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Welp. That's it then. A lot of these old tweets prove she's fabricated many of the abuse allegations she leveled on Alec.
What a lying cunt.
What a lying cunt.
Welp. That's it then. A lot of these old tweets prove she's fabricated many of the abuse allegations she leveled on Alec.
What a lying cunt.
A lying murderous cunt.
Gaming's #MeToo Moment and the Tyranny of Male Fragility | WIRED
archived 9 Sep 2019 12:51:20 UTCarchive.is
They are using his corpse as a soapbox to talk about "toxic masculinity" and "male fragility". A man committed suicide and these people feel that this is the perfect time to go on a diatribe about how all men are awful. Even in death this guy can't escape the SJW slander media circus.
It is all so tiresome.
Can someone give me a brief rundown on how the tweets make a difference?
It’s so long and rambling that I can’t really get what’s going on.
Or if you tweet while going out at social events, but then tweet a few years later about how you were locked at home and kept from socislizing, I won't be sure what to believe...Basically, if I tweet from inside Pizza Hutt “I fucking love pizza Hutt, feed me like the fat slam pig I am”, but then a few months later take court action against pizza Hutt because Im allergic to pizza and that they are the worst thing ever and I never even set foot in their restaurants... There’s a bit of evidence there to suggest the contrary.
Zoe was suffering from internalized misogyny, causing her to act out that way during the abusive relationship. Conveniently, this internalized misogyny was also Alec's fault.Basically, if I tweet from inside Pizza Hutt “I fucking love pizza Hutt, feed me like the fat slam pig I am”, but then a few months later take court action against pizza Hutt because Im allergic to pizza and that they are the worst thing ever and I never even set foot in their restaurants... There’s a bit of evidence there to suggest the contrary.
You have got to be kidding me. That article, now I’ve seen it all.Gaming's #MeToo Moment and the Tyranny of Male Fragility | WIRED
archived 9 Sep 2019 12:51:20 UTCarchive.is
They are using his corpse as a soapbox to talk about "toxic masculinity" and "male fragility". A man committed suicide and these people feel that this is the perfect time to go on a diatribe about how all men are awful. Even in death this guy can't escape the SJW slander media circus.
It is all so tiresome.
Gaming's #MeToo Moment and the Tyranny of Male Fragility | WIRED
archived 9 Sep 2019 12:51:20 UTCarchive.is
They are using his corpse as a soapbox to talk about "toxic masculinity" and "male fragility". A man committed suicide and these people feel that this is the perfect time to go on a diatribe about how all men are awful. Even in death this guy can't escape the SJW slander media circus.
It is all so tiresome.
If you don’t agree with my politics you are a naziI’m sure that the website that published this article and uncovered the tweets in question is nothing more than Alt Right Nazis doing Alt Right Nazi stuff. Something something bad faith yikes hill to die on.
Now, call her whatever you want but remember it was a suicide. It's still Alec's own choice to take his life in the end. I think calling her murderous is too far even if she's aggressively bullying people.A lying murderous cunt.
Please remove your head from your ass. She knew him. She knew of his struggles with mental health. If she lied, as those tweets indeed appear to indicate she did, then she did so with intent of ruining his life knowing full well that him taking his own life was a very real possibility...yet she did it anyway. She may not have pulled the trigger but she certainly chambered a round before handing the gun to him.Now, call her whatever you want but remember it was a suicide. It's still Alec's own choice to take his life in the end. I think calling her murderous is too far even if she's aggressively bullying people.
Now, call her whatever you want but remember it was a suicide. It's still Alec's own choice to take his life in the end. I think calling her murderous is too far even if she's aggressively bullying people.
At the very least she should be charged with man slaughterYeah, I’d like to think she didn’t intend for him to kill himself.
Still, he did, and as someone who A) knew he had struggled for years with mental health issues and B) surely had at least an idea of what would happen when she put her accusation out there, she should be punished somehow.
I’m just wondering what it’ll take for the industry press and dev community to finally cut her loose and stop protecting her. She all but handed him a loaded gun (figuratively of course).
