Mexican Navy: Leader of Zetas Drug Cartel Dead

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Top Zetas drug cartel leader Heriberto Lazcano has apparently been killed in a firefight with marines in the northern border state of Coahuila, the Mexican navy says.

If confirmed, Lazcano’s death would be a huge victory for Mexican law enforcement, and mark the end of a founder of one of the world’s bloodiest cartels.

The navy said Monday there were “strong indications” that one of two men killed in the shootout Sunday was Lazcano, known as “El Lazca.” But it added that more forensics tests the body would have to be carried out to confirm the identification.


What is known is that the confrontation occurred in Juniper road to Progreso, in Coahuila, which killed two suspected members of the Los Zetas criminal organization.

During the armed conflict an element of the Marina was wounded. The federal force took the Zetas by surprise as the cartel members watched a baseball game.

The bodies of the subjects were lying inside of a Ford Ranger truck white at the height of the arc that welcomes progress.

According to eyewitnesses the armed men enjoyed a baseball game when suddenly arrived elements of the Navy of Mexico. After a Chase which sparked a shootout two subjects were killed and one sailor wounded. In the chase the Marina were fired upon with a grenade launcher.

The Zetas cartel that Lazcano helped found with other deserters from an elite army unit has carried out some of Mexico’s bloodiest massacres, biggest jail breaks and fiercest attacks on authorities.

Lazcano, who is also known as “El Verdugo” (the Executioner) for his brutality, is suspected in hundreds of killings, including the June 2004 slaying of Francisco Ortiz Franco, a top editor of a crusading weekly newspaper in Tijuana that often reported on drug trafficking. Ortiz Franco was gunned down in front of his two young children as he left a clinic.

The United States has offered a $5 million reward and Mexico an additional $2.3 million for information leading to Lazcano’s arrest.

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Heriberto Lazcano, the leader of the Zetas drug cartel, has apparently been killed in a firefight with marines in the northern border state of Coahuila, the Mexican navy has said.

The Zetas cartel that Lazcano helped found with other deserters from an elite army unit went on to carry out some of Mexico's bloodiest massacres, biggest jail breaks and fiercest attacks on authorities.

Lazcano, who is also known as "El Verdugo", the Executioner, for his brutality, is suspected of involvement in hundreds of killings, including the June 2004 slaying of Francisco Ortiz Franco, a top editor of a crusading weekly newspaper in Tijuana that often reported on drug trafficking.

More than 60,000 people have died in drug-related violence in Mexico since December 2006, when President Felipe Calderon put the military in charge of a campaign against organised crime.

More at Al Jazeera.
 
You better believe they aren't going to take this affront to their power lightly.

They'll probably take this out on the citizens.
 
Det. Ellis Carver: You can't even call this shit a war.
Det. Thomas Hauk: Why not?
Det. Ellis Carver: Wars end.

/thread
 
And, what's the point of this comment?

I would hazard a guess that it is clear sarcasm used to show a dissaproval or distaste of the continuing escalation of violence used in the war on drugs despite the lack of any real progress.

What's the point of your comment? Did you really need to call him out on that? Did it offend you so badly that you needed to call it into question? Couldn't you just have ignored it if you thought it was such a bad post? I'm genuinely intrigued as to your thought process.
 
I would hazard a guess that it is clear sarcasm used to show a dissaproval or distaste of the continuing escalation of violence used in the war on drugs despite the lack of any real progress.

What's the point of your comment? Did you really need to call him out on that? Did it offend you so badly that you needed to call it into question? Couldn't you just have ignored it if you thought it was such a bad post? I'm genuinely intrigued as to your thought process.
Well, you people don't know shit then. Although is true that this won't end the conflict (deep political and social reforms are needed for that, worldwide) taking out drug lords are a worthy goal on itself. Specially this guy, he's our Osama Bin Laden. Does killing Bin Laden ended the war on terror and conflict in the middle east? No. Why the whole USA celebrated then?

What else are we supposed to do? Let these guys roam free?
 
I thought Lazcano was replaced by Morales?

There was an NPR thing on Los Zetas infighting. Good get either way I suppose
 
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican state prosecutor: Armed men stole body of Zetas cartel leader from funeral home.
 
I don't know anything about in-depth about the drug-war problems going on in Mexico. That's why I come into this thread, to be educated by people like you who know more. But there are ways you go about doing things y'know? If you replace your comment calling his comment out with the one I am replying to then I would have been happy that there was a real discussion. You calling his comment shit didn't make anyone more understanding of what you guys are going through, and it doesn't add anything.


I personally would have said the same thing Betram did when OBL was killed tbh. But I don't know much about whether killing this Zetas leader was worth it or would help at all. I truly hope it does.
 
I think the best way to stop the cycle of drug violence is to stop giving these guys sweet ass nicknames like "El Verdugo."
 
And of course many will mock this news as if no one should appose these drug lords.


I don't just oppose the drug war, I oppose all of the people who are in favor of the drug war. It's obviously ineffective. It's obviously a failure. And that's been obvious for decades. The evidence that the drug war is a failure and completely ineffective has been so obvious for so long that I have to put part of the blame for the related deaths from the drug war at the feet of everyone who supports it.
 
MEXICO CITY (AP) — A state prosecutor says the body of one of Mexico's most feared drug lords was stolen from a funeral home by a group of armed men. It occurred a day after Zetas head Heriberto Lazcano was fatally shot in a gunfight with marines.

