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[Big-E]

That's just it, no one considers tipping to be an integral part of who we are as human beings, we just accept that this is the way things are. These people are paid with the consideration that they'll be making tips, and even if some of the assholes in this thread are grossly offended by the idea of giving a few bucks to the person that puts food in front of you, not giving that few bucks to the little guy isn't sending a message or changing things, it just makes them look bad and takes money out of their pockets.

If you want to change how Domino's, or Olive Garden, or some other restaurant pays their employees, write a letter, but stop using normal working people as an excuse for you (not this poster, the others in this thread arguing against tipping) to continue to be a cheap fucking douchebag.

Well stated.

"Let them eat cake."

Even better. I just love how people think its just so trivial to change jobs. Don't like getting paid minimum wage? Just get a new job. Life is so fucking simple ain't it. People in here need Roddy Piper to come to their homes and give them a reality check.

 

[soundahfekz]

That's just it, no one considers tipping to be an integral part of who we are as human beings, we just accept that this is the way things are. These people are paid with the consideration that they'll be making tips, and even if some of the assholes in this thread are grossly offended by the idea of giving a few bucks to the person that puts food in front of you, not giving that few bucks to the little guy isn't sending a message or changing things, it just makes them look bad and takes money out of their pockets.

If you want to change how Domino's, or Olive Garden, or some other restaurant pays their employees, write a letter, but stop using normal working people as an excuse for you (not this poster, the others in this thread arguing against tipping) to continue to be a cheap fucking douchebag.

Yeah, I'm not gonna stiff the guy/girl serving me my food with a smile. who knows why they may have taken the job, but obviously it's needed. That protest shit is garbage, and an excuse to be cheap :lol

If I can't tip I'll keep my ass and home and buy groceries. You're not gonna change the restaurant business model of an entire nation by stiffing some poor chap trying to get by off gratuity.

 

[gutterboy44]

A guy at work never tips the delivery people when we order lunch. It drives me crazy when people are making a decent living and refuse to tip people who are providing them a service. Especially NYC delivery guys who have to ride their bikes through bat shit insane traffic and get paid fuck all. Bad weather (crazy hot, rain, snow, etc) I increase my tip. I didn't feel like going to your restaurant, and you rode here in the rain, guess what, I don't care if you are making $50/hr as a delivery boy, you are still getting a tip from me as a thank you for you making your life shitter to make mine better. Shit rolls down hill but generosity should too.

These take life by the balls, exploit anything thing you can people disgust me. I guarantee 90% of people in this thread saying, "why only tip waiters when the cook is doing more work" "how come only certain jobs get tips" don't tip anyone but waiters. If someone is awesome, and it is appropriate to tip them, they get a tip. Dude who will go into the back freezer for me at the deli and get me a case of beer even though they never put cases out for sale, he gets a tip. The guy who makes the heros at the deli will just ask us how many we want when we walk in and he will make our "usual" hero and hand them to us even when there are five asshole kids inline in front of us. He does this because we are always polite and we always tip.

Gestures of kindness reap far greater benefits in life then trying to exploit the people beneath you. If you don't believe me, next time you are on a flight bring some candies for the flight staff. You will have to fend off the free drinks. My brother taught me that trick and any flight over 3 hours, I bring candy for the crew. Mmmm free booze.

 

[agrajag]

Why are you associating complaining about poor service with being an idiot/douche? You know sometimes, the waiter really does fuck up a lot/big time. Sometimes they'll ignore your table for a table with hot girls, or mess up your order even after you've corrected them for the second time, or will fuck around with other waiters in plain site while your endless shrimp dish lay empty, your glass of water dry from the wait, and 45minutes behind you. You know - that sort of thing happens. And I am sorry, I do not feel even a little obligated to tip someone for doing a fucktastic job.

I work in the food industry and from my experience in the behind the scenes, the customers are assholes more often than the servers. A lot more often. But the customer is always right, so whatever.

 

[Kinitari]

Where has anyone said you should give them all your money?

Give all of them my money, not give them all of my money.

 

[oneHeero]

Well stated.