EDIT: ooh double gun metaphors did we just become best friends MeatSafeMurderer
EXCLUSIVE: Zoe Quinn’s allegations are falling apart
Recently unearthed tweets provided to The Post Millennial reveal inconsistencies in Zoe Quinn’s allegations against Alec Holowka.www.thepostmillennial.com
It won't. The media would never let it happen.Wow, that's absolutely huge. I hope this article catches more attention and it's all investigated thoroughly. If she lied, she must be held accountable.
So while Zoe was in this horribly abusive relationship, she kept love-tweeting Alec while hyping up the game they were working on together. People like her often project their own abusive behavior onto other people and the only reason why she didn't say anything about their relationship back then was simply because there was no notoriety to gain from it. Gaming's #metoo moment turns out to be another social media witch-hunt orchestrated by self-serving people who are making these accusations not for justice, but for personal gain.
Oh and by the way, did that game they were so furiously working on, It's Not Okay Cupid, ever materialize? Of course not, because Zoe Quinn doesn't have the skill or creative talent to finish it by herself. She is not a game developer, but a succubus who lets other people do the dirty work while she tends to her twitter wall grabing all the public attention.
Of course, the usual media vultures like Laurie Penny were already salivating at the prospect of another salacious scandal, doesn't matter how many bodies keep piling up so long as the twitter accusations keep coming:
F*ck you Laurie Penny for siding with a known abuser for the sake of keeping your self-serving narrative alive through such hollow unfounded assumptions. Is Zoe Quinn's fake twitter persona really more important than the tragic end of another person? Where is the justice for her numerous ex-lovers who were dropped like a hot potato once they served their use in furthering Quinn's fake gaming career? Where is the justice for Eron, Alec and all of her other victims? Where were you when Eron's desperate abuse drove him to come out with the Zoe post?
The fact that these twitter accusations are being scrutinized is because from an outside perspective, the accused has a right to be heard as much as the accuser. This has nothing to do with "making an example of women and queer people", it has everything to do with upholding what is just. Doesn't matter if you're a woman or gay, justice is blind and only cares about the facts. If you were truly concerned about the well-being of the victims, you'd make sure these accusations would get a proper trial. Power-hungry self-serving c*nts on twatter latching on to whatever moral panic is served as the soup du jour on social media should never be made judge, jury and executioner and Alec's tragic end is exactly the reason why.
Do people seriously believe that I should take every dumb tweet and social media post as a matter of fact? As a "journalist", Laurie Penny should know better, but we all know that these people are not "journalists", they are lifestyle bloggers selling an ideological brand for financial gain because otherwise they have nothing of substance to say. Get the f*ck off social media and take a look at the real world, but we all know you're trapped in there because your own mirror image frightens you.
For all the hollow virtue-signaling, the endless campaigns against harassment and the emotional pleas for human empathy, in the end it is your toxic cancel culture and ideological zealotry that came at the expense of a human's life. I hope Alec's unfortunate fate will hang over Zoe's head like the sword of Damocles. His life and well-being wasn't worth the 5 minutes of e-fame she tried to squeeze out of this.
It is an unfortunate truth that "dead men can’t tweet back", but it is equally true that we will never forget.
Edit: Thank you kind internet stranger. It is much appreciated, although feeling undeserved for merely stating what should be common sense.
She doesn't believe in God so she will be fine.Is there any hope for our industry anymore if we have people covering up these types of actions?
What a bitch for doing this. I hope that when she dies of old age that God reminds her of the sin she committed and goes to Hell/Purgatory.
She doesn't believe in God so she will be fine.
And of course, you'll never hear about any of these updates in a new Era thread.
Now, call her whatever you want but remember it was a suicide. It's still Alec's own choice to take his life in the end. I think calling her murderous is too far even if she's aggressively bullying people.
Apparently the site is currently experiencing a DDOS attack. The writer is also claiming that her twitter has been receiving several unauthorised login attempts. As someone who's followed the Zoe Quinn saga for a few years now I am not surprised in the least. It's like fucking clockwork at this point.
Anyway, just a heads up.
That must also be the Alt Right. Dem mutha fuckas are crazy.Yup, here come the DDoS and hack attacks. Careful you don't get suicided.
