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[plagiarize]

I doubt and yeah, of course they are. They are already selling PS4 at a loss right now, but it's profitable with a game or 12 month PS+ subscription so it's cool, I don't think they want to take a bigger loss than that. Sales are important but you have to make money too, something which is not happening at 350.

the PS4 doesn't need to be cheaper. it's selling out still at $400. I'm sure supply will be pretty good by summer (though given Japan launches soon it could still be spotty until then). it's the better system. it still wins at the same price.

unless Titanfall turns things around substantially, MS will need to aim to be *cheaper* than the PS4 if they want to sell well and to be the favored platform for multiplatform titles at this point and people who own both systems will be giving Sony more money.

 

[Biker19]

Needs to be lower.

If people see PS4 as more powerful, they're not going to spend the same amount on the weaker system (if they only get 1).

It's already spreading around throughout social media.

Console is really coming off as a soulless product, which is the exact opposite of what the 360 was.

This. It's just a very unappealing system all around compared to the Xbox 360.

 

[SgtCobra]

This is not true, they've been making money for sometime now. But the lost alot during initial Xbox /360 days

I'm not very educated on this subject but I guess the R&D for the X1 and the marketing + game/service development and moneyhats cost them a lot no?

 

[xxracerxx]

I doubt and yeah, of course they are. They are already selling PS4 at a loss right now, but it's profitable with a game or 12 month PS+ subscription so it's cool, I don't think they want to take a bigger loss than that. Sales are important but you have to make money too, something which is not happening at 350.

I thought reports were that Sony are NOT taking a loss on the PS4.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

So once again US = The World?

So once again no. But imo USA is the most important of all the territories. Actually, North America. My Mexican and Canadian brothers are a huge part of the territory as well. So ya... You can quote me as saying that I think NA is the biggest and most important of all the territories to win. That's why Sony went after NA first. And they're kicking some ass in sales.

ha ha... oh Gorilla.

Why is it so hard to understand they could put a mic in the console itself?

Why is it so hard to understand? This is the first I've seen anyone say to put a microphone in a console. LOL... jesus... sorry brah. I've never heard of such a thing. If that's what they're going to do.. then ya.. go for it. What's the problem with that?

 

[Bgamer90]

I also hope they don't drop it. Regardless of what anyone may think of Kinect, a price drop to $400 leads to an exclusives and power comparison; the first is a matter of opinion and the latter being a clear victory for Sony. If the Kinect is still there, at least MS can say, "Hey, we might not have the power, but at least we can provide you with something unique." I think that could be a strong argument.

If we're talking a Kinect-less model for $400... Well, it's not exactly compelling. I think I'd probably have to wait for $300.

Unique features and games is what Sony brought up during the previous gens (PS1-3) to help with the power/multiplat difference. MS needs to do the same.

This is the first time they have been in this spot though so it's a bit understandable if they need a bit more time to learn/do this.

 

[Neuromancer]

That'd be smart unless MS really wants to keep getting killed in sales. It's not enough for me though, there's no gotta have game yet. Maybe when the new Crackdown or Forza Horizon come out.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Sony's console is afaik cheaper than MS, and they should be the time such a price drop is on the table have an even cheaper console manufacture costs-wise.

I doubt they will drop if MS does. They are trying to make money,also they will do fine since they have the WW advantage.

 

[Dega]

I didn't believe MS would drop Kinect. We'll see what happens. If they do then I have to give MS props for responding so fast especially compared to Nintendo now and Sony back with the PS3.

 

[Dan]

The Xbox One has changed it's identity almost every month since the initial reveal.

Hah, well... true. We shall see. It's not inconceivable to me that Microsoft gets desperate/aggressive enough to ditch Kinect, but I think it's a pretty fundamental part of the Xbox One, for better or worse. I think that's a big move.

 

[Sydle]

Hah, well... true. We shall see. It's not inconceivable to me that Microsoft gets desperate/aggressive enough to ditch Kinect, but I think it's a pretty fundamental part of the Xbox One, for better or worse. I think that's a big move.

They allow you to unplug it after the initial setup and never use it again. Is it really that fundamental?

 

[Lynn616]

I wonder if Sony would react. If MS cuts to $399, and Sony goes to $350, they'll be back to square one.

No, they dont need to outsell the PS4. A price cut would just help move more units than they are now.

 

[Southside Jim]

Yeah, how is that app? I haven't heard a thing about it.

It's actually pretty ingenious. What's the most challenging part about working out? Sticking with it. And accountability is the best way to keep you going. That's where Fitness excels: it gives you scores, tells you what you need to do improve, and uses meters and funky muscle-reading Kinect magic to ensures you're not half-assing your workouts .

Not sure why the crackerjack Xbox marketing crew doesn't crow about this more. Then again, I don't know why the Xbox marketing crew does anything that they do.