Even better. I just love how people think its just so trivial to change jobs. Don't like getting paid minimum wage? Just get a new job. Life is so fucking simple ain't it.

What fucken minimum wage are you talking about? Min Wage in here is $6.55/hr which is actually survivable in San Antonio. I doubt pizza guys only get that much. My wife works at walgreens in the cosmetics dept. She doesnt get tips for grabbing colognes/perfumes/watches for people and putting them back when they say nevermind. And if you think its difficult to change fucken jobs when working as a delivery job than you must live in some shit hole city that has no job opportunities.

EDIT: I should actually clarify, I would more than likely, tip delivery guys pretty good if I lived somewhere like New York. I live in san antonio though, where the delivery job market isnt exactly comparable to that of NY's.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I didn't feel like going to your restaurant, and you rode here in the rain, guess what, I don't care if you are making $50/hr as a delivery boy, you are still getting a tip from me as a thank you for you making your life shitter to make mine better. Shit rolls down hill but generosity should too.

Exactly. If it's especially hot or cold, my tip goes up immediately to 40-50 percent.

 

[Ikuu]

So you are a cheapskate then. Do you take a cab and demand your 77 cents in change because thats his job too? Hope you guys like waiting an hour for pizza.

I don't tip as I don't live in a country that it's expected, and I'm not saying you shouldn't tip them, but you make it sound like it's some favour and not a job he is being paid for.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

My wife works at walgreens in the cosmetics dept. She doesnt get tips for grabbing colognes/perfumes/watches for people and putting them back when they say nevermind. .

Maybe your wife should get a better fucking job then.

 

[Big-E]

Maybe your wife should get a better fucking job then.

:lol It's so easy ain't it. San Antonio must be a fucking shit city then if she can't make more than a delivery guy.

 

[oneHeero]

Maybe your wife should get a better fucking job then.

Thats where your missing the fucken point. We arent bitching about her not getting tip you fucken douchbag.

No one has responded so quick edit not stealth. Its never EVER been mentioned from anyuone I know that my wife's type of job should get tipped. Its fucken ludicrous to think she should get tipped for doing her job, thats the fucken point.

 

[TemplaerDude]

although this thread took a little longer than usual to devolve into "i'm a cheap skate, get a better job" comments, it was pretty inevitable.

 

[Petrie]

Maybe your wife should get a better fucking job then.

Awesome.

I mean it.

:lol It's so easy ain't it. San Antonio must be a fucking shit city then if she can't make more than a delivery guy.

I love it. Love it.

 

[Narag]

Maybe your wife should get a better fucking job then.

Holy hell. :lol

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Thats where your missing the fucken point.

Is he, though?

 

[UltimaPooh]

Maybe your wife should get a better fucking job then.

Jesus Christ. Really?

Cause you know people are just handing out a shit ton of jobs now-a-days.

 

[Big-E]

Are people just jealous and bitter, is that what it is? They feel that they should get tips in their job so they decide to not tip anyone until they do?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Jesus Christ. Really?

Cause you know people are just handing out a shit ton of jobs now-a-days.

 

[oneHeero]

:lol It's so easy ain't it. San Antonio must be a fucking shit city then if she can't make more than a delivery guy.

O yes, San Antonio is in the gutter, I mean with Toyota just making a new plant here, A&M making a campus here, and Caterpillar creating something in Seguin, Texas(which is suppose to make 4kl jobs sounds like to many :\) its shitty yea.

The cost of living in San Antonio is low, most decent apts range from 600-1k based on rooms and thats usually like 900+sq ft.

 

[yuna55]

Jesus Christ. Really?

Cause you know people are just handing out a shit ton of jobs now-a-days.

Read the post he quoted. That's the joke.

Edit: Beaten :lol <3 u GAF!

 

[oneHeero]

Is he, though?

Yes he is.


No one has responded so quick edit not stealth. Its never EVER been mentioned from anyuone I know that my wife's type of job should get tipped. Its fucken ludicrous to think she should get tipped for doing her job, thats the fucken point.

 

[Kinitari]

Wow - people who are against the idea of tipping are all cheap douches apparently.

