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Ok i am giving up on disc drive farming. There is no point to it. My miayabi still has the same stats as on day one, but i farmed disc drives every day for her. For some reason only disc 1 keeps getting both stats. Crit rate and damage. I have over 10 of those. But not even one good ice damage disc even after using 8 or so calibrators. Atleast i have already a lot of drives for Astra.
 
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Spyxos said:
Ok i am giving up on disc drive farming. There is no point to it. My miayabi still has the same stats as on day one, but i farmed disc drives every day for her. For some reason only disc 1 keeps getting both stats. Crit rate and damage. I have over 10 of those. But not even one good ice damage disc even after using 8 or so calibrators. Atleast i have already a lot of drives for Astra.
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I always end up with the same mindset in HoYo games. Correct set, Correct main stat, hopefully 1 or more useful substats = Good enough™.

I'm not a youtuber or a spreadsheeter, so I don't care if my kills take a little longer or whatever. No shame to those that enjoy the grind, but it's one of the most soulcrushing types of grind I have encountered in gaming.

And I used to play old MMOs with .05% drop rates, so I know a thing or two about grind.
 
Pejo said:
I always end up with the same mindset in HoYo games. Correct set, Correct main stat, hopefully 1 or more useful substats = Good enough™.

I'm not a youtuber or a spreadsheeter, so I don't care if my kills take a little longer or whatever. No shame to those that enjoy the grind, but it's one of the most soulcrushing types of grind I have encountered in gaming.

And I used to play old MMOs with .05% drop rates, so I know a thing or two about grind.
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This is more or less my exact strategy. Get the correct main stat, and at least 1 or 2 appropriate sub stats and call it good. At that point you have unlocked the majority of a character's potential, any further grinding could help, but likely will just suffer diminishing returns for your time
 
You're gonna drive yourself crazy going for great stats on the discs, it's not really needed anyway, you can make up for a bit lower stats with skill.
 
Yeah, you don't need any of this unless you're after 720 polys in SD 2 times per month and even then... 8 pulls are not worth it and especially if you don't have a shitload of patience and tolerance for this kind of grind. It took me a month to get good discs for Miyabi, but I still need to swap at least 2 (not to mention 2 discs for Lighter) - no luck on that front so far.
 
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Ok i am giving up on disc drive farming. There is no point to it. My miayabi still has the same stats as on day one, but i farmed disc drives every day for her. For some reason only disc 1 keeps getting both stats. Crit rate and damage. I have over 10 of those. But not even one good ice damage disc even after using 8 or so calibrators. Atleast i have already a lot of drives for Astra.
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In all these games that dont allow to reroll the substats i just pick a main stat with 1 or 2 good substats for the character and call it a day, the other 2 substats are whatever. Two of the gacha games i play let me reroll and lock substats so bulding characters and make them perform the way I want is so much better.
 
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Astra Character Demo (?). I find it funny that they're waiting until the last possible minute to show her actual gameplay.



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Prices for the paid skins:
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So in USD we're looking at $15 for Ellen, $20~ish for Astra. I don't know offhand how much" Bonus" Monochrome you get from the $5 or $15 packs, so maybe buying one of each is enough. It'd be ultra scummy to make the $5 and $15 packs just slightly not enough to buy the skin, so I don't think they'd go that far, hopefully.

I don't personally think they're worth it. Free for Ellen's and 15 for Astra would have been my max. Alternatively these prices are fine if you could buy them with Polychromes as well.
 
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Which engine is good for Astra? I have watched 3 videos for Astra builds and they all say something different.
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As far as 4*, I'm seeing Lucy's signature (Kaboom the Cannon) as the recommended for now. I'm planning on giving her a "Slice of Time" I already had leveled.
 
Just tried her a bit, and she seems extremely good, she should elevate any team she's on quite a bit; she's probably a much better choice to pull on instead of evelyn
 
Got Astra in 40 pulls from 0 pity, I'm quite happy with that.
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Reviews for Astra in yet? Is she a "must pull"?
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I've only just been using her a bit, but she kinda makes the entire quickswap type gameplay actually viable. You're essentially rolling a character that presses one button then fucks off, but her effects are really good and it creates a really fun (IMO) gameplay style. Too bad she didn't have just slightly more on-field presence, but from a meta viewpoint it's probably better that she requires little on-field time to maximize your DPS time. I was surprised how she made Nekomiya fun/strong in her character demo. Might us her in a team with Piper/Neko in my own account, since I'm fairly happy with my other team comps for general content and have been looking for SOMETHING to do with Neko since the beginning of the game.
 
First 10 pulls. that was easy enough lol

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Nice butt too!

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Also really liked her gameplay, attacking with other characters while Astra sings in the background to buff attack and then healing all characters with her ultimate is really cool.
 
Ended up pulling for her. Lost 50/50 to grace at 50 around pulls I think wasn't exactly counting , and got her in another 30, so not too bad.

