Barnabot
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Are his parents at least alive? I'm not counting on his sister though because it's better to have no sister than a sister like Alec had.
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Zoe Quinn #meToo / Alec Holowka suicide -- Update: Article questions ZQ's account of events (link in OP)
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Dr. Claus
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That I don't know. I want to assume that it would be "yes" as neither he nor his sister are (or in his case, were) all that old - but they also may be on the sister's side for all we know.
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Doczu
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Looks like he had none... Even his sister threw his dead body under the bus for some brownie points...
And it may not be super hard to believe it: he had a difficult personality with a mild instability and mental problems, all of his dev "friends" are or want to be nose deep in the asses of the likes of Zoe and no one dares to get out of the line in fear of becoming the next outcast.
I find the lack of testosterone distubing - no one has the balls to say "fuck you guys, i'm out of this shit"? Are they really so cucked and brainwashed into submission or do they all have some dirt on one another, like MAD nuclear style?
They ALL have problems, thats why they hold onto that cult for dear life. It's comfort, it's a bottomless hole they try to fill. They don't really think about anyone beside themselves anymore. They don't take a stance of *moral superiority* for anyone but themselves. You can focus. You don't have to look at larger problems. You don't have to think.
It's also why I think none of them actually know what friendship and love truly is. Which is horrifying.
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the Guynecologist
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cormack12
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Fair play then, I have no issue apologising if that's the case. This is just the day and age we live in I guess
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hariseldon
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Perhaps but I'M not defending her. There are no sacred cows when it comes to respecting the truth.
I actually was banned a while ago for making a joke. This person had an avatar of a female face and her cat was in front of her lower face and I said, 'You have a pussy on your mouth' and that was enough for a ban and a snarky moderator rebuke. It was enough for me to go, 'Ok- I'm done with this place...'
It SEEMS people are still insistent on kindness here (yay) but not so uptight about crude jokes? If that's the case, I'm glad to be back.
I'm told the mods back then were horrendous. These days they're pretty spot-on, removing spam, abuse, racism, etc but letting conversation flourish. And that's why I'm here.
Thabass
Member
Oh thank god. There are some sane feminists out there. Gonna follow you on Twitter just for the quote alone. Welcome to NeoGAF.
cormack12
Gold Member
Yeah nice to see them drop by - to tag someone, just @ and then their username immediately afterwards. Wait a few seconds and the context search should bring up a list with partial matches.
Arimer
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AnnaSlatz
, What are you thoughts on the idea that people like her claim that twitter shaming is the proper place for this because they are sure the police don't care? I have no doubt there are issues with the police but I still feel like the proper course of action is to go to the police because either it will get solved or then because it will be bungled and we can see the issues and fix them int he future. Avoiding them allows us the oppurtunity to do neither and also just feels scummy because it calls back to the lynch mob days. It's deciding that justice has failed when you never even tried them so lets do justice our way.
cormack12
Thanks bud!
cormack12
Thanks bud!
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hariseldon
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It's not so unbelievable. Men don't have great support networks generally. Add to that working in an environment of people who are of the same ilk as ZQ, a family in the same mold and you have a recipe for being alone in the world, with nobody to fight your corner, nobody to pick you up when you're down. And that's what leads to suicide.
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hariseldon
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Oh thank god. There are some sane feminists out there. Gonna follow you on Twitter just for the quote alone. Welcome to NeoGAF.
Absolutely - honestly I know feminism used to be about lifting women up rather than dragging men down but I was beginning to wonder if there was any of that side of it left - it seems to exist in the older generation but be entirely missing in the younger one. Not knowing A AnnaSlatz I can't comment which age group she falls into but it's good to hear a voice that is closer to that older style of feminism either way. Thank you for taking time to investigate properly, you may not call yourself a journalist but you're doing what journalists used to do, and that's good enough for me.
I wouldn't wish being "cancelled" on my worst enemy.
Hypereides
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EDIT: Comment withdrawn. Ironic reconsideration. The post was excessive and not thought through.
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Hudo
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Well, if Alec really had some issues himself, it is quite easy to push people away and isolate oneself, even to the point where you lose contact to your family. I am in the same situation, basically. If I die, I'll be found by my landlord because I stopped paying rent, lol.
Anyway, it is actually quite easy to not have a network of people who care, IMHO.
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Halo is Back
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Just like to put out some food for thought. Scott Benson wasn’t even a “friend” worth having if he was willing to throw out that article JUST after he committed suicide really tells a lot about his character. Careful how you choose you friends people.
Barnabot
Member
I wouldn't wish that to anyone either.
But you are here. Still standing. Yo had to had someone special to back you up otherwise it would be so fucking unbelievable to bear with this pain alone until now.
I still think the worst thing a person could have in one's life is to having no one to care about you. Not having virtually anyone to stand for you. This is the ultimate misery. I don't want Alec's situation to become the patient zero of this #MeToo movement.
Halo is Back
Member
This is the age of everyone being connected to everyone but very few In touch with real relationships. Most people are too worried about how many likes and followers they get
Barnabot
Member
So overrated this "connected to everyone" thing. Gladly I'm keeping social media to bare minimum.
I find it stranger that all the circunstances surrounding the suicide have been kept in absolute secrecy. I mean, i´m sure someone like Alec would have left at least a note detailing the reasons for his desition....
