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Titanfall Season Pass Confirmed
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Saint Titanfall
Yup, I remember being so hyped for that game such a disappointment.
I won't say the industry as evolved as a whole for the worse though. The fact I can hundreds of hours of great content while playing games like Dota 2 without paying a cent means things aren't all bad, you just have to alter you expectations.
Games were simpler & way less expensive to develop back then, in many ways. Supporting them with new content didn't require big teams like it does nowadays (one person could use a relatively simple map editor to create some new maps, in comparison to a big team needing to design, model & create all the shit that goes into a single level in Titanfall), they didn't have to keep up servers with tens or hundreds of thousands of people playing simultaneously, nor was creating a big new IP like Titanfall such a big risk or effort, so more games need something to help cover those costs and make creating new IPs worth it. Big publishers can't just constantly develop big new one-off IPs nowadays, but need to be able to make it worth their time and DLC (& sequels) is one way to help make the effort worth it.
In what universe? Developing content with the kind of detail & scope that Titanfall has is expensive and game sales are hugely frontloaded. It's better that they sell it cheaper 4-5+ months from now to keep bringing new people to play the multiplayer.
In relation with season passes, you don't know what you're going to get with a season pass. Yeah, there will be a general description, but nothing is concrete nor can you opt out if some of the maps are shitty.
You can do research on those PS1 games, with season passes its hard to get valuable data usually.
DagnastyEp
Member
Gameinformer's write up of the story includes some pretty good analysis of the situation and DLC/season passes in general. Its worth a read (on mobile, otherwise I'd post some quotes).
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...post-launch-support-includes-season-pass.aspx
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...post-launch-support-includes-season-pass.aspx
Really no one should ever buy a season pass until at least the first piece of content is out. Then you can make a decision based on whether you're still playing the game and what is included in that first pack to either just buy that or take a, now somewhat lower, risk on buying the season pass.
While I agree with that, a lot of people do want a season pass. As demonstrated by that other thread where they said there wouldn't be a season pass. People are apparently more than willing to take the risk and pay up front. Why should Respawn/EA ignore those people?
Season passes by the likes of Respawn are still a way safer bet than, Early Access and Kick Starter in many cases.
I personally do dislike Season passes, since imo Devs shouldn't lock themselves in to a certain game.
If there's any question whether or not you want all of the DLC obviously buying the season pass is a bad decision. For some people and some games there's no question they want all of it, so the purchase is great for them because they save money. I have no idea why anyone in the former category would complain about the existence of such a pass. If you aren't sure, don't buy it! If there's a chance you could be disappointed, don't buy it!
Agreed.
I don't think season passes should stop existing, I just think conceptually they can amount to being a really uneven purchase.
I take it Shadow Fall's MP example isn't trending...then again, this is a EA game so...
One of the most lousiest things that ever happened to gaming yet it actually told you what you were going to get.
That Microsoft/EA deal probably costs more then all of that combined.
Or not.
Well, the Respawn developed MW2 did turn out to be one of the most disappointing games in existence and the EA published BF4 started having problems that didn't even occur in the beta, it's probably still better to wait and see.DICE bit off more than they could chew and then EA made them swallow long before they were done chewing.Titanfall on the other hand looked really good in beta and has a much narrower scope. I wouldn't worry about it having any big problems.
You want to know what's ironic?
One of the most lousiest things that ever happened to gaming yet it actually told you what you were going to get.
I've been saying that since season passes were announced as a thing. No point of buying it right away since they don't disappear from the marketplace. I'll be doing that with Titanfall also. I'm sure everything will be good, though.
jakonovski
Member
It totally makes business sense (in isolation, don't know if DLC has helped or hindered the industry as a whole), but as consumers should we really be using the calculus of those who want our money? On the whole people are value conscious, but I cringe at true believers jumping at monetization schemes like puppies (anywhere, not just in gaming).
Are people who want to buy these passes being tricked?
I Was aka RAAM's Shadow.
jakonovski
Member
Of course. The whole point of this is to increase prices and load off risk to the consumer, who really gets nothing in return. Some realize this but still buy them because whatevs (myself included sometimes), but it's still a way of almost doubling the price of a game.
Explain.
Get nothing? So people who purchase a season pass receive no content? This is always the problem with these discussions.
Petrae
Member
I got tricked by the Bioshock Infinite Season Pass. My faith in Irrational kinda blew up in my face. $20 for a horde mode, an okay return to Rapture in Burial at Sea I, and a third DLC package in Burial at Sea II that I'm already not liking thanks to stealth crap.
Once and done with Season Passes. Never again. Fool me once...
Do you consider any purchase of something you end up not liking to be the producer tricking you? Bizarre.
jakonovski
Member
You assume too much, that is your problem.
They get nothing in return for the price increase (DLC has not resulted in beefier games as a whole). For some of the risk they get a slightly smaller price increase, assuming they fully utilize every DLC pack in the season pass (which I would wager is a minority).
Can you quantify any of these claims?
Why not just wait till the first DLC is out and then buy the pass if you're happy with the quality?
Petrae
Member
Considering how little we knew about the content pre-release, along with no updates for months about the status of said content or what it was going to be... then yeah. If is known that the content was going to be like this, I never would have spent the money.
I recognize that I'm also pretty stupid for wasting money on content before it's even clearly announced-- but I foolishly thought that the content would be more like likable than it was.
