Suicide bomb instructor kills 22 pupils he was teaching

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SquiddyCracker said:
Which from their point of view could be interpreted as yet another, lingering touch of American Imperialism.
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You are literally talking out of your ass. This is about something that runs deeper than any war from the last decade, but has been going on for centuries to millenia even. This is also a fight that is going one between many countries.

Iraq was a country ruled by a Sunni minority, which is now marginalized and ruled by a Shiite majority, who finally are able to rule. The first thing the people of Iraq did after Saddam was remove every single one of his Sunni politicians, judges, rulers. Now the Sunni are feeling resentful. And many have resorted to such tactics to strike back. Same goes for the Kurds who finally believe they have a chance at statehood or self autonomy. I get a lot of you guys from Europe hate the US but seriously get some perspective. Go further back, and you can blame almost all current conflicts and war on the Europeans. Should India blame the UK for the Mumbai attacks and the fact Pakistan has been resentful over land? Would there even be an India or Pakistan if the UK had never come?

It's easy to say everything going on is because of the US, before the US, it was the Soviet Union, before them it was the British and the French in Middle East affairs.

This issue is precisely the reason Iran and Saudi Arabia are at odds. The Kingdom of Saud is Sunni, and Iran is Shia. As for this thread, it's a bit much asking people to feel sorry for a bunch of individuals who were being trained to murder ten times that number with bombs. At which point is personal responsibility removed from an equation? Millions of children raised in the same atmosphere, in the same region don't resort to becoming suicide bombers. Want to blame anyone, blame the teacher, and don't give us shit for not crying crocodile tears.
 
Oh well at least they didnt hurt any innocent .. but wow all 22 can you imagine how loud the explosion must have been? My ears are ringing just thinking about it :O
 
bonesmccoy said:
Dudes who haven't cashed in the V-Card, aka dudes who sign up to blow themselves up in the name of dar-al-dark-ages.
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yeah, I get that, but it still seems like a cruel prank by whomever came up with the concept. I realize purity was a much bigger thing before the invention of contraceptives, paternity tests, or treatments for STDs, but the whole thought of getting into heaven only to have to go through "de-virginizing" 72 girls, just seems cruel as hell.

You can count on one hand the number of virgins I've been with, and that was more than enough to make sure I never want to have to go through it again.

hipbabboom said:
With flying colons.
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holy shit!
 
I'm actually surprised this doesn't happen more often. Owh well, let's just be glad hundreds, possibly thousands, of innocent lives were saved in the explosion.
 
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I can't really feel happiness at the death of people, but this is the kind of situation where these deaths prevented the loss of innocent lives.
So I'd say it's ok to at least be relieved they died.
 
LostCaress said:
I can't really feel happiness at the death of people, but this is the kind of situation where these deaths prevented the loss of innocent lives.
So I'd say it's ok to at least be relieved they died.
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I wonder if they will become martyr ? Will they get their dozen of virgins ?
 
zoukka said:
Yay mindwashed people got blown up, what a laugh riot!
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This was the best realistic outcome imaginable. No one would have ever been able to reach and reinstitutionalize these men and they would have died and probably taken many people with them. There's no reason not to be happy about this.
 
The real debate is if they're still having the 72 virgins for good will.

By the way, what if you're gay male or a straight woman ? Reward is taking in count sexual orientation ?
 
zoukka said:
Yay mindwashed people got blown up, what a laugh riot!
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Yay, I'm going to come in here and post on a soapbox of moral superiority and just say they were mindwashed and absolve them of all blame, even though I never and will never know them. But I'm going to ignore the fact they were training and taking lessons on how to commit terrorism and had they not died, could have likely killed dozens to hundreds of innocent people.

Most suicide bombers know what they're doing, they're of sound mind and body, they usually plan their attacks and know that what they are doing will result in the deaths of themselves and others. It doesn't matter what they're taught about it being right or wrong, or whether God wills it. It's why only a few become suicide bombers and not every single person in the country. Many people reject what they're taught, many accept it. Where does personal responsibility and culpability end?

Yes some are cracking jokes, this is a discussion forum where gifs and funny first posts always tend to get a laugh, but surely you can see why many are happy that potential mass killers pre emptively died before they could kill others.

Edit: you can also apply the "mindwashed" label on practically anyone since it only means a person was taught a certain thing and raised to believe in it and believe it's right. Human society is all "learned". Are the kids anymore mindwashed than the trainers?
 
Madness said:
Yay, I'm going to come in here and post on a soapbox of moral superiority and just say they were mindwashed and absolve them of all blame, even though I never and will never know them. But I'm going to ignore the fact they were training and taking lessons on how to commit terrorism and had they not died, could have likely killed dozens to hundreds of innocent people.

