daizydoesit
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Right?!? It was hours of flying through buildings with no real story line. Superman is my all time favorite hero and deserves a good new movie. I like to pretend that man of steal never happened
Captain America 3 to square off against Batman/Superman in 2016
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Right?!? It was hours of flying through buildings with no real story line. Superman is my all time favorite hero and deserves a good new movie. I like to pretend that man of steal never happened
MrPink93485
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Considering we're 2 years out, I don't see how point #2 has an effect on why WB would delay the release date. They have a ton of time to get the film out by May 2016. They could start filming in 2015 and still be ok.
Captain America is unlikely to outgross Batman/Superman. Having said that, this is DC's future. Captain America getting hurt by Batman/Superman is not going to be a detriment to Marvel in the long run.
That's what happen when you adapt a story from mediocre comic---Superman: Earth One.
Cap2 must be really good for Marvel to do this, though I was hoping for GOTG2.
Will definitely seeing both.
BadAss2961
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Eh, not really. Marvel's pushing out multiple films a year at this point. None of which have high stakes. They can afford to sacrifice any of their IPs not named Avengers.
lol... I don't understand. After the first movie, how exactly does Captain America 2 have so much goodwill and benefit of the doubt, while Batman/Superman is obviously going to be a disgrace that's gonna get walloped? Is Man of Steel not as good as Captain America now?
What do you mean by "high stakes"?
Cap 1, Avengers and early word of mouth.
Correct, MoS is not as good as Cap 1(and most likely 2 as well).
WyndhamPrice
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Marvel's cinematic success isn't riding on one film at a time.
Chezzymann
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The critics don't think so.
Man of Steel tomatometer: 56% (Rotten)
Captain America: The First Avenger tomatometer: 79% (Fresh)
Man of Steel Metacritic: 55%
Captain America: The First Avenger metacritic: 66%
shira
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I don't get these comments. First Gal Gadot needs to eat a sammich and workout. Now Cobie Smulders is too mannish.
WTF does GAF want???????????????????????????????????????????
BadAss2961
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None of them have a lot riding on them in terms of future plans or Marvel's overall standing. In other words, they're not all that important.
I know this already. But I really doubt that the general audience or many objective people would agree if you were to directly compare the two.
Razgriz-Specter
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Even people that despise Superman or Man of Steel will go see what is up with the new Batman.
If the new Batman is shit he will single-handedly destroy Justice League and a future Batman series.
But until people see it for themselves he still has momentum from TDK and TDKR.
So untill we see both it dumb to say one would destroy the other.
If the new Batman is shit he will single-handedly destroy Justice League and a future Batman series.
But until people see it for themselves he still has momentum from TDK and TDKR.
So untill we see both it dumb to say one would destroy the other.
Colonel Nasty
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Tell that to Amazing SpiderMan.
Nah, the people that liked MoS liked it before they even saw it.
Captain America :The First Avenger was a fantastic origin movie that ran out of time and suffered for it by putting most action into a montage.
Most criticism the movie gets is the lack of action and the montage being a poor substitute otherwise most agree it was a fantastic movie that caught the tone etc. it was supposed too.
Most criticism the movie gets is the lack of action and the montage being a poor substitute otherwise most agree it was a fantastic movie that caught the tone etc. it was supposed too.
I was only talking about the highlighted part "how exactly does Captain America 2 have so much goodwill and benefit of the doubt"
It's not obvious BvS is going to be a disgrace or get walloped. But I'm not confident in the people handling it.
I both agree and disagree. Marvel has earned the ability to take a hit, but a Green Lantern flop critically would still hurt. Every Film is still very important to building and expanding their universe.
shira
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No, BvS has the momentum of Man of Steel and Batman & Robin.
Nolan is a whole different ballgame.
Razgriz-Specter
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
On top of that, it was dreadfully boring. Glad I am not alone in the MoS hate.
I did not know that was an actual actress. I thought it was just artwork.
daizydoesit
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My god...why would they do this to wonder woman? WHY?!?! I'd rather see a wolf man in a Wonder Woman outfit than to see her.
I'd rather stare into the sun for 45 minutes than to look at her
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
DC movies are awful (yes, that includes the Dark Knight movies) in my opinion. Man of Steel was the most enjoyable for me, but now they've cast that flop Affleck as Batman :/
Cap 3 for me
Cap 3 for me
shira
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BadAss2961
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How does that even work?
Batman & Robin is irrelevant. The Dark Knight Trilogy is people's last impression of Batman.
Nolan isn't "a whole different ballgame." His name was even attached to Man of Steel. lol
Razgriz-Specter
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Quality yes
Perception no
The millions of people that liked Nolans series will want to see whats up with Batman now.
Only idiots will expect similar quality but interest will be extremely high.
Once people know what to expect after BvS his interest will level off depending on his reception.
You get a show on CW that'll probably be more enjoyable than Batman vs Superman!
shira
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Because Dark Knight won an Oscar. It was a better class of Batman.
Nah. Nolan separated it. He made the Dark Knight brand.
BadAss2961
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I liked the trilogy as much as anyone, but it wasn't a definitive take on Batman. If nothing else, I know Snyder will have a much cooler Batman than Nolan's.
The more I think about it, I kinda wish Bale could've been in this upcoming series instead of the Nolan one.