I was originally responding to a complaint about $60 price for titanfall.
What did I say that contradicts this?
I don't understand where you believe the deception came in here.
That means buying the first DLC at full price and then buying the Season Pass at a reduced price that includes the DLC you just purchased. Silly to buy it twice. If you like the main game enough to put some hours into it, the DLC would be a certain purchase right?
SneakyStephan
Banned
Selling the hide before you shot the bear for both sides in this case
did you buy bf3 or 4 and are you buying titanfall? I bet you did/are
the consumer has let them change and ruined it for everyone else
did you buy natural selection 2? I don't think you did
did you buy bf3 or 4 and are you buying titanfall? I bet you did/are
the consumer has let them change and ruined it for everyone else
jakonovski
Member
Of course not, I'm not privy to industry statistics. Even if I somehow was, I don't care enough to start piling rows in Excel to make a case.
As an aside, you have a really tiresome method of posting. I've said this to you somewhere else too, but things would go much better if you took these things as an invitation to share your own views, instead of starting an interrogation. But any further talk on this is better suited for PMs.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Thank you!
I imagine asking for justification would be tiresome to someone unwilling to provide it.
Or just support those who exceed them.
15 dollars for 3 hours of gameplay. About from 10pm-12am. I didn't even try rushing it and died multiple times at what was such a slog of a final battle. I appreciate them trying to push the Unreal engine to the max but the price was still too high. I calculated the individual costs of the DLC in Gears 3's Season Pass and came to the conclusion that RAAM's Shadow was the only piece of content I would *and be able to) discount from. Combine with the not as stellar content support compared to Gears 2, yeah, you can say I gave up on the concept of season pass since.
jakonovski
Member
I got confused then, my bad. I do agree that $60 alone is no biggie.
Petrae
Member
No information about content in advance. "Give us money and you'll eventually get... stuff." No direction on where this content was going to go pre-release. No updates for months. I don't even know that IG had any idea what the DLC was going to be before money for season passes started rolling in.
The trick was getting me to blindly believe that the content would be worthwhile. It worked, and this fool and his money were prematurely parted.
fabricated backlash
Member
Why anyone would do business with EA is beyond me, but yeah... monetization is the prime design concern with modern AAA games, so this is hardly surprising.
Probably back when people started to like EA again, Apparently struck a deal where they could have their cake and eat it.
EA got Online Passes and Season Passes confused.
I think that may have been the Online Pass and not the Season Pass. Could be utterly wrong!
Jules Coast
Member
Question for those who don't like season passes:
What is your ideal "post-launch content delivery structure" (or PLCDS, if you will) for this game specifically?
As long as your answer isn't "all DLC should be free" I'd love to hear your thoughts.
What is your ideal "post-launch content delivery structure" (or PLCDS, if you will) for this game specifically?
As long as your answer isn't "all DLC should be free" I'd love to hear your thoughts.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Yep.. this will take place of the COD season pass I didn't buy this time.
Woo-Fu
Banned
I think comparisons to the PC FPS market of almost a decade ago miss some vital points: This DLC wouldn't be made at all if the only option was giving it away for free. It wouldn't ship with the game, it would never ship because it would never get made. You have to remember what was driving that business years ago. It was engine licensing. The Epics and ids of the world had a good reason to continue producing free content for their showcase FPS games: keep advertising that engine, keep generating more licensing deals by having the most popular FPS just happen to be on your own engine.
That was then, this is now.
That was then, this is now.
For me I like to get my cost per hour of play of a game to less than £1. If it's a game I like and have enjoyed then I will buy the season pass as a way of saving money on a 'dead cert' I have got my value out of all the season passes I have purchased, sometimes many times over.
Will I buy the titanfall season pass? Possibly, I will play the game, see how much I am getting out of it and then I may get the pass, but as others have said unless there is an added extra for buying early I probably won't tell tell just before the first pack is due.
Do I object to these offerings, not at all, in my mind it's offer and acceptance, they offer me a game, tell me what is in it and I decide if I want to accept. If they told me that some things were in a game but then put them into paid DLC that would be a different matter I would be annoyed with that, however telling me a game is going to have DLC is a good thing in my mind the developers are going to have an interest in supporting the game in the future and there will be reasons for me and others to keep on playing it.
Will I buy the titanfall season pass? Possibly, I will play the game, see how much I am getting out of it and then I may get the pass, but as others have said unless there is an added extra for buying early I probably won't tell tell just before the first pack is due.
Do I object to these offerings, not at all, in my mind it's offer and acceptance, they offer me a game, tell me what is in it and I decide if I want to accept. If they told me that some things were in a game but then put them into paid DLC that would be a different matter I would be annoyed with that, however telling me a game is going to have DLC is a good thing in my mind the developers are going to have an interest in supporting the game in the future and there will be reasons for me and others to keep on playing it.
Same here.
I've never bought one, but this game will probably hold my attention long enough to make it worth it.
I like what Killzone Shadow Fall and a lot of PC games do in that all maps are free so that the userbase isn't split up and little things like new skins, voice packs, taunts etc. are paid dlc.
So you were tricked because...you didn't like it. I cannot relate to this feeling even a little bit. You got 3 pieces of multiplayer focused DLC and three hours of additional content for $30.
So explain this to me. Did you not know there weren't specific details of each piece of future DLC before you bought it? You still have not described deception at all.
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
Member
But that would make sense and we dont allow that here.