That said, is it my imagination but wasn't Astra a bit more "cheeky" the way Burnice is? Did they change/ censor her model ? Or maybe what I saw was a mod or fan art. Swear her shorts didn't come down as far. Could be in my head tho.

I really liked the story with her and Evelyn. This is the way you do a singer character, fuck Robin lol
 
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That said, is it my imagination but wasn't Astra a bit more "cheeky" the way Burnice is? Did they change/ censor her model ? Or maybe what I saw was a mod or fan art. Swear her shorts didn't come down as far. Could be in my head tho.
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I wouldn't be surprised at this point. Clearly they're being extra careful lately since the last patch with the transparency fuckup. I kinda wish we wouldn't have gotten the ability to run around as all of the characters if it just meant everyone was going to be extra censored from that point forward.

Anyways, another good Astra character lore video that probably should be in the game instead of a random post-release YouTube video.

 
Thers a new tower to climb with some more primos as rewards, but just like the other one the primo rewards stop above the floor 15. I stoped climbing when i completed the floor 20 and got the gold badge. No point for me to keep moving up for a few dennies and disks. Some enemies are reskined from previous enemies with new moves so thers something new.
 
Thick Thighs Save Lives said:
Congrats my man! Also, 300 pulls saved up!? That amount of pulls should easily get you both Evelyn and her weapon! :messenger_sunglasses:
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Thx a lot. I can't believe myself that I still have so many tapes. I have the Battlepass and the monthly thingy running otherwise I haven't bought any tapes. All my luck seems to be concentrated in this game. I don't even know if I could use Evelyn. I only have Burnice and Lucy no Lighter. I probably wouldn't get the weapon. The only one I have is for Miyabi and only because I lost 75/25 in a 10 pull and could be sure I would get it very soon after my loose.
 
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Fuckin' hell, I just.... can't resist these fuckin' eyes, man....:messenger_loudly_crying:

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Thankfully I had a shit load of discs for her plus old ones I had already lvld, so it wasn't a huge investment. Not going to pull for her W-Engine cuz Vault has better bonuses + Either focused buffs and effects, which her W-Engine don't have for some reason. Hopefully I'll gather enough polys in a month+ cuz I'm sure as shit will lose 50/50, but I've 50+ tapes saved so I hope it'll be enough to get Evelyn. Only played Astra's VR training so I'm yet to see if my weakness payed off in the end game or not:messenger_mr_smith_who_are_you_going_to_call:
 
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Spyxos said:
Wtf got her in 30 pulls. Still have over 300 pulls. Now might try to get Evelyn.
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Congrats, if I had that many pulls left over I'd 100% get her to at least C1, 2 if lucky; you can make due without astra's weapon but astra's C1 is entirely worth it and you'd still have enough to get Evelyn guaranteed.
 
So, tested Astra in a few fights and got her EX and Ult to 11 (will max them out when I get to her and Ellen's story during weekend). It's really cool that she always stays on the field, sings and buffs attack and Crit DMG for the whole team, heals everyone with her Ult and replaces basic attack of the rest of two agents with chain attack (or is it quick assist? idr:messenger_dizzy:) automaticaly. Good stuff. Not on the level of Tokyo Mirage, but WTF is even?

With all that said, I think you need to swap agents way too early to get the bonus buff and as a result, you're almost not generating energy for agents and basically rely on their basic attacks (even though buffed) and Ults instead of EXs. I think they should tweak Astra a bit so that agents could restore more energy and use their EXs often, say, let them fight longer before buff activates. I mean, sure, you can totally ignore it and choose to generate more energy instead and let other agent use Astra's buff, but I don't think it was designed for you to do it that way:pie_thinking:

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Also, I think her skirt is way too high and during free roam in the districts, I just can't help but imagine a giant army of otaku (which we can't see) running behind her with hanging and drooling tongues, bleeding noses while looking at her ass:messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Agent_4Seven said:
So, tested Astra in a few fights and got her EX and Ult to 11 (will max them out when I get to her and Ellen's story during weekend). It's really cool that she always stays on the field, sings and buffs attack and Crit DMG for the whole team, heals everyone with her Ult and replaces basic attack of the rest of two agents with chain attack (or is it quick assist? idr:messenger_dizzy:) automaticaly. Good stuff. Not on the level of Tokyo Mirage, but WTF is even?

With all that said, I think you need to swap agents way too early to get the bonus buff and as a result, you're almost not generating energy for agents and basically rely on their basic attacks (even though buffed) and Ults instead of EXs. I think they should tweak Astra a bit so that agents could restore more energy and use their EXs often, say, let them fight longer before buff activates. I mean, sure, you can totally ignore it and choose to generate more energy instead and let other agent use Astra's buff, but I don't think it was designed for you to do it that way:pie_thinking:

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Also, I think her skirt is way too high and during free roam in the districts, I just can't help but imagine a giant army of otaku (wich we can't see) running behind her with hanging and drooling tongues, bleeding noses while looking at her ass:messenger_tears_of_joy:
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I see what you're saying about her playstyle, but I think the devs were trying to make a new viable type of combat in quickswapping with Astra as your support. So like Astra/DPS/DPS instead of the usual layouts of DPS/Support/Support or DPS/Stunner/support, that type of thing.