Let me ask someone in this thread to point out ONE person in the thread who says they never tip. People tip, but if they are like me, they are confused as hell as to why we SHOULD just accept that tipping is how it works, and take it on the chin.

Basically the arguments FOR tipping certain people who perform services for me, but not all (especially in Canada where minimum wage for a tip job is at MOST 1 dollar less than minimum wage for other jobs, and not in every province/every situation) seem to boil down to "It's just the way it is" and "Don't be cheap". Really? That's it?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

No, I think he got your point well enough.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I mean with Toyota just making a new plant here, A&M making a campus here, and Caterpillar creating something in Seguin, Texas(which is suppose to make 4kl jobs sounds like to many :\) its shitty yea.

And she's still working at fucking Walgreen's? Good thing they're putting in a college there.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Wow - people who are against the idea of tipping are all cheap douches apparently.

Let me ask someone in this thread to point out ONE person in the thread who says they never tip. People tip, but if they are like me, they are confused as hell as to why we SHOULD just accept that tipping is how it works, and take it on the chin.

Basically the arguments FOR tipping certain people who perform services for me, but not all (especially in Canada where minimum wage for a tip job is at MOST 1 dollar less than minimum wage for other jobs, and not in every province/every situation) seem to boil down to "It's just the way it is" and "Don't be cheap". Really? That's it?

Everyone is against the idea of tipping. Every single person in this thread. We would all want another system. But as long as it is what it is, trying to subvert the system by fucking over the little guy does make you a cheap douche.

 

[Divvy]

Everyone is against the idea of tipping. Every single person in this thread. We would all want another system. But as long as it is what it is, trying to subvert the system by fucking over the little guy does make you a cheap douche.

I don't think anyone has claimed to do this.

 

[oneHeero]

Wow - people who are against the idea of tipping are all cheap douches apparently.

Let me ask someone in this thread to point out ONE person in the thread who says they never tip. People tip, but if they are like me, they are confused as hell as to why we SHOULD just accept that tipping is how it works, and take it on the chin.

Basically the arguments FOR tipping certain people who perform services for me, but not all (especially in Canada where minimum wage for a tip job is at MOST 1 dollar less than minimum wage for other jobs, and not in every province/every situation) seem to boil down to "It's just the way it is" and "Don't be cheap". Really? That's it?

Exactly. I've stated numerous times I tip and apparently I tip pretty good/decent. Yet the tipping defense force are as bad as my SDF brothers and the nintendo/360 fanboys. Its unbelievable. Its practically a reason I dont need to tip, there is always some poor sap who'll tip that much higher because they know someone like me will skip out . My aunt tips 20bucks at every restaurant even when her ticket is 7 bucks lol. I asked her wtf she was doing and she said she always tips that since she was a waitress.

 

[siddx]

I work in the food industry and from my experience in the behind the scenes, the customers are assholes more often than the servers. A lot more often. But the customer is always right, so whatever.

Without a doubt. I'd be all smiles, do whatever it takes to please you, including stuff that would piss off my manager (like replace a meal for a free), and all the customer could muster was a glare and condescending hand wave. I'd be cleaning up some giant mess that their little brat spilled all over the floor and wouldn't even get a thank you. If you wouldn't let your child open the salt shaker and play "snow" with it at your own home, why would you let them do it at a restaurant?

The worst for me was 2 minutes before close, a group of 15 comes in, its obvious we are closing up, im halfway through my closing sidework, the cooks are cleaning off the grill, and yet they decide they aren't going to walk across the street and eat there instead. So they eat and decide to sit around for an hour past closing (because our bar stayed open later than the restaurant, our manager's policy was to not kick people out). And then they leave a 2 dollar tip. 15 people, im the only guy there besides the cooks, they are on the 3rd floor, an hour past closing, were rude as hell to me the entire time, and all you can muster between the 15 of you is 2 bucks!

 

[quinntendopower]

i give at least 20% always no matter what, and 5 bucks to a pizza guy. even when i get bad service i still tip the same, i'm not making their day worse by giving them 20 cents on a 20 dollar bill.

its part of going out to dinner. if your that cheap and selfish shame on you

 

[.GqueB.]

