Lightning Returns Review Thread
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Yeah you guys are mixing chronostasis with OC.
badcrumble
Member
What an ignorant, pride-blinded point of view.
The FF series has been able to survive controversial entries (I won't say "bad" because in the end it's subjective and because I don't want to get into that specific debate with you) in the past precisely because each FF game was a standalone product and if you didn't like one game, the odds were good that the next (wholly different) one would be more your flavor.
FFXIII's controversial reception wouldn't have even been a big deal if Square-Enix hadn't doubled down on it as hard as they did. This is why I blame Yoichi Wada much more than Toriyama, for what it's worth: FFXII, FFXIII, FFXIV, and FFXV now have all had tremendously troubled development cycles, which is what *forces* Square-Enix to double down and sequelize each new entry instead of giving us a totally fresh experience every couple of years.
But for fuck's sake, please don't ever say that fans are in any way obligated to like any game ever, because that's not at all how it works.
I did play it for a time, but MMO's really aren't my thing. Not to fault XIV, it's just that the genre doesn't really appeal to me. I can see why MMO players would like it though. The art direction was ace, too.
It's just when I think of Final Fantasy, I think of the classic single player games. I did enjoy it more than the XIII abominations though.
Edvardelis
Member
I do want to play it, having beaten both XIII and XIII-2, but based on these reviews I'll wait for the inevitable price drop first.
So is FFXIII being crap and that hasn't stopped you.
Dude, I like XIII, I've been called "a Square Enix apologist" in GAF... you make me feel normal.
... And now I'm taking pity of Perfo. Like Frodo took pity of Gollum.
Now, FFXIV-ARR isn't bad per see, but I grew very tired of the MMORPG genre. It's a massive timesink that I prefer to avoid (and I hate repetable quests and arbitrary locks on content - having to wait a full week in order to do something again? No thanks, I'm not paying monthly for this kind of barriers which is used because of a lack of content). I spent 3 pretty entertaining months in FFXIV-ARR, but I don't exactly want to play it again. Only time will tell if new updates will make the game more interesting in my eyes.
Now, FFXIV-ARR isn't bad per see, but I grew very tired of the MMORPG genre. It's a massive timesink that I prefer to avoid (and I hate repetable quests and arbitrary locks on content - having to wait a full week in order to do something again? No thanks, I'm not paying monthly for this kind of barriers which is used because of a lack of content). I spent 3 pretty entertaining months in FFXIV-ARR, but I don't exactly want to play it again. Only time will tell if new updates will make the game more interesting in my eyes.
Glass Rebel
Member
"Final Fantasy fans destroy brand out of spite"
It's time to lay off the crazy pills. Square-Enix has been trying to shove down garbage down their fanbase's throat for years now and finally they puked back.
This is just getting fucking hilarious now.
The more you write the more I'm thinking the same. But I think you're confused about which ones are killing it.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Hope is sort of a dumbass. There is a bit early on where a girl is stabbed, right? Well, cue the close up of the dagger in her back, pinning a note to her corpse. Hope helpfully chimes in with "This was no accident!"
Corronchilejano
Member
Everyone agrees the battle system in every iteration of FFXIII is awesome. The problem is everything that happens outside of it.
MapleMerchant
Neo Member
^That's so disturbingly accurate
UtterlyPerplexed
Member
Not the way you would ideally end a generation of Final Fantasy.
FFVI
FFIX
FFXII
...LR:FFXIII
It's not much of a bang as it would seem, but more of a whimper. Like a heavily wounded animal waiting to be put down. It's amazing to consider how different we all imagined it to play out back in the summer of 2006. A generation of unprecedented disappointment, unfulfilled promises and ambitions, comical mismanagement and development hell everywhere, a much-maligned MMO launch, emergency reshuffling of personnel and resources to rectify that mistake at the expense of other projects, years of a generally unwanted trilogy, still no real closer to FFXV and All The Bravest.
Then again, perhaps score-wise, LR being somewhere between mediocre to okay is probably the kindest way to end this godforsaken generation for Square-Enix.
FFVI
FFIX
FFXII
...LR:FFXIII
It's not much of a bang as it would seem, but more of a whimper. Like a heavily wounded animal waiting to be put down. It's amazing to consider how different we all imagined it to play out back in the summer of 2006. A generation of unprecedented disappointment, unfulfilled promises and ambitions, comical mismanagement and development hell everywhere, a much-maligned MMO launch, emergency reshuffling of personnel and resources to rectify that mistake at the expense of other projects, years of a generally unwanted trilogy, still no real closer to FFXV and All The Bravest.
Then again, perhaps score-wise, LR being somewhere between mediocre to okay is probably the kindest way to end this godforsaken generation for Square-Enix.
Glass Rebel
Member
And I think you need to open your eyes and see that the innovative thing about LR was praised by practically everybody.
That is kind of what turned me on to it. I have wanted a more real-time system for awhile now and the demo sold the hell out of me for that reason alone. It's just fun to play, but I'll of course reserve full judgement until I am at least knee-deep into my play through.
Suzushiiro
Banned
That's what you get for playing a DPS class
But yeah, XIV is good for people who like MMOs and fucking great for people who like MMOs and Final Fantasy, but if you like Final Fantasy and not MMOs you're probably gonna have a bad time. It is at the very least proof that Squeenix is still capable of making good games with the name Final Fantasy on them, though.