Apparently the site is currently experiencing a DDOS attack. The writer is also claiming that her twitter has been receiving several unauthorised login attempts. As someone who's followed the Zoe Quinn saga for a few years now I am not surprised in the least. It's like fucking clockwork at this point.
Anyway, just a heads up.
EDIT: Proof... I think:
Again, it is skewed to say that she intentionally drove him to suicide. She did her part of this incident for attention and agenda-pushing, not to kill a person. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't think she has remorse but I think it's important as the reactionary group of people we are, to be better at distinguishing things, and I'm totally sure she never intended to push someone to suicide. That says nothing about whether she feels guilty now or not, which I think she doesn't because like all those "Basic human decency" claimers or "empathy" claimers they don't act out what they profess, and if I'm taking it the extra mile, they don't even know what it means.If she never made that tweet, he would not have killed himself. She was the one who pushed him to his death. This is fact.
someone find and link that Joe Rogan video where he interviews a woman who was threatened/warned by Zoe Quinn and then an hour later the woman was bombarded by phone calls and tweets. I'm on mobile, can't search now myself.Yep. This is the exact same shit that happened right after the goddamn Zoe Post came out. It's fucking weird and no one has a sane explanation for any of it. Shit's gonna get weird fellas.
So, given that the Post Millenial article is a good source of debunking claims, we can sort of set up a timeline from sources.
Luckily, I'm one of those nerds that likes data, structures and tables.
ROUGH DATE ZOE'S CLAIMS POST MILLENNIAL FINDINGS CONCLUSION PRE-MARCH 2012 (Zoe goes on to say this she meets Alec "one month after the assault", so we can place this around about February-ish) Abuse from an Unnamed Assailant [zoe notes: paragraph 2 & 3] No comment in the PM article on this No conclusion - zoe doesn't name this abuser, and quickly mentions that "this isn't about him. I've forgiven him." We can ignore this claim, for now for the purpose of this Alec case. PM doesn't mention it. START OF MARCH 2012 Give that Zoe's notes gives us a rough date of the previous abuse at Feburary, she meets Alec "one month later", placing that around march. We can conclude that they start chatting around here. PM found multiple snippets from a podcast in which Zoe goes on to explain how she met alec, via DMs on twatter. MARCH 2012 Zoe doesn't specify when she gears up to go to Winnpeg to live with Alec in the zoe notes source. PM found, from archived tweets, that Zoe was preparing to go to Winnipeg around March We can conclude that Zoe prepared to leave Toronto for Winnipeg in March MARCH END / APRIL START 2012 As above, zoe doesn't specify when she moves to Winnipeg Using dozens of archived tweets from Zoe's twitter, PM very reliably places the move date around this time We can conclude that Zoe moves from Toronto to Winnipeg around the start of April (if not the end of March) APRIL START TO MID APRIL 2012 During this period, zoe claims a bulk of things done by Alec in the zoe notes [paragraph 7] Part of Zoe's claims during this period is that Alec isolated her and locked her away from the 3 unnamed friends during this period. Around this time, Zoe and Alec appear together on a Podcast, explaining how they met on twitter, their relationship, and their project Not Ok Cupid (never released). Obviously, no mention of abuse happens on the podcast. Alec mentions that he spent some time on OK Cupid before meeting zoe. Hence the project. There are dozens and dozens of tweets detailing their time through-out april in Winnipeg. Including arranging a meet-up, shopping, and so on. We can conclude that Alec probably did not shut Zoe away and isolate her, at least for the most part, because they often tweeted about their movements. Assuming the tweets are true, for now.