Id tip because I dont wanna be seen as that douchebag that doesnt tip. Not tipping is so douchey. There are many reasons why someone would be a bad waiter at any given moment. They could be new, might have just got some bad news, they may be feeling off that night, may have flunked out of college who knows. Its not our job to assume.

The only thing that changes is the amount of tip for me. Really good service gets 20 - 25% but in your case Id give 10% just to say "do better". But NOT tipping is only an option when theyre assholes.

 

[oneHeero]

And she's still working at fucking Walgreen's? Good thing they're putting in a college there.

O yes, lets give up 6yrs of stability she's had at 1 company to jump ship to another because it pays better. She gets to go to school full time, calls in whenever she needs to to take care of our daughter and gets good benefits. Does she make 15+ an hour? Nope, but we dont bitch about it, she gets paid accordingly and gets good things out of being there as long as she has. But please do continue w/ the sarcasm, you are keeping your tipping defense force happy with them.

 

[Xeke]

Everyone is against the idea of tipping. Every single person in this thread. We would all want another system. But as long as it is what it is, trying to subvert the system by fucking over the little guy does make you a cheap douche.

Bingo.

O yes, lets give up 6yrs of stability she's had at 1 company to jump ship to another because it pays better. She gets to go to school full time, calls in whenever she needs to to take care of our daughter and gets good benefits. Does she make 15 an hour? Nope, but we dont bitch about it, she gets paid accordingly and gets good things out of being there as long as she has. But please do continue w/ the sarcasm, you are keeping your tipping defense force happy with them.

you're still missing the point completely.

 

[Big-E]

Without a doubt. I'd be all smiles, do whatever it takes to please you, including stuff that would piss off my manager (like replace a meal for a free), and all the customer could muster was a glare and condescending hand wave. I'd be cleaning up some giant mess that their little brat spilled all over the floor and wouldn't even get a thank you. If you wouldn't let your child open the salt shaker and play "snow" with it at your own home, why would you let them do it at a restaurant?

The worst for me was 2 minutes before close, a group of 15 comes in, its obvious we are closing up, im halfway through my closing sidework, the cooks are cleaning off the grill, and yet they decide they aren't going to walk across the street and eat there instead. So they eat and decide to sit around for an hour past closing (because our bar stayed open later than the restaurant, our manager's policy was to not kick people out). And then they leave a 2 dollar tip. 15 people, im the only guy there besides the cooks, they are on the 3rd floor, an hour past closing, were rude as hell to me the entire time, and all you can muster between the 15 of you is 2 bucks!

Ya that does suck. Most annoying customers in the world are those that come in just before last sitting and then stay forever and leave a shit tip. We were not allowed to clean the kitchen with people still dining because the kitchen is open so we had to wait until they had left to start our cleanup which takes about an hour to completely do. Fuck people like that.

 

[Petrie]

I don't think anyone has claimed to do this.

Yes they have. Did you read the damn thread?

 

[agrajag]

Without a doubt. I'd be all smiles, do whatever it takes to please you, including stuff that would piss off my manager (like replace a meal for a free), and all the customer could muster was a glare and condescending hand wave. I'd be cleaning up some giant mess that their little brat spilled all over the floor and wouldn't even get a thank you. If you wouldn't let your child open the salt shaker and play "snow" with it at your own home, why would you let them do it at a restaurant?

The worst for me was 2 minutes before close, a group of 15 comes in, its obvious we are closing up, im halfway through my closing sidework, the cooks are cleaning off the grill, and yet they decide they aren't going to walk across the street and eat there instead. So they eat and decide to sit around for an hour past closing (because our bar stayed open later than the restaurant, our manager's policy was to not kick people out). And then they leave a 2 dollar tip. 15 people, im the only guy there besides the cooks, they are on the 3rd floor, an hour past closing, were rude as hell to me the entire time, and all you can muster between the 15 of you is 2 bucks!

2 bucks between the 15 of them????

