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[oneHeero]

It's no different for a delivery person. The logic remains the same. I merely use the waiters and bartenders in my example because that's the job I do. The same applies to a delivery guy as well.

No the logic doesnt remain the same. While both markets(delivery/waiters) rely on tips from a service provided I dont see how its the same. Correct me if I'm wrong but arent waiting and delivery jobs pretty basic jobs to get just like working at Walgreens or Walmart. You know or should know what your getting out of your job, if you have prior attendance problems or know that you might have attendance problems than yo should realize the problems that will arrive in the delivery/waiting market.

 

[Petrie]

I feel kinda terrible sitting down in a restaurant even 45 minutes before closing. When that happens the tip gets real big.

I wish more people got this. I don't even mind staying around late. It's part of the job. But to keep me around hours after close and then not leave me a dime?

These are the people who make me the angriest. If you come in on a slow Tuesday night and only leave me a few dollars, whatever, that table would have been empty otherwise. But when you come in on a busy Saturday and take up part of my section, you are costing me money. I could have one of the other 50 tables waiting to be seated in my section, and they'd actually tip me.

The opportunity lost to me is what upsets me the most. The late might table of 7, costing me 2 hours of my life for nothing. Same principle. Had they come in 2 hours earlier when I had nothing going on, then I would be far less upset.

 

[Tony Rocky Horror]

"You know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin, playing just for the waitresses."

 

[yuna55]

Honestly, if the tipping system (at least in the US) would be replaced with higher prices and higher wages, people here would still be pissed. I've been to really nice restaurants (with absolute shit for service) where they automatically include 21%+ for a service charge. I had no control over how much I felt they should get. And since they were automatically getting tipped, they didn't put forth any effort in the service, only to upsell. Things won't ever change in the US. It'll always remain a tip/commission-type job.

If I would've had a minimum wage job throughout college, everybody in the US would've been paying for my government grants so I could go to school! Instead, I made "too much" money through tips to get grants and paid for school myself. You're welcome! :lol

 

[Petrie]

No the logic doesnt remain the same. While both markets(delivery/waiters) rely on tips from a service provided I dont see how its the same. Correct me if I'm wrong but arent waiting and delivery jobs pretty basic jobs to get just like working at Walgreens or Walmart. You know or should know what your getting out of your job, if you have prior attendance problems or know that you might have attendance problems than yo should realize the problems that will arrive in the delivery/waiting market.

You're not exactly right. It's more difficult to get a job waiting tables than a job at a walgreens or walmart. Most places where you'd make any money, don't want to hire anyone without experience. Even then, it's far from a guarantee. Walmart or Walgreens will hire just about anyone. You'll find decent restaurants are far more strict in those practices.

 

[oneHeero]

It is pretty rare to get unbearably bad but if we use your barometer for terrible as for every minute I am left drinkless I start taking deductions than you are probably met with terrible service all the time.

Well its like you have selective reading since I've stated numerous times that I tip the same amount 90% of the time I eat out. So with that said, its obvious I dont have to respond or take your remarks serious since you decide to only comment on certain parts of my post let alone any of them. As I assume you dont like responding to me since my train of thouight doesnt follow yours and I must fall in the DBag side since I only tip 5 bucks 90% of the time I eat out with maybe 2% time I dont tip when I eat out. I rarely tip delivery guys and I tip 2bucks after each drink I order at a bar.

Yea I must fall in the cheapskate side since I dont tip 100% of the time.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

...my train of thouight...

 

[Petrie]

Well its like you have selective reading since I've stated numerous times that I tip the same amount 90% of the time I eat out. So with that said, its obvious I dont have to respond or take your remarks serious since you decide to only comment on certain parts of my post let alone any of them. As I assume you dont like responding to me since my train of thouight doesnt follow yours and I must fall in the DBag side since I only tip 5 bucks 90% of the time I eat out with maybe 2% time I dont tip when I eat out. I rarely tip delivery guys and I tip 2bucks after each drink I order at a bar.

Yea I must fall in the cheapskate side since I dont tip 100% of the time.

I take issue with the bolded part. You say you tip $5 every time you go out. The problem there is at nicer restaurants you receive far more attention, you take up tables longer, and far more effort goes into your overall experience. Where at a Chilis your server has 5-7 tables at once, at a finer dining establishment, that server may have only 3 tables, and they sit twice as long. That means though you're tipping the same amount of money, you're tipping the other server far less for their time and efforts.

Perhaps I'm incorrect and you simply don't stray far from one particular type of restaurant. If that's the case, then I don't see a problem.

