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Zendaya's role in SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING has been revealed!

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SpaceWolf

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Won't get into this too hard, but Stan is still the "primary" creator and has always given Ditko credit on every issue for bringing his ideas to life.

As a comic book creator myself that works with a team, I fully get Stan on this on the subject of creator credit and "primary" creator stuff. I have a dozen co-creators for various characters, but if I'm the idea man who came up with the whole concept and wrote out all the stories, then I'm still the primary creator and the artist who helped bring that idea to life is still my co-creator, but the conception and character-building was still entirely my own.

I think Stan Lee's creative contributions to Spiderman in addition to other legendary Marvel characters, has often been over-stated, leading to the man developing an over-inflated reputation in the comic book industry which Lee has done nothing but encourage. Alan Moore talked about this a while ago, even offering his perspective on the Jonathan Ross interview I quoted earlier. According to a variety of counter-sources, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko were far more involved closely in the creation of Spiderman than Stan himself, who initially contributed little else than coming up with the name of Spiderman and wanting him to be a teenage superhero. Regardless of whether those are even true however (there are a lot of contradictory claims around that time), I certainly don't feel that knowing what we know for definite, Stan Lee has the right to insist he was the MAIN creator of the Spiderman, or to even act with such reluctance when publically crediting Ditko as the Co-Creator, which Ditko absolutely was. It doesn't quite mirror the Bob Kane/Bill Finger situation, but for me personally, it does seem to share a handful of uncomfortable parallels.

It's wicked you get to work on comics by the way, man. Have you worked on any titles I might have heard of? Regardless, that sounds very cool.

...okay? and i firmly believe she's the right actress for the part, who fuck said anything about boners?

Artisan?

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Let it go.
 
...okay? and i firmly believe she's the right actress for the part, who fuck said anything about boners?

i only got to see like the last quarter of the movie. but i thought she was good.

You're doing a very poor job of explaining why you think a very noticeably 30 year old actress should be romantically involved with a 15/16 year old character.

Is it because you saw a recent comic panel of MJ that resembled Daddario? Because that's like the worst reason to cast an actress.
 

Pachimari

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yes she does
Admittedly, I don't know her range of acting skills but based on looks alone, she looks way older than Tom, and she doesn't look like a model.

And why don't we just get back to Zendaya who the thread is about. Zendaya who can go for looking the same age as Tom, looks and is a model and has a charisma around her. She looks sweet, beautiful and confident.
 
You're doing a very poor job of explaining why you think a very noticeably 30 year old actress should be romantically involved with a 15/16 year old character.
It could just be because I don't care to explain myself. We don't have to agree on this but everyone in the thread is doing a "very poor job" of trying to get me to think she'd be a bad choice; but that's okay and doesn't matter because 1. it's okay for us to have different opinions and 2. she's not MJ anyway, Zendaya is. I'm not happy with any of the casting in this movie and I also don't think this actress would be "very noticeably 30 years old" if she were in the movie opposite Tom Holland, who is already 5 years older than the character he is portraying anyway.

Is it because you saw a recent comic panel of MJ that resembled Daddario? Because that's like the worst reason to cast an actress.
No, it's not the reason why - I don't even know what you're talking about but it sounds interesting - my reason is simple: I think she really looks the part and has the acting ability to pull it off.
Admittedly, I don't know her range of acting skills but based on looks alone, she looks way older than Tom, and she doesn't look like a model.
She's extremely attractive which MJ is supposed to be, I don't think she looks THAT much older than Tom; in a movie I think they could pull off a 5 year age gap between characters.

And why don't we just get back to Zendaya who the thread is about. Zendaya who can go for looking the same age as Tom, looks and is a model and has a charisma around her. She looks sweet, beautiful and confident.
Sure. I just mentioned who my preferred choice is. I'm meh about this choice, as I was with all the casting but arguably what's most important is their acting ability in these roles
I did and it doesn't make sense lol.
really? ask me any question and i'll clarify
 
Well this is very much a story about Peter Parker in high school and doesn't make sense to get him romantically involved with someone 5-10 years older than him. That's what Felicia Hardy is for, as soon as it's not technically statutory rape.


I think [RANDOM ASIAN ACTRESS] should've been Mary Jane

Emma Stone already played Gwen dude
 

neorej

ERMYGERD!
Chistina Hendricks is already a lock for Power Girl. I can't have one actor play more than one superhero, Cpt America & Deadpool were confusing enough.
 

