I'm talking about the waiter avoiding them to refill drinks. Refusing to hear their complaints when they weren't served the proper food. Just avoiding them through their entire meal. Needless to say, they left him a $1.00 bill with one of the greasy steak bones they left sitting right on top of it.

Awesome.

You know when you're getting bad service in the middle of your stay in the restaurant. Why not talk to a manager early and get treated right instead of waiting until the end to be passive-aggressive pussies?

 

[subrock]

20% is my standard.
25% for exceptional.
10% for especially bad.
0% in very awful situations.

90% of the time they get 20%.
5% of the time they get 25%.
3% of the time they get 0%.
2% of the time they get 10%.

100% of the time, these threads are great reads.

how much for hot waitress/waiter?

 

[Sharp]

In theory, yes. In practice, I usually give a worse tip for bad service, even though I know the tip is split among the busboys etc.

Also for some reason I thought this was going to be a cow-tipping thread when I first read it.

 

[Spider from Mars]

How often do people question the legality of a system like that?
For a first world country, it seems more like third world slave labour.
Whats the point of having a minimum wage if workers don't receive it?

Well, if the waiter doesn't hit minimum wage with tips, the restaurant is supposed to compensate them for the difference.

 

[YagizY]

Depends. If you are a shitty waiter/waitress and the you fuck up and are apologetic about it, I tip. If you suck and you don't bother acknowledging it or saying sorry for a fuck up, no tip or close to no tip (a buck).

 

[Keylime]

how much for hot waitress/waiter?

No bearing on the tip, however I've put my friend's phone number on a few reciepts :lol

 

[industrian]

With me being from Scotland, I don't tip nor am I expected to. The only guys I used to tip were taxi drivers who I had good conversation with and got me where I wanted to be quickly. I'd give them a fiver and tell them to get a couple of pints once their shift ended. Then I noticed fares were increasing so I stopped. That and I stopped taking taxis and started walking everywhere instead.

Now that I'm in Korea I kind of expected them to have adopted the American tradition (as they seem to do with everything) of tipping but I found out that they actually find tipping offensive. Which suits me fine really.

 

[Dipswitch]

Eh, I start at 20% and scale it back if the service is abysmal. Takes a fair bit to piss me off though, so if I leave less than 15% as a tip you really should ask yourself whether that was my dog you ran over last week......

 

[ZROCOOL]

25% excellent service
15% alright service
0 % awful service

Edit- As for your waiter he would get the awful service percentage.

 

[malek4980]

Nothing to do with bitterness but why should the money from my job supplement your decision to get a job that requires tips? Whats nuts is that some of these people make out like bandits from all the tips they get.

Either they receive the money through fairer wages or through tips. In either instance, you'll be paying for the services they provide you with. When you buy a product or use a service, you're also paying for the CEO's and celebrity endorser's seven or eight figure salaries. But do you complain? You rather begrudge a delivery man or a waitress a few measly dollars.

Decision? In this economy, many will take any job they can get. Even in the best circumstances, not everyone gets to pick and choose his profession.

Bandits? Yeah, taxi-drivers, waiters, delivery men, and bellhops make out like bandits. GTFO of here.

 

[Chris R]

Also, add to all of that: waiters don't have a weekend night life. Being a waiter means giving up 4-6 nights a week in most restaurants. While you're enjoying your night out, that person is working and missing out on a social life.

Boo Fucking Hoo.

I tip 10-15% on average. Also depends on how much work was involved. If the barista gets my order perfectly correct, and makes my drink quickly, I'll usually throw in 50 cents (my drink is only 2.50). For the very worst waiters, they get no tip. If they can't spend 3 minuets on me and others at my table over the period of 45-60 minuets, refilling drinks, making sure everything is alright, orders are correct, ect, why should they be rewarded?

 

[notsol337]

I tip for the worst service ever. Even if I have a rude waiter/waitress. The thing is, the amount changes. If it's the worst service possible, then the person gets a 1 cent tip. You pay them what they are worth.

 

[KHarvey16]

perhaps those people should get a better job if they need them to survive.

You're not too smart, huh?

I tip unless the person is being an absolute dick, which luckily has never happened. 90% of the time slow service is because the place is packed and I'd never hold that against a waiter.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

You're not too smart, huh?

I tip unless the person is being an absolute dick, which luckily has never happened.

no in Canada there is a minimum wage, if your getting lower then it i suggest you complain or take it up with the government.

EDIT: the minimum wage is 8.90.
EDIT: Arstal i'm not writing an essay, grammar policing isn't needed.

 

[VPhys]

Funny you mention this OP.

Last week was the first time I did not tip. In the past I have felt obligated to tip even with bad or below average service. I have since taken the leap to not tip on bad service and it feels like a weight has been taken off my shoulders.

 

[Atrus]

Bandits? Yeah, taxi-drivers, waiters, delivery men, and bellhops make out like bandits. GTFO of here.

He is correct. Some people in cash based services do make out like bandits, and taxi-drivers are high risk candidates for undeclared income.

 

[trinest]

America needs to pay people proper wages- here in the land of the free we don't tip because its stupid and we get paid real money.

 

[KHarvey16]

no in Canada there is a minimum wage, if your getting lower then it i suggest you complain or take it up with the government.

EDIT: the minimum wage is 8.90.

And those who work in a job where gratuity is expected do not always qualify for minimum wage.

America needs to pay people proper wages- here in the land of the free we don't tip because its stupid and we get paid real money.

Either we pay them the difference in tips or it gets charged to us through the cost of food and we have absolutely no say in how much we give them. I'll let you think about it and let me know which you think is better.

 

[arstal]

My rule is 15%, not counting drink price- for service. Minimum $1 no matter what. (sometimes I get the Speedy which goes for $3.60 locally)

The minimum is to not shaft the waiter over my cheapness.