 

[Big-E]

Well its like you have selective reading since I've stated numerous times that I tip the same amount 90% of the time I eat out. So with that said, its obvious I dont have to respond or take your remarks serious since you decide to only comment on certain parts of my post let alone any of them. As I assume you dont like responding to me since my train of thouight doesnt follow yours and I must fall in the DBag side since I only tip 5 bucks 90% of the time I eat out with maybe 2% time I dont tip when I eat out. I rarely tip delivery guys and I tip 2bucks after each drink I order at a bar.

Yea I must fall in the cheapskate side since I dont tip 100% of the time.

Yes I do because anyone who says this,

Nonetheless, at places like Chili's if the waiter cant keep my drink filled the WHOLE time than I start deducting from the 5bucks.

Is acting like a douche and has unrealistic expectations and is looking to be cheap.

 

[oneHeero]

You're not exactly right. It's more difficult to get a job waiting tables than a job at a walgreens or walmart. Most places where you'd make any money, don't want to hire anyone without experience. Even then, it's far from a guarantee. Walmart or Walgreens will hire just about anyone. You'll find decent restaurants are far more strict in those practices.

You are probably right, but do all waiting/delivery jobs require a drug test or a background test like working for as a teller? They provide a service just the same. I'd probably be willing to tip them if service was always fast and speedy lol

I agree with wanting people with more experience as a priority therefor making it a bit harder to get a job than at walmart/walgreens but I'd expect that to be more difficult at restaurants that are of higher quality not so much as working at your local chili's or applebees.

But I completely get the picture. I also think its fucked up about the $2 tip for 15ppl, unacceptable and would probablycause me to throw the money at them and walk out of the restaurant industry lol. I tend to steer clear of restaurants close to closing times as well, my first job was at a Bill Miller's(restaurant) and I hated when we turned off the fryers and some comes in to order a 15piece chicken and says they dont mind waiting 30-45mins if thought it was 8:50 and we closed at 9.

 

[Nose Master]

I usually only tip if I'm with a girl, or I go there all the time. If I'm going there once with male friends? Meh. It's not my responsibility to compensate for the fucked up tipping / shitty wage system in America. I'm cheap.

Also: Do not tip if they give shitty service, for the love of god. They're not doing their job. If you showed up to work and just decided to scoot your ass on the ground for 3 hours, would your boss pay you?

Edit: Relevant tip question not thread worthy: You go to say, Denny's. You get something dirt ass cheap, like coffee. The bill is barely over a dollar. Do you tip? A dollar or two seems to be the custom, but a 200% tip seems outrageous. At the same time, tipping 20% in this situation would be a slap in the face.

 

[Kinitari]

I'm not about to wade through 400+ posts on this inane topic again, but curiosity got the best of me to look.</driveby post warning>


You're really confused about this? Let's try a simple formula:

A + B = C

A = Cost of product
B = Cost of delivering said product
C = Price customer pays

The only difference in a tipping scenario verses a non-tipping scenario is that the customer is given some leeway on B. Getting rid of tipping just means the customer pays the same amount (roughly) but loses an avenue to express their displeasure, instead they'll just take every minor bitch and moan to the manager.

I'm even willing to concede the point - tip if the service is exemplorary (even though I am not sure why only certain service jobs get the special treatment) - but what I am really railing against is the "Tip no matter what, even if he drops your shit on the floor, if you don't you are a cheap fuck" - who are these people who can justify throwing around their money like this? Maybe I just don't know any better cause I am poor as fuck.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

If I'm going there once with male friends? Meh. It's not my responsibility to compensate for the fucked up tipping / shitty wage system in America. I'm cheap.

It's not compensating. It's being a person in America.

At least you admit you're cheap.

 

[Petrie]

Yes I do because anyone who says this,



Is acting like a douche and has unrealistic expectations and is looking to be cheap.

I'm a waiter and I disagree with you. Keeping a drink full is one of the ONLY things a waiter has complete control over. If they can't handle that, then they don't deserve to be tipped. Food quality, wait times, atmosphere, all those things are beyond the servers realm of control, but keeping the drink full is an easy and efficient way to even in the worst circumstances show a guest you are paying attention and doing your best to make sure they have a great experience.

Filling bread baskets falls under the same umbrelle of the few things a server can be expected to have complete control over.

Bar drinks do not apply, as the server cannot control how quickly a bartender chooses to make drinks.