Most suicide bombers know what they're doing, they're of sound mind and body, they usually plan their attacks and know that what they are doing will result in the deaths of themselves and others. It doesn't matter what they're taught about it being right or wrong, or whether God wills it. It's why only a few become suicide bombers and not every single person in the country. Many people reject what they're taught, many accept it. Where does personal responsibility and culpability end?

Yes some are cracking jokes, this is a discussion forum where gifs and funny first posts always tend to get a laugh, but surely you can see why many are happy that potential mass killers pre emptively died before they could kill others.

Edit: you can also apply the "mindwashed" label on practically anyone since it only means a person was taught a certain thing and raised to believe in it and believe it's right. Human society is all "learned". Are the kids anymore mindwashed than the trainers?
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There is also the female suicide bomber who gets gangraped, drugged up then further shamed in some public form, and convinced that the only way to regain her honor is to kill Allah's enemies... And the kids who never had a chance to know any better because they're 13 and in some areas you can be the man of the house at 12.

If it was bombmakers that died, then awesome. If not.... Expect blurry as fuck lines for a few.
 
I'm sure all of you were all thinking about the poor, naive, brainwashed suicide bombers after successful terrorist attacks. I bet that's why the US started the war on terror and all this NSA surveillance. To protect all the suicide bombers from throwing their lives away.
 
DY_nasty said:
There is also the female suicide bomber who gets gangraped, drugged up then further shamed in some public form, and convinced that the only way to regain her honor is to kill Allah's enemies... And the kids who never had a chance to know any better because they're 13 and in some areas you can be the man of the house at 12.

If it was bombmakers that died, then awesome. If not.... Expect blurry as fuck lines for a few.
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Ok. So what would have stopped them? Wouldn't these children, being instructed in becoming a suicide bomber, have inevitably gone on to suicide bomb people? Or have serious intentions to? In this case, even if they were children, if they didn't die then, how many might they have killed? At this point, sadly, they are headed down a path that leads to the death of innocents. They are no longer headed down that path, regardless of their age. That is a good thing.
 
DY_nasty said:
There is also the female suicide bomber who gets gangraped, drugged up then further shamed in some public form, and convinced that the only way to regain her honor is to kill Allah's enemies... And the kids who never had a chance to know any better because they're 13 and in some areas you can be the man of the house at 12.

If it was bombmakers that died, then awesome. If not.... Expect blurry as fuck lines for a few.
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True, but these were militants who joined up fighting for the "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria", a group so disgusting and violent that even Al-Qaeda wants nothing to do with them. What I can't understand is why people are wondering why people are criticizing those who are laughing or happy at this news? If you read the article, the residents of the neighborhood use even worse language to describe the people who died and what they stand for. Again, suicide attacks aren't a new phenomenon, Japan emphasized kamikaze attacks to great effect in World War II. Sure many women and children are coerced into suicide bombing, but you're describing extreme scenarios, and even then, there is very little difference between the suicide bomber, and the actual fighter. Both are taught to kill their enemies, possibly losing their own life in the process. Whether it's an instantaneous bomb or a prolonged gunfight is irrelevant. I don't think anyone is sitting here actually laughing and happy that children are killed, any more than they laughing that children are being used to make bombs in Syria. But I agree with what you're saying. I think the fact we are so far removed from this fight, it gets hard to see things from a different perspective. Then again, maybe that's a good thing, easier to see these people as the potential killers of innocent people, than those brainwashed into fighting an ideological war.
 
Agent AA1 said:
Nathan Muir said:
Please read the Quran before making claims that Islam is a religion of peace. The book calls repeatedly and relentlessly for war with non-believers. It does so with repulsive imagery of chopping off infidel heads, I might add.

You're right that the bombings are political in nature, but "political in nature" is not mutually exclusive with "religious."
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Dang man, you just pulled the same trick Fox News would do. If you are going to claim that the Quran is violent, you should read the whole book. At least understand the context of the part you read. I have a feeling I know what line you actually are quoting, since every news article that talks about bombings has one dude in the comment section who posts that skewed translation and claims that muslims are supposed to be violent.

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Here is the context
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Your assumption that because I have anti religious-extremists views I must have gotten them from some shit news station is completely unfounded. My views on the Quran come from the Quran (which I've studied cover to cover, mind you). You can interpret the significance of the verses as you please, but the statement which you bolded is simply a fact. The Quran explicitly calls for violence with infidels.
 
Madness said:
True, but these were militants who joined up fighting for the "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria", a group so disgusting and violent that even Al-Qaeda wants nothing to do with them.
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer group of folks.
 
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