NOTE: There's alot of say-so about Alec's mental instability (including gossip of his own posted in 2016). We can assume that he wasn't very stable. We can probably assume that the relationship wasn't all that easy, either.MID APRIL 2012 This is around the time (2 weeks later) that zoe would of moved back to Winnipeg after staying with Alec, as they supposedly agreed, according to the zoe notes source [zoe notes: paragraph 3] Zoe would by the ticket there, Alec would by her the ticket back. They were supposed to live in an "indie house" with 3 others (unnamed) this was what they agreed pre-zoe's-departure. She would claim to stay for a full month There's no real mention of the 2 week plan in the PM article. We can conclude that she definitely stayed longer than two weeks. What's debatable here is: was that the original plan? Was the "two week" plan a lie? END OF APRIL/ MAY START 2012 This is probably around where Zoe claims to have come back (one month later) using air miles provided to her by a friend, since Alec refused to buy her a flight back as they previously agreed. She claims to have flown back with no mention of other travels. As if escaping. The PM article has screencaps of a tweet dated May 2nd, that details a going to a Winnipeg meet up, then going to Montreal and Toronto (she heads to Toronto on the 4th) By Zoe's tweet, we can conclude that she did travel back to Toronto around a month later. She PROBABLY didn't use a friend's air miles to escape Winnipeg, as she obviously travelled to Montreal as well. MAY 10th 2012 - Is the last known tweet between Alec and Zoe, as detailed in the PM article I can't conclude much here, apart from they stopped communicating. Could be because of the "amiable break up email" Zoe claimed to have sent after arriving back in Toronto POST MAY 10th 2012 In the zoe notes, she claims that here Alec "banned her from an indie gaming community he ran, banned himself, asked other industry leaders to help him commit suicide" None of this is detailed in the PM Article. But it does mention Alec's mental instability, and other people agreeing that he was suicidal. We can conclude that Alec is capable of lashing out like this given a history of instability.
We can perhaps conclude that the "community" in question is the indie meetup they arranged together called Windiepeg.GAMERGATE START (earliest account, August 2014 ish, but we don't know what Zoe regards as the start of GG) Zoe claims that multiple people came forward with claims of Alec's abusive behaviour. No mention of this in PM. We can conclude here that, using evidence of Alec's instability, that perhaps some people did contact Zoe about his behaviour. The 3 unnamed friends or one of the ~38 devs attending Windiepeg would be viable candidates August 28th 2019 (now) Zoe's statement about Alec's alleged abuse. Multiple people back her up in variable degrees, such as Laurie Pennie, and the other devs of Night in the Woods, to a very small degree Alec's sister also During this phase, Zoe deletes her twitter account only to reactivate it days later as "protected", someone archives lots of tweets and feeds them to PM, as part of the article. The article mentions that many tweets around the period specified in this timeline was DELETED, but managed to get screencapped in a video, sent to PM as part of the article. Alec commits suicide some time after. The vast majority of games news outlets just mention "died"; being unusually respectful. Zoe goes into twitter damage control, deleting tweets from the period with Alec, but she's too slow. The two other devs also delete their accounts, perhaps for the same reason. Though now their accounts are back online [1] [2]
CONCLUDING...
Given the timeline above: I think Quinn moved to Winnipeg to be with Alec and work on Not OK Cupid. I dont think they planned on it just being a 2 week period. I think they had a rough relationship while there, due to Zoe being a megalomaniac and Alec being quite unstable. I think Zoe's claims are inflated, as she is a serial liar. But I don't think it was a very nice relationship. I think Zoe scrounging air miles from a friend to escape is a lie, she returned as part of broader travel. Not OK Cupid was not finished, probably due to Zoe's breaking up with Alec due to email, which he did not take well (as expected). Why did Zoe inflate her claims? Apart from the usual filter of exaggeration and lies that comes with her, I don't think there was a profit motivation. It was more than likely because she wanted to be a part of a bigger, more dramatic narrative of her time in Winnipeg. I think she has a deep issue with trying to see more rough-n-tough than she actually is. I don't think she specifically knew Alec would kill himself and it was a huge shock (as it should be.)
She is actually asshole-to-elbow deep in lies she can't spin quick enough. Like trying to lay down track as she's speeding along.
P.s.
If you're journalist reading this table don't use it, make your own timeline using the same sources plus more, then compared the accounts. This took me a little under an hour... It's your day job. At least until your supervisor has to axe you because the public don't want to read about opinions from 30k-a-year-self-loathing-spin-doctor who's never set foot in an actual work-force.
P.s.s
If there are issues with the timeline, feel free to copypasta it with adjustments! If I have missed someone, or a date is wrong etc, then fix it. It's open to investigation.