 

[oneHeero]

I take issue with the bolded part. You say you tip $5 every time you go out. The problem there is at nicer restaurants you receive far more attention, you take up tables longer, and far more effort goes into your overall experience. Where at a Chilis your server has 5-7 tables at once, at a finer dining establishment, that server may have only 3 tables, and they sit twice as long. That means though you're tipping the same amount of money, you're tipping the other server far less for their time and efforts.

Perhaps I'm incorrect and you simply don't stray far from one particular type of restaurant. If that's the case, then I don't see a problem.

Which is exactly what I stated on the previous page. I said that when I go to a higher quality restaurant its a no brainer that I will be tipping more. It seems a lot of you people defending tipping as a must didnt read any of my post in full and made your own assumptions. So I decided to stay oin gaf and get my point across since I've got nothing to do...

Yes I do because anyone who says this,
Is acting like a douche and has unrealistic expectations and is looking to be cheap.

I dont see how the fuck its unrealistic to expect my drink to stay full lmao. Tons of times I've been served a fresh new drink while I was half done with my first drink, at those times, which happen ever so often(thank god) I know I'll be tipping 100% at at least 5bucks, and if the service is great while and I got a fresh drink right off the back I tend to tip 7-9bucks because thats how important my drink is to me.

My wife and I talk about the tipping situation every time we eat out. Again, since apparently no one likes to read, I've stated I stick to the common places like Olive Garden, Chili's, applebees etc. I dont go to places like Morton's, Ruby Tuesday's, Rainforest, etc. When I do I tip more.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I get having some weak, poorly thought out justification for not tipping people who rely on it, not everyone has empathy, but how fucking stupid are you not to be kind to people who see your food before you do?

 

[oneHeero]

I'm a waiter and I disagree with you. Keeping a drink full is one of the ONLY things a waiter has complete control over. If they can't handle that, then they don't deserve to be tipped. Food quality, wait times, atmosphere, all those things are beyond the servers realm of control, but keeping the drink full is an easy and efficient way to even in the worst circumstances show a guest you are paying attention and doing your best to make sure they have a great experience.

Filling bread baskets falls under the same umbrelle of the few things a server can be expected to have complete control over.

Bar drinks do not apply, as the server cannot control how quickly a bartender chooses to make drinks.

Thank you, now I know I was arguing with a idiot and therefor I'm another idiot on the internet arguing since I knew I had nothing to be ashamed of.

To not keep my drink full is either being the following;

A. Lazy or slow as fuck, get out of the restuartant industry, its fast paced.
B. Not giving a fuck and talking with your waitress/waiters/mgrs/bartender friends instead of checking more often on your tables.
C. Its just to busy and hard to keep up with every table, in which I take that into account. Its not hard to see when its busy and you may have slower service therefor I dont tack off due to that.

 

[Nose Master]

I get having some weak, poorly thought out justification for not tipping people who rely on it, not everyone has empathy, but how fucking stupid are you not to be kind to people who see your food before you do?

That's why people aren't stingy fucks at restaurants they frequent. Places you never go to? They won't know they've been fucked til you're out the door.

PS: It fucking drives me crazy when waiters check up too often.

 

[Petrie]

Thank you, now I know I was arguing with a idiot and therefor I'm another idiot on the internet arguing since I knew I had nothing to be ashamed of.

Nope. The full drink is a great barometer for at least an acceptable level of effort on a servers part. It takes the server all of 15 seconds to pour it, another 30 perhaps to bring it to you, but shows at the very least they are paying attention to your needs, despite any issues with the kitchen or other parts of your experience.

As a waiter myself I try to be lenient as possible when I go out to eat, but if my drink sits empty for more than a few minutes, I know my server simply doesn't give a damn.

That's why people aren't stingy fucks at restaurants they frequent. Places you never go to? They won't know they've been fucked til you're out the door.

PS: It fucking drives me crazy when waiters check up too often.

And that makes you an asshole.

Also, it bothers you when they make an attempt to keep your experience as good as possible? Instead of getting annoyed, why not simply tell them everything is great, and that if you need anything else you'll be happy to flag them down?

 

[Big-E]

I dont see how the fuck its unrealistic to expect my drink to stay full lmao. Tons of times I've been served a fresh new drink while I was half done with my first drink, at those times, which happen ever so often(thank god) I know I'll be tipping 100% at at least 5bucks, and if the service is great while and I got a fresh drink right off the back I tend to tip 7-9bucks because thats how important my drink is to me.

My wife and I talk about the tipping situation every time we eat out. Again, since apparently no one likes to read, I've stated I stick to the common places like Olive Garden, Chili's, applebees etc. I dont go to places like Morton's, Ruby Tuesday's, Rainforest, etc. When I do I tip more.