 

[Toki767]

Hah, well... true. We shall see. It's not inconceivable to me that Microsoft gets desperate/aggressive enough to ditch Kinect, but I think it's a pretty fundamental part of the Xbox One, for better or worse. I think that's a big move.

If I remember correctly, Mattrick was the main person who wanted Kinect. Since he's no longer there, I don't really think any of the higher ups are pushing for it.

 

[Syphon Filter]

I didn't believe MS would drop Kinect. We'll see what happens. If they do then I have to give MS props for responding so fast especially compared to Nintendo now and Sony back with the PS3.

cboat sad they will drop kinect. Maybe two skus ,one with and one without?

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

Sony destroyed themselves.

Of course they did. Just like MS has done to themselves at E3 and before.

 

[ironcreed]

They are going to be forced to drop the price. People are just not going to keep biting on that $500 price tag and the numbers are showing that. I'm getting close to getting one myself, but all this talk kind of makes me want to wait it out.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Where is the counterpoint? Outside Titanfall I'm not seeing it. I have no doubt Sony will beat them in this category in time as well.

Investing in compelling core software at $399 is easier than investing in compelling Kinect software at $499. Since motion gaming is dead and all. Also easier to market. Dead Rising, Forza, and Ryse didn't have any trouble selling despite their graphical hiccups. CoD Xbox isn't having any trouble selling. BF4 isn't having trouble selling.

If MS creates compelling Kinect content, interested consumers will pay the extra $100. Putting the cart before the horse was a terrible mistake, and thankfully they made it optional before launch so they could fix that mistake. The Xbox One has been a pretty striking example of execs thinking they're smarter than everyone in the room (only surpassed IMO by the Cleveland Cavaliers' recently fired GM), it's amazing how much MS believed that they were fighting a marketing war, not a technology/software war.

 

[chrislowe]

funny thing is that Sony could probably go $349 then and still be faster and cheaper.

 

[Portugeezer]

One day CBOAT will type in his weird cryptic way at work and get caught.

 

[Dabanton]

Dropping Kinect would be a huge mistake imo. You may as hand the winners ribbon to Sony if MS do that. That would also mean a completely reworked dashboard if that was the case. As a lot of voice controls don't have controller variants.

You keep the things your competitor can't easily copy. I hope MS has a ton of Kinect software on the way that shows why it's worth keeping. Kinect Sports is near but they need more.

 

[TrueCoins]

Not if they include a game, too.

By May PS4 will have given up to 8 free games not including the F2P games such as Planetside, Warframe, and War Thunder.

 

[Rex_Harrison]

I wonder if Sony would react. If MS cuts to $399, and Sony goes to $350, they'll be back to square one.

Sony can't keep PS4's on the shelves at $400. When demand trumps supply you don't lower your prices. Come on dude, this is some basic shit here.

As long as demand is sky high, Sony doesn't give a damn what MS does, an has no reason at all to lower the price of the PS4.

 

[plagiarize]

All I know is I'm not even considering getting an X1 until the price is well under $300. I stopped using 360 once most of the stuff I was interested in stopped being exclusive to 360, and I don't really feel like doing the multi-platform thing any more.

as a PS4 owner, the Xbox One has to get by entirely on exclusives. there are far from enough exclusives I care about (I will likely be buying Titanfall on PC) to spend $400 dollars on the system, let along $500. I was interested in Dead Rising 3 until I saw what a technical mess it was (sue me, I'm done playing 720p or less games with sub 30 frame rates... and yes, I skipped GTA5 and The Last of Us for the same exact reason so no, it isn't anything to do with fanboyism).

Alan Wake 2 would have done it, but Quantum Break I'm going to need to see a lot more of.

 

[Curufinwe]

This. It's just a very unappealing system all around compared to the Xbox 360.

Turns out launching 12-18 months earlier and costing $200 less than the PS4 was a big factor in the success of the 360.

 

[Steverulez]

cboat sad they will drop kinect. Maybe two skus ,one with and one without?

If they're going to do that, then they need to make the Kinect sku attractive to keep attachment rate up. Leave the Kinectless one as a base (core/tard pack if you like) and add Kinect Sports Rivals + download game or something with the Kinect pack. If its happening summertime, KSR will probably have blown most of its load by then anyway

 

[Graphics Horse]

funny thing is that Sony could probably go $349 then and still be faster and cheaper.

A $399 camera bundle..

 

[Biker19]

Turns out launching 12-18 months earlier and costing $200 less than the PS4 was a big factor in the success of the 360.

It sure was.

This is what happens when you think you're the King of the world being tied in sales with the PS3 worldwide. At least Sony got some reasons being arrogant after the PS2 era.

Unbe-fucking-lievable.