I'm actually grateful they did it this way, because it helps out a few characters that really had no place on a team before. Astra/Piper/Neko has been really fast, since Piper can Assault very quickly and Neko gets big buffs after Assault is triggered. I assume Jane works too, but she already has some great teams.

In Genshin Impact terms, they did this with a character last year. Her kit enables you to jump like 3x as high as normal, which enabled you to use a playstyle that was never possible beforehand, doing jumps and falling attacks (usually highest damage % modifier in the game). She wasn't anything special outside of that, but it made a whole new type of play possible. That's what I'm seeing so far with Astra.

Makes sense too, because before really investing in her signature engine and extra copies, spreadsheeters said that Nicole is still a better support for Zhu Yuan in an ether team. After playing with Astra, she's definitely a new type of team enabler.
 
Pejo said:
I see what you're saying about her playstyle, but I think the devs were trying to make a new viable type of combat in quickswapping with Astra as your support. So like Astra/DPS/DPS instead of the usual layouts of DPS/Support/Support or DPS/Stunner/support, that type of thing.

I'm actually grateful they did it this way, because it helps out a few characters that really had no place on a team before. Astra/Piper/Neko has been really fast, since Piper can Assault very quickly and Neko gets big buffs after Assault is triggered. I assume Jane works too, but she already has some great teams.

In Genshin Impact terms, they did this with a character last year. Her kit enables you to jump like 3x as high as normal, which enabled you to use a playstyle that was never possible beforehand, doing jumps and falling attacks (usually highest damage % modifier in the game). She wasn't anything special outside of that, but it made a whole new type of play possible. That's what I'm seeing so far with Astra.
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Yeah, I guess I'm just not into this type of combat gameplay, but we'll see, maybe I'll like it after playing with Astra and different team compositions more and find a sweet spot:messenger_relieved:

Pejo said:
Makes sense too, because before really investing in her signature engine and extra copies, spreadsheeters said that Nicole is still a better support for Zhu Yuan in an ether team. After playing with Astra, she's definitely a new type of team enabler.
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I can see why that is. Unlike Nicole, Astra simply can't group enemies together so that Zhu can unload her EX and Ult on all of them. I wonder who we'll get as an Ether stunner, but whoever that is, it must be special:pie_thinking:
 
Agent_4Seven said:
Yeah, I guess I'm just not into this type of combat gameplay, but we'll see, maybe I'll like it after playing with Astra and different team compositions more and find a sweet spot:messenger_relieved:
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It's very possible (read: Likely) that they're going to be releasing new characters that take full advantage of quickswap. This is just them putting the cart in front of the horse like usual, to make Astra skippers feel that FOMO.
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I can see why that is. Unlike Nicole, Astra simply can't group enemies together so that Zhu can unload her EX and Ult on all of them. I wonder who we'll get as an Ether stunner, but whoever that is, it must be special:pie_thinking:
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Yea the grouping is huge for Zhu Yuan. I still don't like her gameplay though. Can't wait for a 2nd Ether Attacker or Anomaly.

Anyways, this is a pretty cool Miyabi mod. Gives her more of a samurai outfit instead of office worker.
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What do you guys think about the value of buying singature S rank Engines from the pity store? I did some quick math, and it'd be like 33 rainbow tapes vs. guaranteed S rank engine.

I'm kinda liking Astra more than I expected, so I'm deciding if I just buy Rina's engine then shuffle the engine from Rina to Astra, or if I take those 33 pulls and just roll for Astra's sig.

I know I can get spooked at random with Rina's, which is what has me hesitating, but I also don't wanna waste the other 40~ pulls on Astra's engine and not get it, and instead get another Neko or S11 engine.

Decisions...
 
Anybody else find Astra's gameplay boring? Nicole isnt much better, so im hoping for Zhu Yuan to save the ethereal spot.
 
Pejo said:
What do you guys think about the value of buying singature S rank Engines from the pity store? I did some quick math, and it'd be like 33 rainbow tapes vs. guaranteed S rank engine.

I'm kinda liking Astra more than I expected, so I'm deciding if I just buy Rina's engine then shuffle the engine from Rina to Astra, or if I take those 33 pulls and just roll for Astra's sig.

I know I can get spooked at random with Rina's, which is what has me hesitating, but I also don't wanna waste the other 40~ pulls on Astra's engine and not get it, and instead get another Neko or S11 engine.

Decisions...
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They are barely better than A ranks. I wouldn't do it.
 
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FreeY$L said:
Anybody else find Astra's gameplay boring? Nicole isnt much better, so im hoping for Zhu Yuan to save the ethereal spot.
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Astra has no gameplay, she is just standing there. But i find her better then Nicole. Nicoles Black holes always fly somewhere else.
 
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