Sorry if I misjudged you but you said you only really go to Chili's type restaurants so this is more of a rule for you. The post didn't paint you in a good light as the all caps of WHOLE makes you seem like you are some Gestapo counting every second your drink is not full. Servers have other tables and customers to deal with, you can go a minute or two without a drink.

 

[siddx]

Yes I do because anyone who says this,



Is acting like a douche and has unrealistic expectations and is looking to be cheap.

Yup. Thats a pretty common opinion from someone who has never worked in that industry and has absolutely no idea how much work there is to do besides make sure your drink is filled. I notice every single person who walks into a restaurant thinks their server is there only for them. One of the places I worked at I was in charge of 20 or more tables on different floors (they put their orders in at a counter and I took care of the rest). So i'd be trying to get 5 people extra ranch, 3 people extra plates, 2 new ketchup bottles, 4 people bbq sauce, all while trying to bring 20 tables their food and bus and clean tables that a long line of people were waiting for. I'd have a tray on my shoulder I just lugged up three flights of stairs with 15 plates on it, and some bitch would be clicking her tongue at me and yelling at me to get her a soda from downstairs.

 

[Kinitari]

I get having some weak, poorly thought out justification for not tipping people who rely on it, not everyone has empathy, but how fucking stupid are you not to be kind to people who see your food before you do?

1. In Canada, they certainly don't rely on tips - I think its safe to assume most people who get tips here also get minimum wage.

2. Why empathize with only certain people who are not making a lot of money? You know how many broke ass people serve you in the average day? Do they get their tips?

3. Who is this person who doesn't tip people ever? There are people here who don't tip people who do a bad job, but that's not exactly the devils own sin like some of you make it out to be.

4. If they do a bad job, and I never go back to the place again because it was such a bad job, it wouldn't technically matter if they saw my food first, unless they pre-emptively spit in everyones soup just to cover all their (douchey) bases.

 

[yuna55]

You are probably right, but do all waiting/delivery jobs require a drug test or a background test like working for as a teller? They provide a service just the same. I'd probably be willing to tip them if service was always fast and speedy lol

I agree with wanting people with more experience as a priority therefor making it a bit harder to get a job than at walmart/walgreens but I'd expect that to be more difficult at restaurants that are of higher quality not so much as working at your local chili's or applebees.

But I completely get the picture. I also think its fucked up about the $2 tip for 15ppl, unacceptable and would probablycause me to throw the money at them and walk out of the restaurant industry lol. I tend to steer clear of restaurants close to closing times as well, my first job was at a Bill Miller's(restaurant) and I hated when we turned off the fryers and some comes in to order a 15piece chicken and says they dont mind waiting 30-45mins if thought it was 8:50 and we closed at 9.

Well, when you go to a bank, you have to wait in line for the next available teller. They're only handling one customer at a time. Imagine walking into the bank and everybody was at an available window and 1 poor sap was handling every single one of them at the same time. Complete chaos. And you could expect that every once in awhile, the guy might forget that you wanted 5 $20's instead of a $100 bill.

I'm not trying to get on your case, cause it seems like you're getting railed here. :lol I have respect for pretty much everybody, tellers included. But their job is nothing like waiting tables. There's a reason that 1 teller works with 1 person at a time, because if a mistake is made with money, that's a huge deal. If a server forgets you wanted an extra meatball when he has 6 other tables (and maybe 25 other customers at the same time) , no big deal, as long as he gets it for you when he remembers/you remind him.


FTR, at the local Applebees that a few of my friends work for, they go through a 3 step hiring process. 1.) Interview with an assistant manager 2.) Come in the next day and follow a server, and fill out a personality test 3.) Interview with a GM. We actually modeled our hiring process at my company after theirs. They call all their references ASAP as well. But yea, there are a lot of restaurants that will hire anybody with experience, even if they suck.

 

[oneHeero]

Sorry if I misjudged you but you said you only really go to Chili's type restaurants so this is more of a rule for you. The post didn't paint you in a good light as the all caps of WHOLE makes you seem like you are some Gestapo counting every second your drink is not full. Servers have other tables and customers to deal with, you can go a minute or two without a drink.

Yup and my previous post states I take those things into account. I tip, I may not like it or always agree with it but I tip. Do I not like tipping for everything? HEck no I dont and if I dont want to I'm not scared to not tip. I do think of the repercussions first, likle how often I'll be ordering pizza from certain areas. But I literally have 2 pizza huts and 1 domino's within a 5-8minute radius. I rarely ever order delivery and when I do I cycle through the 3. I order delivery maybe once every 2 months so I dont tip since I doubt I'll be remembered. And when I want pizza I like Peter Piper's which is within 5mins as well lol No delivery so I pick up.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

1. In Canada, they certainly don't rely on tips - I think its safe to assume most people who get tips here also get minimum wage.