I will bump up if service is exceptional.

Bad service- I knock down a bit (very rare- usually only twice a year)

Horrible service- 1 penny tip (very rare-only done twice)

buffets- 10%. They're not serving food.

 

[malek4980]

no in Canada there is a minimum wage, if your getting lower then it i suggest you complain or take it up with the government.

It's "you're," not "your." And it's "than," not "then."

The minimum wage varies by province in Canada. "Liquor Servers," waiters or bartenders, get less than the regular minimum.

 

[Atrus]

And those who work in a job where gratuity is expected do not always qualify for minimum wage.

Either we pay them the difference in tips or it gets charged to us through the cost of food and we have absolutely no say in how much we give them. I'll let you think about it and let me know which you think is better.

Which province would that be?

 

[KHarvey16]

Which province would that be?

Quebec at least. Maybe more.

 

[LQX]

Either they receive the money through fairer wages or through tips. In either instance, you'll be paying for the services they provide you with. When you buy a product or use a service, you're also paying for the CEO's and celebrity endorser's seven or eight figure salaries. But do you complain? You rather begrudge a delivery man or a waitress a few measly dollars.

Decision? In this economy, many will take any job they can get. Even in the best circumstances, not everyone gets to pick and choose his profession.

Bandits? Yeah, taxi-drivers, waiters, delivery men, and bellhops make out like bandits. GTFO of here.

I would much rather pay Jorge in the back that actually made the food. And yeah I know I'm paying for CEO's and celebrity salaries when I buy a service they provide but I don't mind because its all up front. I don't expect after watching a Will Smith movie to the have to tip the extras outside of the theater.

Yes decision. And I didn't say all but I would imagine some do make out like bandits especially if they work in some of these posh places or where some of you go to eat and leave $20 tips or still tip after getting bad service.

 

[KHarvey16]

I would much rather pay Jorge in the back that actually made the food. And yeah I know I'm paying for CEO's and celebrity salaries when I buy a service they provide but I don't mind because its all up front. I don't expect after watching a Will Smith movie to the have to tip the extras outside of the theater.

Yes decision. And I didn't say all but I would imagine some do make out like bandits especially if they work in some of these posh places or where some of you go to eat and leave $20 tips or still tip after getting bad service.

You have to be good to work in a high class restaurant, and you get paid better because of it just like any other job.

It's actually a pretty damn good system and people who complain about it aren't thinking it through at all.

 

[BolognaOni]

I generally tip somewhere between 10-20%. I don't know what I'd do if I had truly horrible service, but I can't remember the last time I was pissed off enough at a server that I even thought about not leaving a tip. Might have something with being fairly easy going...

I really do resent that tipping is a cultural, and even "legal" responsibility in the US though (due to the wage situation). Tips in general just kind of piss me off. They didn't until I spent a significant amount of time in parts of the world where you don't generally leave tips. That is just much nicer. If service suffers as a result, I can't say I've noticed...

Yes, if tips weren't expected, you'd pay the wage difference in the cost of food. So what? You already do, and if you're one of the more generous people you're shouldering MORE of that cost, because you have to make up for the cheap-asses.

 

[entremet]

I always tip. But if I got that kind of service, I just would not go to that restaurant again.

 

[shintoki]

Waiters will make a enough regardless if you tip them or not, don't buy into that bullshit about how they make under min and deserve one just for that. They give you shit service, Don't tip them.
As long as they aren't an asshole to every table, They'll make far more than min wage when its all said and done. Completely tax free I might add.

Some places do share tips around(Which they should) to all the workers who serve the customers. Is were my problem comes in. If the waiter is an ass...Then it's easy. But allot of times the other people aren't.

 

[TurboLibre]

A questions for our American friends. Do the workers at a supermarket or fast food restaurant (McDonalds, KFC etc.) get paid minimum wage?

Employees in a supermarket have very specific jobs. They make sandwiches, they bag groceries, use the register, they're usually devoted to only a few tasks. The courtesy clerk is a bit more varied though since they also grab carts and clean up messes, but customer interaction with them is minimal, so tipping isn't likely. The same thing with fast food workers, only I believe they do make more then minimum wage.

A waiter/waitress is doing a ton of different things at once. They're taking/submitting orders, bringing out food, refilling drinks, cashing out, and making sure the customer is happy, ect... They're also doing this with a lot of people at once, which makes those tasks a constant juggling act.

They'll make far more than min wage when its all said and done. Completely tax free I might add..

They have to report their tips, I'm pretty sure they do get taxed for them.

 

[Atrus]

Quebec at least. Maybe more.

It isn't exempt in Alberta: http://employment.alberta.ca/SFW/5925.html
British Columbia: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=224
Manitoba: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=225
New Brunswick: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=226
Newfoundland: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=227
Nova Scotia (despite a huge exception list): http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=228
NWT: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=229
Nunavut: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=230
Ontario (although they have different standards for minimum wages by occupation):
http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=231
Yukon: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=235
PEI: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=232
Quebec: http://www2.publicationsduquebec.go...telecharge.php?type=2&file=/N_1_1/N1_1_A.html

"50. Any gratuity or tip paid directly or indirectly by a patron to an employee who provided the service belongs to the employee of right and must not be mingled with the wages that are otherwise due to the employee. The employer must pay at least the prescribed minimum wage to the employee without taking into account any gratuities or tips the employee receives."


Unknown:
Saskatchewan: Stipulates that minimum wage is guaranteed and posts no exceptions: http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=234

 

[KHarvey16]

Waiters will make a enough regardless if you tip them or not, don't buy into that bullshit about how they make under min and deserve one just for that.

What? :lol