Coahuila Attorney General Homero Ramos says two men were killed by marines Sunday outside a baseball game in the town of Progreso. He says the fingerprints of one man matched the records of Lazcano, an army special forces deserter whose brutal paramilitary tactics helped define the devastating six-year war among Mexico's drug gangs and authorities.

Early Monday morning, Ramos said, a group of armed men raided the funeral home where the bodies were kept, and stole both corpses.

Lol, you were not joking.
 
Well, you people don't know shit then. Although is true that this won't end the conflict (deep political and social reforms are needed for that, worldwide) taking out drug lords are a worthy goal on itself. Specially this guy, he's our Osama Bin Laden. Does killing Bin Laden ended the war on terror and conflict in the middle east? No. Why the whole USA celebrated then?

What else are we supposed to do? Let these guys roam free?

The end result is the same.
 
I don't just oppose the drug war, I oppose all of the people who are in favor of the drug war. It's obviously ineffective. It's obviously a failure. And that's been obvious for decades. The evidence that the drug war is a failure and completely ineffective has been so obvious for so long that I have to put part of the blame for the related deaths from the drug war at the feet of everyone who supports it.
So, we should send flowers to the Z-40 and El Chapo now instead?

These guys command murderous armies that are tearing apart parts of my country. Even if later tonight all drugs are legalized and all illegal trade stops, we have the duty to hunts this fuckers down for all the crimes they have done.

Do I support the drug war? I believe that people should have the freedom of consuming whatever they please as long as they aren't affecting third parties. I believe that the general strategy is ill conceived and ultimately doomed. However, I strongly believe that the state needs to do all on their power to stop and bring to justice the murderous criminals that are terrorizing my country.

The end result is the same.
Why clean your house if its going to get dirty again anyway?
 
So, we should send flowers to the Z-40 and El Chapo now instead?

These guys command murderous armies that are tearing apart parts of my country. Even if later tonight all drugs are legalized and all illegal trade stops, we have the duty to hunts this fuckers down for all the crimes they have done.

Do I support the drug war? I believe that people should have the freedom of consuming whatever they please as long as they aren't affecting third parties. I believe that the general strategy is ill conceived and ultimately doomed. However, I strongly believe that the state needs to do all on their power to stop and bring to justice the murderous criminals that are terrorizing my country.

Then you agree with the poster you quoted.
 
I agree with the sentiment of many in this thread. This is a meaningless victory; we may as well legalize all drugs and reach out to the good people of the various cartels in an offer of peace and commerce.
 
Then you agree with the poster you quoted.
No he didn't. There is a war on drugs and there is a war against the cartels. The illegality of drugs in the US is different to bringing mass murderers to justice. Even if the cartels stopped smuggling drugs, you would still want to have these men face justice. You can disagree with the illegality of drugs and still think that a mass murderer should be pursued and that it is a good thing that they were caught or in this case killed.
 
As long as the infinite amount of money is there the violence will continue. And the more violence that is brought against them, the more ruthless they will become. There is just too much money in the drug trade for anything else to happen.

Will legalisation end all drug related violence and make the world a happy place? Probably not, but it won't be worse (and probably much better), it wont be an endless drain of resources, and maybe some of that money won't end up in tax havens.
 
No. Because I believe with using force against the cartels, which what the thread is all about. Celebrating that a mass murdered has now been stopped. (I would have preferred an apprehension).

The poster you quoted thinks the "war on drugs" is the failed USA drug policy which helps create the environment in which cartels benefit from their illegal actions.

No he didn't. There is a war on drugs and there is a war against the cartels. The illegality of drugs in the US is different to bringing mass murderers to justice. Even if the cartels stopped smuggling drugs, you would still want to have these men face justice. You can disagree with the illegality of drugs and still think that a mass murderer should be pursued and that it is a good thing that they were caught or in this case killed.

I don't think anyone is upset a drug lord died. I think the poster he quoted was pointing out that this man might not have had this crazy power prior to his death had the US's "war on drugs" not existed and failed to begin with.


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Either way ... did you not see the parts I bolded.
 
What would happen to all these scum if all countries legalized these substances, meaning that private companies can setup production and distribution of them.

Which also means that the price of them would normalize, once supply and demand reach and equilibrium.


I guess they could move to human trafficking and who knows what else, but it would for sure make their lives more difficult.
 
Thank God, the Drug War is finally over.

Nope, this is definitely it.

Our plan worked flawlessly.

Well, you people don't know shit then. Although is true that this won't end the conflict (deep political and social reforms are needed for that, worldwide) taking out drug lords are a worthy goal on itself. Specially this guy, he's our Osama Bin Laden. Does killing Bin Laden ended the war on terror and conflict in the middle east? No. Why the whole USA celebrated then?

What else are we supposed to do? Let these guys roam free?

*whoosh*

Glad they got this scum bag though.
 
Surely, no one will take his place and we won't hear about the leader of the same gang being captured or killed in another year from now.

We did it. The war is over.
 
Kill the head of a drug cartel responsible for thousands of deaths.

GAF* response: Bitch and moan that it's not enough.



Lmao.

Killing OBL also didn't end anything, but it sure was a big deal and the fucker had it coming. This is in the same ballpark.









*certain people
 
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