2. Why empathize with only certain people who are not making a lot of money? You know how many broke ass people serve you in the average day? Do they get their tips?

3. Who is this person who doesn't tip people ever? There are people here who don't tip people who do a bad job, but that's not exactly the devils own sin like some of you make it out to be.

4. If they do a bad job, and I never go back to the place again because it was such a bad job, it wouldn't technically matter if they saw my food first, unless they pre-emptively spit in everyones soup just to cover all their (douchey) bases.

Good Lord, you keep going back to "well why not just tip everyone?"

The United States custom is to tip your waiters. That's just how it is. Deal with it. If you live in the States, follow the custom or don't, but don't get defensive when you get called out on being cheap.

 

[oneHeero]

Well, when you go to a bank, you have to wait in line for the next available teller. They're only handling one customer at a time. Imagine walking into the bank and everybody was at an available window and 1 poor sap was handling every single one of them at the same time. Complete chaos. And you could expect that every once in awhile, the guy might forget that you wanted 5 $20's instead of a $100 bill.

I'm not trying to get on your case, cause it seems like you're getting railed here. :lol I have respect for pretty much everybody, tellers included. But their job is nothing like waiting tables. There's a reason that 1 teller works with 1 person at a time, because if a mistake is made with money, that's a huge deal. If a server forgets you wanted an extra meatball when he has 6 other tables (and maybe 25 other customers at the same time) , no big deal, as long as he gets it for you when he remembers/you remind him.


FTR, at the local Applebees that a few of my friends work for, they go through a 3 step hiring process. 1.) Interview with an assistant manager 2.) Come in the next day and follow a server, and fill out a personality test 3.) Interview with a GM. We actually modeled our hiring process at my company after theirs. They call all their references ASAP as well. But yea, there are a lot of restaurants that will hire anybody with experience, even if they suck.

1. I'm mainly talking about a bank on a friday. Line of 30+ people and waiting forever since only 4 tellers are working. I fucken hate that, why the fuck dont they have more tellers on a fucken friday. Thats slow as service. So thats why I was comparing it to the other market, but really you are right it was just a small example of mine though.

2. That hiring process sounds ridiculously easy to pass. I mean like any 17-18 yr old can pass it, o wait.... Lets get back to making sure they get a tip every single time.

And lol@ me getting railed. Half my post never got replied to, the other half were poorly replied to by selective reading. No one had an arguement for me or what I choose to do, all I saw were bullshit smart remarks from idiots like Kano.

 

[Big-E]

1. In Canada, they certainly don't rely on tips - I think its safe to assume most people who get tips here also get minimum wage.

Dead wrong, at least here in Vancouver. People here tip all the time and it is expected, you will not be able to get away with it.

 

[Kinitari]

Good Lord, you keep going back to "well why not just tip everyone?"

The United States custom is to tip your waiters. That's just how it is. Deal with it. If you live in the States, follow the custom or don't, but don't get defensive when you get called out on being cheap.

And you keep going back to the "It's just the way it is" argument + the "You're being cheap" argument - which as far as I understand, are argumentative fallacies.

I don't live in the United states, but obviously up here in Canada the tipping obligation still stands.

And even then - I don't know what you want from me? Have you not read a single post? I state in almost every one that I tip if the person serving me does a decent job or better, but I will have no qualms with witholding tips with someone who does a terrible job. How many times have I with held a tip? Total of 3 times I can remember.

Dear god.

 

[KHarvey16]

I usually only tip if I'm with a girl, or I go there all the time. If I'm going there once with male friends? Meh. It's not my responsibility to compensate for the fucked up tipping / shitty wage system in America. I'm cheap.

So stay home. If you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

And you keep going back to the "It's just the way it is" argument + the "You're being cheap" argument - which as far as I understand, are argumentative fallacies.

I don't live in the United states, but obviously up here in Canada the tipping obligation still stands.

And even then - I don't know what you want from me? Have you not read a single post? I state in almost every one that I tip if the person serving me does a decent job or better, but I will have no qualms with witholding tips with someone who does a terrible job. How many times have I with held a tip? Total of 3 times I can remember.

Dear god.

I don't care about what you do. I care that you're questioning why we don't just tip everyone for all jobs when that suggestion doesn't even make sense.