MrPink93485
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I meant the opposite but I edited too late.
Razgriz-Specter
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If they just get the suit right we will be getting the coolest movie Batman for sure.
Why do people think Batman/Superman will so easily trounce Captain America 3?
Man of Steel barely beat out Thor: Dark World worldwide with MoS having some of the most ridiculously expensive advertising campaigns.
If Winter Soldier is as awesome as people are saying it is so far and Avengers 2 cleans up, Captain America 3 will be riding a high.
Man of Steel barely beat out Thor: Dark World worldwide with MoS having some of the most ridiculously expensive advertising campaigns.
If Winter Soldier is as awesome as people are saying it is so far and Avengers 2 cleans up, Captain America 3 will be riding a high.
Colonel Nasty
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Spider-Man was the biggest Comic movie star at one time and that didn't help Amazing. I don't think just because people liked the Nolan movies means they will see the next thing with batman in it.
shira
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Domestically yes. I don't think the rest of the world approves of the rah-rah-Murica stuff yet. But if 2 is a hit and Avengers 2 nails it, then I think Cap 3 will have that momentum where it becomes must-watch as opposed to side-story.
MisterHero
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Thor got help from The Avengers. Man of Steel was Superman flying solo. If MoS2 isn't a bunch of dumb Supes vs. Bats fighting each other cliche crap then it can still be awesome.
BadAss2961
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That's the thing. Snyder's a fanboy, he'll get the suit right. He also has a knack for action and visual flair. His Batman being cooler and more accurate to the source material is a lock.
I could understand critics and film buffs not thinking much of Snyder, but I really don't understand why some actual fans don't like or trust him.
Discotheque
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Uh you do know the new Spider-Man made a lot of money right? More than these marvel films barring iron man series
BadAss2961
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I only recently realized how much money that movie made.
bigboss370
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huehuehue
Superman and Batman in the same movie is a historical event...sorry cap
Superman and Batman in the same movie is a historical event...sorry cap
MrPink93485
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Because Batman Superman will have an even MORE ridiculously expensive ad campaign and has novelty factor to go with it. It's not merely a sequel to MoS. With Batman co-piloting, it's unlikely this thing is missing anywhere below 900 million, unless of course Marvel and DC go for mutually assured destruction.
I don't even expect Batman/Superman to be very good. But you'd be lying if you didn't think curiosity factor is going to play a huge huge factor in getting people into theaters whereas you're looking at the third installment of a Captain America film, though it definitely has a quality factor going for it assuming the early word is true. Unless Captain America sees a Batman Begins --> Dark Knight box office jump though, it's unlikely to beat Batman/Superman.
Colonel Nasty
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It made less than 2 & 3 despite inflation, expanded markets, and 3D charges. Batman Begins didn't do well even though it was received well and released during the initial superhero boom. I don't think adding Batman to a sequel to "bad" movie equals success.
lovely ladies
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The movie as a whole might be lackluster but yeah Snyder can indeed film some cool action sequences. This Batman will probably be doing moves straight out of the Arkham games.
shira
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He's in a no-win scenario.
He can go grey/blue/black, but the design would have to be impeccable to do proper hommage and stimulate the young male demographic.
Or he can go batman beyond.
Or he can stick with Nolan.
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...f/f1/TheHistoryoftheBatSuit_4ef8a37b2d343.jpg
It's kind of amazing, a few years ago a Batman X Superman movie would have been a dream come true for me.
But now, after MoS, Snyder, Goyer, and all the weird crap surrounding this movie, I'm really only interested in it because of how bad it might end up being.
I can't wait to see Cap 2 though, the utmost confidence Marvel has in it, and the directors makes me hype. Also they managed to make Falcon of all characters kinda cool.
But now, after MoS, Snyder, Goyer, and all the weird crap surrounding this movie, I'm really only interested in it because of how bad it might end up being.
I can't wait to see Cap 2 though, the utmost confidence Marvel has in it, and the directors makes me hype. Also they managed to make Falcon of all characters kinda cool.
Razgriz-Specter
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Spiderman 3 was one of the worst comic movies of all time.
Thats what hurt Amazing in addition to it being comparatively bad/dull itself.
Didn't the costume guy reveal that we would see them soon somewhere.
MrPink93485
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It was also a reboot that was a retread of the first film and sandwiched in between the two biggest superhero films of all time. It's not like TASM performed spectacularly, but it performed well enough given the circumstances.
There is a point where advertising has diminishing returns. The only saving grace is that the international market is more receptive to Batman than Superman. MoS being 'meh' to 'terrible' doesn't really give B/S momentum. They are going to be going off of name recognition alone.
LumpOfCole
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Honestly, I can see myself watching both back to back.
MrPink93485
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Sure, MoS being meh doesn't give Batman/Superman momentum. Adding a slew of characters, especially recognizable ones, is probably enough however for most audiences to give it a 2nd chance, not to mention pick up new viewers. I can't buy into many arguments of Captain America beating Batman/Superman until we at least see the international grosses of The Winter Soldier.
TAJ
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Yup. Momentum matters, a lot.
Many a shitty sequel to a good movie has ridden that wave of goodwill. And if your sequel is actually good... cha ching.
Fucking Spider-Man 3 made more than Spider-Man 2. 'Nuff said.
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