Really? MS and the 360 thought they were King of the World? You don't think that MS had any reason to be arrogant smacking down the PS3 in the USA? That's pretty impressive what they did here... taking down the King like that.

Funny part is, they only got successful last gen with Xbox 360 because of Sony's constant foul-ups with the PS3 (Robbie Bach even admits that). At first, no one was paying attention to Microsoft & Xbox 360, but towards PS3 instead because it had all the hype (especially after coming off of the huge successes of the PS1 & the PS2) until the $599 price tag.

Even with all the advantages that 360 had, PS3 still caught up to them in worldwide sales altogether, even with a 16+ million or a 17+ million lead over PS3 in the U.S.

 

[plagiarize]

Dropping Kinect would be a huge mistake imo. You may as hand the winners ribbon to Sony if MS do that. That would also mean a completely reworked dashboard if that was the case. As a lot of voice controls don't have controller variants.

You keep the things your competitor can't easily copy. I hope MS has a ton of Kinect software on the way that shows why it's worth keeping. Kinect Sports is near but they need more.

do you know what was a bigger mistake? forgetting to have any major games that needed it in the launch window. replace it with a cheap mic that sits on top of your TV instead. problem solved.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Dropping Kinect would be a huge mistake imo. You may as hand the winners ribbon to Sony if MS do that. That would also mean a completely reworked dashboard if that was the case. As a lot of voice controls don't have controller variants.

You keep the things your competitor can't easily copy.

Not if those things have absolutely zero value to the people interested in your product. How's that working out for Nintendo?

Also, this is not a zero sum game. Offering an SKU without Kinect does not destroy the millions of Kinects already in homes, it doesn't stop them from keeping the $499 SKU on shelves, it doesn't stop them from selling it separately. MS juggled multiple SKUs (and multiple dashboards) for eight years, I find it absurd that there are actual arguments that a one SKU/one dash strategy is smarter.

If they're going to do that, then they need to make the Kinect sku attractive to keep attachment rate up. Leave the Kinectless one as a base (core/tard pack if you like) and add Kinect Sports Rivals + download game or something with the Kinect pack. If its happening summertime, KSR will probably have blown most of its load by then anyway

If MS doesn't have any compelling Kinect software after the first year other than Kinect sports, it was a mistake to build the fucking thing, let alone bundle it.

 

[Chobel]

Why is it so hard to understand? This is the first I've seen anyone say to put a microphone in a console. LOL... jesus... sorry brah. I've never heard of such a thing. If that's what they're going to do.. then ya.. go for it. What's the problem with that?

It's easy actually, [MS] just put the microphone(s) of Kinect in the console.

 

[TrueCoins]

It's easy actually, just put the microphone(s) of Kinect in the console.

or in the controller.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

It's easy actually, just put the microphone(s) of Kinect in the console.

Well then do it. I have no problem with that.

 

[Chobel]

Well then do it. I have no problem with that.

I edited my comment, I meant MS can do it easily and remove kinect.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

IThis. It's just a very unappealing system all around compared to the Xbox 360.

Have to agree here. The XB1 has some neat features and it has some appealing games but the package as a whole just doesn't do it for me. I think the guy you quoted said it best, it just feels kind of soulless. Meh.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

They have to do something. Drop Kinect, eat the price difference, whatever. They are simply going to get hammered while PS4 has a price advantage. $100 might as well be $1000. Dollar 1 is all it takes to shift eyes to the other GTA, Call of Duty, Madden box.

Xbox One is in serious trouble of a severe regression this cycle.

 

[chogidogs]

Good! Now go back and hide cboat!

 

[Syphon Filter]

Dropping Kinect would be a huge mistake imo. You may as hand the winners ribbon to Sony if MS do that. That would also mean a completely reworked dashboard if that was the case. As a lot of voice controls don't have controller variants.

You keep the things your competitor can't easily copy. I hope MS has a ton of Kinect software on the way that shows why it's worth keeping. Kinect Sports is near but they need more.

Not a mistake at all. Sony was going to win regardless since they were always stronger world wide. They should rework the dash, how do you release a console with a dash that doesn't work well with a controller? You realize sony also had a camera with voice controls right? So what do you mean cant copy?

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

Funny part is, they only got successful last gen with Xbox 360 because of Sony's constant foul-ups with the PS3

Well.. and now MS has fouled up. So they're eating it. I mean jesus... seriously I post before... are we supposed to jump ship? The games I've played so far have been impressive and I expect it to get better. I know it will. I've played TitanFall! Most all of my 360 friends.. real life friends and online friends had both a PS3 and 360.. but played the 360 more. Are we supposed to give up on our console that we've invested in Live in, and friends who have no problem with what the X1 is right now? PS3 fans didn't jump ship... Xbox fans won't either. They're consoles that both have some great games. Cool.. this gen the PS4 is the one to buy for the 3rd party being better... just a few months ago before the new gen started the 360 was the one to buy 3rd party games on. But PS3 people still enjoyed their inferior 3rd party games... Just like us X1 owners will.