 

[TemplaerDude]

And you keep going back to the "It's just the way it is" argument + the "You're being cheap" argument - which as far as I understand, are argumentative fallacies.

lol how is that an argument?

it's the way it fucking is.

 

[Kinitari]

Dead wrong, at least here in Vancouver. People here tip all the time and it is expected, you will not be able to get away with it.

I'm not sure you understood what I said. I am saying that it's not like in the United States where people are paid 2.50 and are expected to make up the rest in tips. People here get paid just under minimum wage by no more than a dollar, if not as much/more than minimum wage.

And that is exactly my point, you 'can't get away' with not tipping, even in a society where we don't have the ridiculous payment system like the states - it's still expected. Which perturbs me.

 

[oneHeero]

And you keep going back to the "It's just the way it is" argument + the "You're being cheap" argument - which as far as I understand, are argumentative fallacies.

I don't live in the United states, but obviously up here in Canada the tipping obligation still stands.

And even then - I don't know what you want from me? Have you not read a single post? I state in almost every one that I tip if the person serving me does a decent job or better, but I will have no qualms with witholding tips with someone who does a terrible job. How many times have I with held a tip? Total of 3 times I can remember.

Dear god.

No, he doesnt like other posters who attempt to push for tipping. They literally dont read your full post. They skim it and reply to what they want.

He's an idiot, I expect to get banned for calling so many people idiots I just cant help it. I got lol@ for so many smart remarks to me yet no one can find the time to properly respond.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

1. In Canada, they certainly don't rely on tips - I think its safe to assume most people who get tips here also get minimum wage.

2. Why empathize with only certain people who are not making a lot of money? You know how many broke ass people serve you in the average day? Do they get their tips?

3. Who is this person who doesn't tip people ever? There are people here who don't tip people who do a bad job, but that's not exactly the devils own sin like some of you make it out to be.

4. If they do a bad job, and I never go back to the place again because it was such a bad job, it wouldn't technically matter if they saw my food first, unless they pre-emptively spit in everyones soup just to cover all their (douchey) bases.

1. I don't live in Canada.

2. There are certain jobs where people are paid particularly low with the expectation that they'll receive additional compensation, and no one's dick is going to fall off if they don't provide that extra compensation. Even the guy whose wife worked at Walgreen's admits that she doesn't have the expectation of a tip, and she'd probably be reprimanded if she even accepted one because that's not the structure of her job or the expectation of her employer. People who wait or deliver depend on tips to get by. This is just the way things are.

3. No, there have been people who stated they don't always tip, whether when not with someone of the opposite sex or if someone's delivering. Saying you never tip someone who works off of tips, even if it's in a very specific situation, is shitty.

4. That's your prerogative. I personally will tip a minimum even when I get shitty service, but that's just a personal choice, based on the fact that I may go back to this place if everything sans the waiter/waitress was good and I don't want my food spit on the next time, but a few bucks just isn't that much for me to lose sleep over


It blows my mind how far people will go in justifying holding on to 5 dollars. If you're so poor that you can't afford an extra 5 dollars, just don't go somewhere you'll be waited on or delivered to. If you're not, just fucking pay it and stop being such a fucking crybaby.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

He's an idiot

Explain.

 

[Big-E]

I'm not sure you understood what I said. I am saying that it's not like in the United States where people are paid 2.50 and are expected to make up the rest in tips. People here get paid just under minimum wage by no more than a dollar, if not as much/more than minimum wage.

And that is exactly my point, you 'can't get away' with not tipping, even in a society where we don't have the ridiculous payment system like the states - it's still expected. Which perturbs me.

You are trying to use this as an excuse and it makes you look like a douche.

 

[Kinitari]

I don't care about what you do. I care that you're questioning why we don't just tip everyone for all jobs when that suggestion doesn't even make sense.

Holy shit - the hell is wrong with people? I am not allowed to question a broken system? This is some Twilight Zone shit here. Am I going around tearing the tips out of peoples hands or something? No - I am simply discussing how I feel about the situation - which is met with such... raw hatred, I cannot understand. I didn't think GAF had ANY subjects they treated like this - this topic turns this fucking place to rapture ready.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Holy shit - the hell is wrong with people? I am not allowed to question a broken system?

The question was stupid.

Like I said, we all agree it's a broken system. But asking "why don't we just tip everyone" is like asking "hey why do CEOs make so much?"

You asked the question in response to empathy for waiters. We don't tip just out of empathy. We tip because it's the custom.