Knivess
Neo Member
Sorry if someone already posted this but I’m travelling at the moment and only had time to skim, couldn’t see it mentioned, her Twitter has been back up for awhile though and she posted another text document, having trouble uploading it on current connection but the Twitter is open so you can read it there.
Also some serious white washing of the replies seems to have been taking places, seen dozens of even mildly critical replies being wiped.
Also some serious white washing of the replies seems to have been taking places, seen dozens of even mildly critical replies being wiped.
Guiberu
Member
It's very likely that Alec's friends felt trapped themselves.
If they dared to speak in his defence, or were to be found to be supporting him - they'd likely be tarred with that same brush. #BelieveAllWomen - or else.
Personally, I think this whole situation should give birth to some kind of organisation that supports people who have been accused in the public realm, with no evidence.
One that provides information, security, and general assistance to those that aren't in a position to get that themselves. With a view to then push the accusations into the normal, legal route - allowing the truth of the matter to be explored, and consequences enacted for those that are false.
If they dared to speak in his defence, or were to be found to be supporting him - they'd likely be tarred with that same brush. #BelieveAllWomen - or else.
Personally, I think this whole situation should give birth to some kind of organisation that supports people who have been accused in the public realm, with no evidence.
One that provides information, security, and general assistance to those that aren't in a position to get that themselves. With a view to then push the accusations into the normal, legal route - allowing the truth of the matter to be explored, and consequences enacted for those that are false.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Cat must have stepped on the keyboard.
Now that N4G put that story back, I was hoping that somebody could explain how it works...
Is that 870° on the story headline how much they've spun it? Sorry, I'm a bit new to this.
Shmunter
Member
Wow, this thing has more twists and turns than a Democratic debate
Zoe Quinn's Allegations Against Alec Holowka Called Into Question by New Evidence of Inconsistencies
While many people familiar with Zoe Quinn’s history of duplicity were initially highly skeptical of the allegations, reporter Anna Slatz at The Post Millenial was the first to report on the inconsistencies in an article titled Zoe Quinn’s allegations are falling apart.
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Heh, she says "I refuse to be sorry for naming a broken stair".
Really sums up her stance on the value of other humans. A broken stair to climb over. That's it.
Hope she stays off of social media and sticks to safe spaces and mental wards, but something tells me she'll happily return when there's a whiff of cash in the air.
RokkanStoned
Member
Wow, what a fucking narcissist. Not an inch of retrospection even. Anyone buying that wholesale lacks any sort of critical thinking and perspective.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
'Opportunistic creep'. I couldn't have labelled her better myself.
Knivess
Neo Member
Yeah I was amazed she used the stair analogy again.. how exactly does she intend that to sound? Is this a set phrase that has a different meaning in their world than it sounds to the rest of us. Because to me it just sounds incredibly callous and exploitative to call a troubled ex a “broken stair”.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
NPD's sure do project. This is disgusting, but not unexpected.
Makes me subscribe to the 'laws of attraction'. Look at all the darkness she attracts her way, even down to the name of the DC comic deal.
You can't make this shit up man.
AntiCap
Member
Just for anyone who's unclear with the metaphor: A broken stair refers to something that is clearly dysfunctional, but rather than being fixed, it is just accepted. Like a single broken stair in a staircase.
Here it refers to the idea that Alec was more or less known widely in industry circles as an abuser, but rather than fixing the issue, people made personal adjustments to avoid him while letting him be.
Sounds like mad projection to be honest. I doubt anyone is getting too friendly with Quinn if they can help it, but damned if they call her out.
Clarissa
Banned
I can't believe there are 8.8k likes on that post. Who are all these people believing and supporting her? It's a very scary thought that you can drive a person to death with words and yet have an army of people behind you.
And I bet a lot of these people are giving her money on Patreon to do god knows what.
And now I read that DC is asking her to write a comic. I'm so mad really!!!!
What world are we living in that when one drives a person to death with words, you get more supporters (emotionally and financially) AND you get a dream job of actually writing for DC Comics.
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Guiberu
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OutrageousFacts
Banned
Just read her new tweet. I've never felt so grossed out about someone on twitter before. How someone can be this inhumane. It's all about her, her, her and her. Thst sentence with the 'broken stairs'. wow ...
ExpandKong
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Knivess
Neo Member
Yeah it is worrying. What’s more worrying was the amount of dissenting tweets being wiped out and the instantaneous outpouring of support. You can’t tell so much now but for the next hour or so after she reactivated it was a complete whitewash.
She may have missed her calling in PR, probably an industry she’d have had actual talent in, unlike games and comics.
MagnesG
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Nope, he's woke AF from the start.
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DeepEnigma
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Cravis
Member
You want to be like dude she ain’t gonna fuck you. Even if she did guys that do have a habit of bad things happening to them or ending up dead lol.
Shmunter
Member
What. Did he just say she has his dick. When a guy refers to his sword, he means dick right. Or am I out of touch on this one?
Barnabot
Member
Look all these people which Zoe will block.
EDIT: (Don't worry I got your back, Quinn) /s
Let me help you.
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Thing on a Spring
Member
Ever the victim. Poor Chelsea, I can't imagine how hard this whole situation has been for her. If people hadn't stopped paying attention to her, I doubt she would have felt the need to publicly name someone over an incident that, by her own admission, had been talked through and forgiven with the accused. She had no other reason to the name the individual other than malice. She saw another woman get twitter attention and she had to get back in the minds of the public and get her slice again. Hopefully she's pleased with her actions.
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