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Ponn]

Just a note. I ordered some Pizza Hut the other day. Used a coupon for a 14.99 plus extra .50 for deal and ordered a single order of breadsticks for 3.99. The total though was $25.45. Tax should have been 1.30 so it was like a $4 charge for delivery.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

O yes, lets give up 6yrs of stability she's had at 1 company to jump ship to another because it pays better. She gets to go to school full time, calls in whenever she needs to to take care of our daughter and gets good benefits. Does she make 15+ an hour? Nope, but we dont bitch about it, she gets paid accordingly and gets good things out of being there as long as she has. But please do continue w/ the sarcasm, you are keeping your tipping defense force happy with them.

You're right, it was wrong of me to flippantly and ignorantly tell someone I don't know to just up and get a new job when I don't understand any of their circumstances. I'm glad you acknowledge that behavior as improper.

 

[agrajag]

Everyone is against the idea of tipping. Every single person in this thread. We would all want another system. But as long as it is what it is, trying to subvert the system by fucking over the little guy does make you a cheap douche.

I love how they're trying to spin it by pretending to be a fucking Rosa Parks of tipping. You ain't a fucking revolutionary, you're just a cheapskate.

 

[Petrie]

O yes, lets give up 6yrs of stability she's had at 1 company to jump ship to another because it pays better. She gets to go to school full time, calls in whenever she needs to to take care of our daughter and gets good benefits. Does she make 15+ an hour? Nope, but we dont bitch about it, she gets paid accordingly and gets good things out of being there as long as she has. But please do continue w/ the sarcasm, you are keeping your tipping defense force happy with them.

That's WHY she gets paid less though. She can call in whenever, she has stability, she has benefits.

Waiters do not have that luxury. The job lacks stability. You can't call in whenever you need to take care of your daughter. You have to give up most of your evenings. And the tips reflect an appreciation for all that on top of the service provided.

She gets a stable job with lenient attendance policy and a steady income, and waiters and waitresses and bartenders get a chaotic job where not showing up will get you fired and in return have the possibility of a much higher income.

2 bucks between the 15 of them????

:lol :lol :lol

The types of people who come in 5 minutes before close tend to be the lowest of the low. I had a table come in on Easter Sunday with 7 of them, 2 minutes before we closed. Despite exceptional service and numerous occasions of going above and beyond, I was left nothing. Not a cent.

Scum.

I was ready to leave. We hadn't had a table in 2 hours. And now I have to stay around for nothing?

Scum.

 

[oneHeero]

You're right, it was wrong of me to flippantly and ignorantly tell someone I don't know to just up and get a new job when I don't understand any of their circumstances. I'm glad you acknowledge that behavior as improper.

Since I'm sure your referring to my past comment about the delivery guy needing to get another job if they dont like it, I dont see how the fuck I'm incorrect when I'm not bitching about how my wife gets paid. Its like you cant see any differences whatsoever. You guys really are like fanboys in the gaming area. Disregard anything else people may think or believe because you feel you know what's right already and anything anyone says differently to your own opinion has to be incorrect.

That's all I've seen out of the last few of you who are talking about people not tipping being dbags.

 

[oneHeero]

That's WHY she gets paid less though. She can call in whenever, she has stability, she has benefits.

Waiters do not have that luxury. The job lacks stability. You can't call in whenever you need to take care of your daughter. You have to give up most of your evenings. And the tips reflect an appreciation for all that on top of the service provided.

She gets a stable job with lenient attendance policy and a steady income, and waiters and waitresses and bartenders get a chaotic job where not showing up will get you fired and in return have the possibility of a much higher income.

Wtf are you talking about? I've been talking about DELIVERY guys this whole time. Not waiters. I've stated I tip 5bucks 90% of the time I eat out regardless of my ticket(more expensive=more tip tho).

I said I didnt want/like to tip delivery guys and its rare that I do and rare that I use them. Since where I live its easy to get up and drive because I dont live some where like NY where traffic is a bitch. I wouldnt be surprised if the rest of the idiots trying to be sarcastic with me are assuming what you did about my post.

 

[Kinitari]

Yes they have. Did you read the damn thread?