 

[Narag]

Holy shit - the hell is wrong with people? I am not allowed to question a broken system? This is some Twilight Zone shit here. Am I going around tearing the tips out of peoples hands or something? No - I am simply discussing how I feel about the situation - which is met with such... raw hatred, I cannot understand. I didn't think GAF had ANY subjects they treated like this - this topic turns this fucking place to rapture ready.

Its not just GAF. SA had some fine tipping threads and they turn truly brutal when international posters weigh in.

 

[yuna55]

1. I'm mainly talking about a bank on a friday. Line of 30+ people and waiting forever since only 4 tellers are working. I fucken hate that, why the fuck dont they have more tellers on a fucken friday. Thats slow as service. So thats why I was comparing it to the other market, but really you are right it was just a small example of mine though.

2. That hiring process sounds ridiculously easy to pass. I mean like any 17-18 yr old can pass it, o wait.... Lets get back to making sure they get a tip every single time.

And lol@ me getting railed. Half my post never got replied to, the other half were poorly replied to by selective reading. No one had an arguement for me or what I choose to do, all I saw were bullshit smart remarks from idiots like Kano.

Yes, it's like going to Walmart/Target the week of Thanksgiving or Christmas or whatever, and they have 5 lanes open. I just want to scream. The managers know they're going to be fucking busy. I know what you're saying.

:lol You'd be surprised how many people can't even pass step 1 in a hiring process like that. Granted I'm in a completely different sector (but very customer service-oriented), but the people I'm hiring are twice the age of kids working at Applebees, and they rarely pass the first step. It's absurd!


To stay on topic: when I served, I expected people to 1.) Not be pricks 2.) Pay their bill so I didn't have to 3.) Tip me at least 10% to cover what I have to pay taxes on and what I have to pay to the bartender/bussers 4.) Chill the fuck out and enjoy their meal.

 

[Kinitari]

You are trying to use this as an excuse and it makes you look like a douche.

I don't even understand what is going on anymore. The extent of the discussion has turned into "You're dumb, lol - everyone isn't this guy dumb? Hey one time I was a waiter and I had a really bad customer" - the shit is going on? Why is this so damn taboo?

 

[oneHeero]

1. I don't live in Canada.

2. There are certain jobs where people are paid particularly low with the expectation that they'll receive additional compensation, and no one's dick is going to fall off if they don't provide that extra compensation. Even the guy whose wife worked at Walgreen's admits that she doesn't have the expectation of a tip, and she'd probably be reprimanded if she even accepted one because that's not the structure of her job or the expectation of her employer. People who wait or deliver depend on tips to get by. This is just the way things are.

3. No, there have been people who stated they don't always tip, whether when not with someone of the opposite sex or if someone's delivering. Saying you never tip someone who works off of tips, even if it's in a very specific situation, is shitty.

4. That's your prerogative. I personally will tip a minimum even when I get shitty service, but that's just a personal choice, based on the fact that I may go back to this place if everything sans the waiter/waitress was good and I don't want my food spit on the next time, but a few bucks just isn't that much for me to lose sleep over


It blows my mind how far people will go in justifying holding on to 5 dollars. If you're so poor that you can't afford an extra 5 dollars, just don't go somewhere you'll be waited on or delivered to. If you're not, just fucking pay it and stop being such a fucking crybaby.

I cant believe what I'm reading lmao. Thats Kin's point, its everyone's personal prerogative. The 2nd bold is even more absurd to me, if your so worried about making ends meet because you work based off tips, than maybe you should find another jobs where money is constant instead of possibly. I'm not saying you work at a restaurant.

And if there is always someone like you who will always tip because its how you feel, in my book that doesnt make you o so awesome and nice and cool. Therefor I dont see myself as a douchbag because I choose not to tip a delivery guy. Shit if anything I know there will be someone who tips no matter what or someone who tips more than average to make up for me. Is it right? Obviously not to everyone, but its also your prerogative and its mine. Just because YOU feel it makes me a dbag doesnt mean your 100% right or that America should think the same.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I got lol@ for so many smart remarks to me yet no one can find the time to properly respond.

You lack the social graces to tip someone that brings food to your door. There's no response but "lol" to something that irrational.

 

[Kinitari]

The question was stupid.

Like I said, we all agree it's a broken system. But asking "why don't we just tip everyone" is like asking "hey why do CEOs make so much?"

You asked the question in response to empathy for waiters. We don't tip just out of empathy. We tip because it's the custom.

I never said "why don't we tip everyone" I asked why we don't tip everyone who gets paid shit and does us a service? What holds wait staff apart? And I awknowledge that it is different in the states where they get paid 3 dollars - I can at least appreciate that - my question is trying to figure out WHY even in Canada, wait staff get the special treatment.