Was the fun factor taken out of your PS3 3rd party games when you played them? Of course not. It's going to be ok. I like that my X1 controls everything in my game room/TV room. Love it. I have a 3 year old and a 1 year old and have to put shit in front of my TV so the one year old doesn't FSU. My controller doesn't register because of the stuff blocking it. But my voice rec does. Anyhoo...

 

[Synless]

Investing in compelling core software at $399 is easier than investing in compelling Kinect software at $499. Since motion gaming is dead and all. Also easier to market. Dead Rising, Forza, and Ryse didn't have any trouble selling despite their graphical hiccups. CoD Xbox isn't having any trouble selling. BF4 isn't having trouble selling.

If MS creates compelling Kinect content, interested consumers will play the extra $100. Putting the cart before the horse was a terrible mistake, and thankfully they made it optional before launch so they could fix that mistake. The Xbox One has been a pretty striking example of execs thinking they're smarter than everyone in the room (only surpassed IMO by the Cleveland Cavaliers' recently fired GM), it's amazing how much MS believed that they were fighting a marketing war, not a technology/software war.

Nobody is saying the software isn't selling. What I am saying is at $400 with the only redeeming difference being Kinect taken away, they have no advantage at that price point. If they can get some great exclusives better than what the competition has, sure. That isn't likely though over the long term.

 

[Nutter]

The third console curse does exist and its called arrogance.

 

[benny_a]

or in the controller.

Controller would be bad because it runs on battery and it would have to always listen.

To say that voice commands is the justification for a stereo time of flight $80 build cost device with a microphone array is so retarded, I can't believe it's still being made.

 

[Garland7G]

They did it with the digital, "always online" plan. To me I wouldn't sense this as defeat. I would see it as actually listening to their customers, which is quite admirable.

I can't believe you think that. They aren't listening to their customers since we've been saying to drop the thing since it was announced. They are doing this (if they do) imo because the sales numbers came in and the PS4 is outselling them 2-1.
Investors already want the xbox division scrapped, so I think they will make some changes to the xbone to make it sell better.
I was straight up 360 all last gen and was intending to buy the xbone...until they actually showed the thing and it wasn't what I was looking for in a gaming console. So I bought a PS4. But after all the 180s that MS did, I'm almost on-board again. The last and main thing that was and still is holding me back is the Kinect. I don't want it and I'm not gonna pay for it. So if they do ditch it, I'll pick one up more than likely.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

I edited my comment, I meant MS can do it easily and remove kinect.

No worries Chobel. I

 

[Alchemy]

Sony can't keep PS4's on the shelves at $400. When demand trumps supply you don't lower your prices. Come on dude, this is some basic shit here.

As long as demand is sky high, Sony doesn't give a damn what MS does, an has no reason at all to lower the price of the PS4.

This isn't very likely to continue though, at some point this year the PS4 will stop being supply constrained. Once that happens, maintaining the price advantage is going to help Sony maintain their hardware lead.

 

[Seance]

CBOAT strike rate is 50/50, even then his info is vague or obvious. It's become pretty damn apparent his sources are shit/outdated.
People put far too much stock into what the dude says.

 

[Jeels]

I feel like a $400 One could really change the game in the US. Elsewhere, I doubt it. But Sony needs to have a plan.

 

[benny_a]

This isn't very likely to continue though, at some point this year the PS4 will stop being supply constrained. Once that happens, maintaining the price advantage is going to help Sony maintain their hardware lead.

Who knows how the situation looks by then. Maybe they have a 1.5:1 lead by then. Network effect should kick in at that point to not let it drop even at close to price parity.

CBOAT strike rate is 50/50, even then his info is vague or obvious. It's become pretty damn apparent his sources are shit/outdated.
People put far too much stock into what the dude says.

Oh you have a track record of all the prediction CBOAT has made with an accompanying hit and fail overview? Please do share.

 

[Skiptastic]

If they drop the price and throw in a game, they should at least comp those who had their XBO during the launch window. Throw them whatever free game they are including or credit towards the MS Store. Speaking as someone who likes the XBO and owns one and has since launch, I'd be pretty pissed for such a turnaround within the first year without compensation. I know, the risk of buying at launch, but still...

 

[mekes]

I just see zero point in investing in the Xbox One. I'm not necessarily who they are marketing to, I don't like army games for example and sometimes it feels like the Microsoft console is primarily a shooter box, but at this rate it will be the first major games console since the early 90's that I haven't owned.

The messages coming out of Microsoft around the reveal and E3 play a huge part in my thinking. I despised a lot of what I heard from them around that time and I'm voting with my wallet. The cash goes elsewhere.