I think the brand is still strong enough that if XV winds up being a good enough game and generates enough hype it'll sell 5-8 million, the range every FF between VIII and XIII sold in.
I used to be a SE apologist like you but then I took a few mobile game announcements and Drakenguard 3 to the knee.
Diprosalic
Banned
FF hasn't been good for 3 generations now, i hope they somehow find a way to be good again this gen. Well, FFXV already looks incredibly bad. 
that's the most stupid thing I've read in a while... what?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
You know this is not true when you read thinhgs like "bravely default a better final fantasy than final fantasy". A game with mechanics 2 decades old that doesn't do anything new or better than the predecessors. There's only one thing old fans want: that is nostalgy.
theprodigy
Member
FF hasn't been good for 3 generations now, i hope they somehow find a way to be good again this gen. Well, FFXV already looks incredibly bad.
are you serious
you're one of those "FF6 was the last good FF" people aren't you
uh huh
sure
He's going nuclear.
badcrumble
Member
It'll hit $30 incredibly fast, and the assorted preorder bonus Garb will all be available as cheap DLC (if you even want that stuff).
Red Mage
Member
You realize you pretty much described XIII, right? Bad stories, characters, and farming crap to make your ultimate weapons. The only difference being that you don't have to pay a subscription for XIII, but it was never fun to start with. = P
The obvious direction this thread has taken. lol Its pretty sad that it seems to always be destined to be a clash of mindless Perfo defending the game and Kagari attacking it. As always the only thing this "my game is better than yours" argument does is completely prevent real discussion.
If there is something good about the end of the XIII games is that we hopefully won't have these annoying feuds ever again.
Shmuely Bully
Member
I've long considered Final Fantasy to be the Budweiser of JRPGs: good visibility and marketing, great sales, thoroughly mediocre product.
But then again I wasn't around for the NES/SNES Final Fantasy games. I will say FF1 seems far more ambitious for the standards of its time than any of the other entries I've played (not counting Legends and IIRC it wasn't really Final Fantasy).
Diprosalic
Banned
well, it was.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
You are now the runner-up to my personal prize for "Worst Post I've Ever Seen on Gaming GAF".
I can't get my head around how absolutely wrong, disinformed and crazy this statement is.
Huh, that's a weird way of spelling good storywriting and characters with more depth than a kiddy pool. I'll have to remember that.
Glass Rebel
Member
Oh fucking please, read the LR:FFXIII reviews. Most if not everybody recognized how good the battle system was. It's your own fault for being so dense that you can't see that the rest of the game, from the story over the mindless sidequests to the embarrassing garbs, just doesn't make a very compelling game.
Woah, woah, woah - that sounds suspiciously like hater talk. You ain't a hater, are ya?
The obvious direction this thread has taken. lol Its pretty sad that it seems to always be destined to be a clash of mindless Perfo defending the game and Kagari attacking it. As always the only thing this "my game is better than yours" argument does is completely prevent real discussion.
If there is something good about the end of the XIII games is that we hopefully won't have these annoying feuds ever again.
I'm cool with the XIII games ending, just give me more Lightning. KH3 here we come~
UtterlyPerplexed
Member
If nostalgia is such a big boogeyman for Perfo that it supposedly repels most of the fanbase from modern Final Fantasy with an inclination for innovation and change, we may as well pack up shop then because only a few loyalists can possibly look forward to FFXV.
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
demosthenes
Member
Not touching this with a 50 foot pole.
OniBarubary
Banned
Hrm. So, fantastic combat, absolutely atrocious everything else?
Considering I played FFX-2 about 6 times (fuckin fuck you Mascot dress-sphere, these Iron Dukes will help me breeze through you) I shouldn't have too much difficulty enjoying this.
Considering I played FFX-2 about 6 times (fuckin fuck you Mascot dress-sphere, these Iron Dukes will help me breeze through you) I shouldn't have too much difficulty enjoying this.
Lé Blade Runner
Member
FF hasn't been good for 3 generations now, i hope they somehow find a way to be good again this gen. Well, FFXV already looks incredibly bad.
How so? I think that it looks pretty amazing, albeit they haven't shown much outside of gorgeous visuals.
Your not alone.
I'd like to know this too
badcrumble
Member
The obvious direction this thread has taken. lol Its pretty sad that it seems to always be destined to be a clash of mindless Perfo defending the game and Kagari attacking it. As always the only thing this "my game is better than yours" argument does is completely prevent real discussion.
If there is something good about the end of the XIII games is that we hopefully won't have these annoying feuds ever again.
Eh, I doubt it. These feuds greatly predate FFXIII. It's just that because we've *only* gotten FFXIII games between 2007 and 2014 (outside of FFXIV and FFXI expansions, which are MMOs), the argument's been the same for a looooong time. There have been vocal advocates and critics of every FF game ever as long as there's been a lot of Internet access.
demosthenes
Member
FF hasn't been good for 3 generations now, i hope they somehow find a way to be good again this gen. Well, FFXV already looks incredibly bad.
If you really think that how could you have any hope that it would ever be good again? Are you a masochist?
Eh, I don't know. The fanbase has never been this divided.
Glass Rebel
Member
Don't worry, most likely they'll find a way to shoehorn her into FFXV as well.