Customs are fuck stupid sometimes, I am not saying this one is per say, as even I tip, and I'll tip more if I am really happy with a server, but this "Don't fucking question our customs" mentality is mind boggling.

 

[Big-E]

I don't even understand what is going on anymore. The extent of the discussion has turned into "You're dumb, lol - everyone isn't this guy dumb? Hey one time I was a waiter and I had a really bad customer" - the shit is going on? Why is this so damn taboo?

What's wrong with what I responded with. You are deliberately mentioning our minimum wage as an excuse for people not to tip.

 

[Big-E]

I cant believe what I'm reading lmao. Thats Kin's point, its everyone's personal prerogative. The 2nd bold is even more absurd to me, if your so worried about making ends meet because you work based off tips, than maybe you should find another jobs where money is constant instead of possibly. I'm not saying you work at a restaurant.

And if there is always someone like you who will always tip because its how you feel, in my book that doesnt make you o so awesome and nice and cool. Therefor I dont see myself as a douchbag because I choose not to tip a delivery guy. Shit if anything I know there will be someone who tips no matter what or someone who tips more than average to make up for me. Is it right? Obviously not to everyone, but its also your prerogative and its mine. Just because YOU feel it makes me a dbag doesnt mean your 100% right or that America should think the same.

Say what you want about him. You may think he is misguided and maybe an idiot but at least he ain't cheap.

 

[oneHeero]

You lack the social graces to tip someone that brings food to your door. There's no response but "lol" to something that irrational.

The problem with this thinking is you must believe every delivery situation is the same.

So instead of properly reading post and make an reply that could lead to both of us being enlightened you choose to make sarcastic remarks. Me being the person I am, I sat here replying to everything I could and being as detailed as needed to defend why I tip/dont tip the way I do.

Tipping a delivery guy in NY isnt the same as tipping a delivery guy in San Antonio. I stated if I lived in a place like NY I'd definitely tip my delivery guy. Its obviously a huge market in a place like NY. You cant see that difference and assume your right. Its practically the definition of a fanboy in the gaming area. Not thinking before you post, I do it too though.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

The problem with this thinking is you must believe every delivery situation is the same.

So instead of properly reading post and make an reply that could lead to both of us being enlightened you choose to make sarcastic remarks. Me being the person I am, I sat here replying to everything I could and being as detailed as needed to defend why I tip/dont tip the way I do.

Tipping a delivery guy in NY isnt the same as tipping a delivery guy in San Antonio. I stated if I lived in a place like NY I'd definitely tip my delivery guy. Its obviously a huge market in a place like NY. You cant see that difference and assume your right. Its practically the definition of a fanboy in the gaming area. Not thinking before you post, I do it too though.

This is awesome.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I don't even understand what is going on anymore.

That's been obvious to everyone else for a while.

I cant believe what I'm reading lmao. Thats Kin's point, its everyone's personal prerogative. The 2nd bold is even more absurd to me, if your so worried about making ends meet because you work based off tips, than maybe you should find another jobs where money is constant instead of possibly. I'm not saying you work at a restaurant.

And if there is always someone like you who will always tip because its how you feel, in my book that doesnt make you o so awesome and nice and cool. Therefor I dont see myself as a douchbag because I choose not to tip a delivery guy. Shit if anything I know there will be someone who tips no matter what or someone who tips more than average to make up for me. Is it right? No, but its also your prerogative and its mine. Just because YOU feel it makes me a dbag doesnt mean your 100% right or that America should think the same.

Actually, it does make me nice. Doing something you don't have to just because you should is the very definition of "nice". It doesn't make me particularly nice, it just makes me decent.

I never said it wasn't a prerogative. Tipping someone in any situation is absolutely a personal choice, I'm just saying it makes someone a douchebag if they opt not to. It's also a personal choice not to say "fuck you" to someone who said hello to you, but I imagine you'd be just as amazed by them as I am by you if you saw it happen.

And America does feel the same. That's sort of why things are the way they are. If America didn't think waiters or delivery drivers deserved to be tipped it wouldn't be a social norm. I live in a relatively small city and everyone I know tips the driver, so stop being ridiculous enough to think that location matters.

I haven't worked for tips in years, it just never occurred to me to be a dick and withhold one from someone else.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It's also a personal choice not to say "fuck you" to someone who said hello to you, but I imagine you'd be just as amazed by them as I am by you if you saw it happen.

In a perfect world, this wraps up the discussion forever.