Who did? No one is saying "Lets all collectively not tip people anymore" - at worst people are saying "I hate tipping, so I only tip when people deserve it, not just because" - how is that 'screwing over the little guy' anymore than not giving someone your business at a commision retailer if they make a pass at your wife or something?

 

[Kinitari]

I love how they're trying to spin it by pretending to be a fucking Rosa Parks of tipping. You ain't a fucking revolutionary, you're just a cheapskate.

Who? WHO is being the Rosa Parks of tipping? Are you talking to me? Who is this imaginary person everyone is talking about?

 

[Petrie]

Wtf are you talking about? I've been talking about DELIVERY guys this whole time. Not waiters. I've stated I tip 5bucks 90% of the time I eat out regardless of my ticket(more expensive=more tip tho).

I said I didnt want/like to tip delivery guys and its rare that I do and rare that I use them. Since where I live its easy to get up and drive because I dont live some where like NY where traffic is a bitch. I wouldnt be surprised if the rest of the idiots trying to be sarcastic with me are assuming what you did about my post.

It's no different for a delivery person. The logic remains the same. I merely use the waiters and bartenders in my example because that's the job I do. The same applies to a delivery guy as well.

 

[oneHeero]

Who did? No one is saying "Lets all collectively not tip people anymore" - at worst people are saying "I hate tipping, so I only tip when people deserve it, not just because" - how is that 'screwing over the little guy' anymore than not giving someone your business at a commision retailer if they make a pass at your wife or something?

Apparently this train of thought is incorrect and you should tip no matter what unless the service was unbearably bad.

 

[KHarvey16]

The types of people who come in 5 minutes before close tend to be the lowest of the low. I had a table come in on Easter Sunday with 7 of them, 2 minutes before we closed. Despite exceptional service and numerous occasions of going above and beyond, I was left nothing. Not a cent.

Scum.

I was ready to leave. We hadn't had a table in 2 hours. And now I have to stay around for nothing?

Scum.

I feel kinda terrible sitting down in a restaurant even 45 minutes before closing. When that happens the tip gets real big.

 

[hsin]

I tip generously for the deserving. Some for okay service. None for lousy service.

 

[soundahfekz]

O yes, lets give up 6yrs of stability she's had at 1 company to jump ship to another because it pays better. She gets to go to school full time, calls in whenever she needs to to take care of our daughter and gets good benefits. Does she make 15+ an hour? Nope, but we dont bitch about it, she gets paid accordingly and gets good things out of being there as long as she has. But please do continue w/ the sarcasm, you are keeping your tipping defense force happy with them.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Last time I recall, an entire industry wasn't built on tipping for hanging clothes back on racks and shit.

It isn't about a defense force, it's about the idiots who think they're being some sort of legitimate rebel by not tipping the guy who's at the bottom of the food chain. If you don't like it, don't eat at the restaurants who employ this wage model.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

I'm not about to wade through 400+ posts on this inane topic again, but curiosity got the best of me to look.</driveby post warning>

People tip, but if they are like me, they are confused as hell as to why we SHOULD just accept that tipping is how it works, and take it on the chin.

You're really confused about this? Let's try a simple formula:

A + B = C

A = Cost of product
B = Cost of delivering said product
C = Price customer pays

The only difference in a tipping scenario verses a non-tipping scenario is that the customer is given some leeway on B. Getting rid of tipping just means the customer pays the same amount (roughly) but loses an avenue to express their displeasure, instead they'll just take every minor bitch and moan to the manager.

Everyone is against the idea of tipping. Every single person in this thread. We would all want another system. But as long as it is what it is, trying to subvert the system by fucking over the little guy does make you a cheap douche.

Not anymore. I'm for tipping. Why? Because I made a shitton more as a bartender with tipping than I ever would have made as a bartender without tipping. As a customer, I can see wanting to get rid of it, but since I'm going to be paying the same amount anyway, it's hardly enough to make me want to overthrow societal norms.

 

[Big-E]

Apparently this train of thought is incorrect and you should tip no matter what unless the service was unbearably bad.

It is pretty rare to get unbearably bad but if we use your barometer for terrible as for every minute I am left drinkless I start taking deductions than you are probably met with terrible service all the time.