Garlador

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I think Stan Lee's creative contributions to Spiderman in addition to other legendary Marvel characters, has often been over-stated, leading to the man developing an over-inflated reputation in the comic book industry which Lee has done nothing but encourage. Alan Moore talked about this a while ago, even offering his perspective on the Jonathan Ross interview I quoted earlier. According to a variety of counter-sources, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko were far more involved closely in the creation of Spiderman than Stan himself, who initially contributed little else than coming up with the name of Spiderman and wanting him to be a teenage superhero. Regardless of whether those are even true however (there are a lot of contradictory claims around that time), I certainly don't feel that knowing what we know for definite, Stan Lee has the right to insist he was the MAIN creator of the Spiderman, or to even show reluctance in crediting Ditko as the Co-Creator, which Ditko absolutely was. It doesn't quite mirror the Bob Kane/Bill Finger situation, but for me personally, it does seem to share a handful of uncomfortable parallels.
I do think it's a very "gray" area, and I don't necessarily think either side is wrong. An argument can, with great validity, be made for either side.

I know Stan was a proponent of the "Marvel method" of book creation (which I employ as well), which has a captain steering the ship of a book and coming up with the primary ideas and ultimately with final say over the direction and story of a book, but that it's very, VERY much a collaborative effort of brainstorming up ideas and giving artists leeway and freedom to reinterpret creative diction in their own ways. It's how I write my comic outlines, with a framework and flexible structure, and then my artists interpret my story into pages, and then I look at the pages and fill in the details of dialogue and narration. It's a back-and-forth, and I was doing it before I even realized that was what Stan Lee did as well. In that regard, the artists I have absolutely contribute to the story and the characters, but I'm the one laying the groundwork. The conception was mine, they build the pictures from that, and I in turn give voice to those pictures. I'm not surprised in the slightest Stan and Kirby and Ditko were doing this, since it allows for great speed, efficiency, and flexibility in the comic making process.

It's wicked you get to work on comics by the way, man. Have you worked on any titles I might have heard of? Regardless, that sounds very cool.
... Er, I sure hope not. We're independent and have a particular... clientele. Lol. Let's just say they're not mainstream and the comic code authority would frown upon us. Bless the internet.
 
FANCASTING: The Movie

Starring:
Idris Elba as The Black Guy
Ken Watanabe as The Asian Guy
20-Something With DDs as The Chick
WWE Wrestler as The Strong Guy
Tom Hardy as Someone, I Dunno
Nobody Over 40 as Prominent Female Character
 

neorej

ERMYGERD!
FANCASTING: The Movie

Starring:
Idris Elba as The Black Guy
Ken Watanabe as The Asian Guy
20-Something With DDs as The Chick
WWE Wrestler as The Strong Guy
Tom Hardy as Someone, I Dunno
Nobody Over 40 as Prominent Female Character

Your list fails. Christina Hendricks is over 40.

Also, why is <RANDOM ASIAN ACTRESS> not in there?
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Amy Adams for MJ. Just let her corner the market on superhero love interests.
 
really? ask me any question and i'll clarify

It's already been said and you've already waved it off. She doesn't look close to the age group of any of the other high school actors in the movie. Distractingly so and because of that, it doesn't make sense to cast her as MJ even if she otherwise perfectly embodied the role. Essentially your justification for it boils down to she's hot like MJ should be, and she's a competent actress, as if those two qualities couldn't exist in an actress 10 years younger that blends better with the cast.
 
It's already been said and you've already waved it off.
What do you mean "waved it off"? I haven't backed down or shy away from sticking with my opinion here.
She doesn't look close to the age group of any of the other high school actors in the movie.
I don't care about that though. Her character can just be a college girl.
Distractingly so and because of that, it doesn't make sense to cast her as MJ even if she otherwise perfectly embodied the role. Essentially your justification for it boils down to she's hot like MJ should be, and she's a competent actress, as if those two qualities couldn't exist in an actress 10 years younger that blends better with the cast.
the peter parker in question is already 4-5 years older than the age in which you're in high school, and there's enough things about the casting that I find "distracting" that I think an age gap would be the least of the problems.
 

3N16MA

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Daddario? Maybe if she played a mid 20s MJ who got busted for having a relationship with a 15 year old Peter.

I don't think that is the film Marvel wants to make.
 
Daddario? Maybe if she played a mid 20s MJ who got busted for having a relationship with a 15 year old Peter.

I don't think that is the film Marvel wants to make.
for the first film she could just be a junior or a senior while peter is a freshman. although some guy on the other page said peter is a sophomore/junior in this movie, not a freshman
 

Corpekata

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for the first film she could just be a junior or a senior while peter is a freshman. although some guy on the other page said peter is a sophomore/junior in this movie, not a freshman

She's 30 years old man. She's older than Emma Stone that played a graduating HS / college aged love interest. Let it go.
 
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