Both can make sense. I'm really wondering what is up. Sounds like TPP is going to begin with a mind fuck right off the bat.
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Both can make sense. I'm really wondering what is up. Sounds like TPP is going to begin with a mind fuck right off the bat.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The twist is that he was giving himself the shot. There was just Big Boss.
keltickennedy
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Red herring. Big Boss gives the injection to himself.
That's the one thing I can't really think up an explanation for. Unless the injection didn't really happen and it was motivation to get moving.
I can't wait to see it play out in TPP, but even then I think much of the hospital scenes will be up to our own interpretation.
EDIT: Or yeah, as the two above posters said, it could have been Big Boss that injected himself.
The idea of Mantis trying to help Big Boss in the hospital escape XOF is great! So who sent Mantis? I'm betting it's Cipher. Also someone in this thread speculated that Cipher isn't really that bad with Phantom Pain showing Big Boss is truly the bad guy being backed by Ocelot and Eva just because they are loyal to him. I'm also betting that at the end of Phantom Pain, Big Boss will side again with Zero and command Fox-Hound once again while also leading Outer Heaven.
Probably Cipher, you're right.
We'd have three things happening:
1. Skullface/XOF trying to kill Snake
2. Mantis(Cipher) trying to help Snake for some reason
3. Ocelot trying to help Snake also.
How did they know Big Boss had just woken up, too? The nurse we see in the trailer runs off and tells the doctor, could have told others too. Maybe the hospital is XOF owned.
I do think we are going to get more on Cipher/Zero's point of view in TPP. We will see Big Boss in a different light, that's for sure.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
The one I think you're talking about is actually one of only maybe three I can imagine anyone finding on their own.
For the notice to come up you have to be in exactly the right spot and basically stopped. I walked over one of them literally scores of times without the prompt coming up.
The other couple ones stand out against the environment and are just out of the way.
The Silver
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Zero tried to launch a nuke at the US, he and BB are both bad.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
But who is XOF and skullface?
If the hospital is owned by XOF, wouldn't they have killed him in the nine years he was in a coma rather than wait for him to wake up first?
We dunno, however it wouldn't be hard to imagine that a group of people are opposed to Zero/Cipher's attempts to control the world.
Thats fine and all, but i can't just see how a man in a coma for 9 YEARS can just start running off after about twenty minutes, not to mention that he is in excellent shape for someone who couldn't exercise for such a long time i just find that to be a bit of a strech i know he is Big Boss, but come on that is streching it thin.
no, and its ridiculous to even claim so. The S3 plan makes complete sense and ties together exactly what zero intended to do with AI. Paz even hints at it in peace walker and its only fair zero actually puts it to the test.
I'm going to go out and say it, but i don't believe you will be seeing a glimpse of zero in this game. I believe kojima will keep him as the man behind the curtain, and honestly, it grows the mystique of his character. Why would they even bother showing him anyway? it would just kill the character in my opinion. What makes zero interesting is the unknown.
Then the lesser evil.
akidnamededdy
Banned
I really hope you're wrong. I need to know more about the big bad of the whole MG series
than his role in 3 as your CO and his role in 4 as a pants-shitting vegetable.
KittenMaster
Member
I say no. Hungarian lineage alone is enough to rule out many of the characters in the existing series.is skullface sokolov
think about it
prtty much identical
luckygodzilla
Member
Highly doubtful. Not only are their voices different, but I find it hard to believe that the morally conflicted coward that was sokolov would turn into a child torturing monster.is skullface sokolov
think about it
prtty much identical
The Silver
Member
can't kill a character we know jack shit about, I don't feel any "mystique" at all from him, all I remember is loveable British commander.
brianmcdoogle
Member
You guys are all looking in the wrong place for the identity of Skullface.
This guy is Skullface
This guy is Skullface
It's sort of like poetry; it rhymes.
About the Huey theory, I'm pretty sure it's just a red herring. In Japanese, Skullface says 「世間知らずの科学者は窓口だった。」
The 「世間知らず」part roughly translate to "somebody who doesn't know how the world/society works", something you'd employ for rich kids or an idiot like Huey, who doesn't realize it's a trap.
edit > Of course, it's still his fault but what I mean is that he didn't betray BB.
The 「世間知らず」part roughly translate to "somebody who doesn't know how the world/society works", something you'd employ for rich kids or an idiot like Huey, who doesn't realize it's a trap.
edit > Of course, it's still his fault but what I mean is that he didn't betray BB.
Sevket-Erhat
Member
I wonder how he became so evil even if its him
Noisepurge
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immortal-joe
Member
So amidst the craziness in this thread I finally made the connection:
Mantis = Chico
Yyyyep, you know he's going to do it. Seriously, he will. Then you will all cry, and I will laugh, laugh and grow fat.
Mantis = Chico
Yyyyep, you know he's going to do it. Seriously, he will. Then you will all cry, and I will laugh, laugh and grow fat.
Chico should in his twenties, by then, and that Mantis-like figure looks more like a kid to me, but who knows.
Seth Balmore
Member
That would require retconning Mantis' whole backstory, and I know Kojima mentioned retcons, but I seriously doubt he'd completely rewrite a character's entire background.
Besides, it'd be lame as fuck.
immortal-joe
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AuthenticM
Member
Skullface says that Big Boss and he "go way back", in one of the tapes. This line seems to negate the possibility of him being Zadornov, considering that Zadornov only knew BB for some weeks. If Skullface is someone whom the player knows from a previous game, I'd say Gene would be plausible. After all, he hates Zero just as BB does.
ComputerBlue
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I just picked the game up yesterday and played through the main ops once, but am I wrong in thinking that it was Chico who gave away the location of Motherbase and not Paz?
Also, playing the PS3 version, in next gen versions does snakes hair get wet? Because it kinda bothers me that it's raining so hard but his hair is dry, lol.
Also, playing the PS3 version, in next gen versions does snakes hair get wet? Because it kinda bothers me that it's raining so hard but his hair is dry, lol.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I think Skull Face is a new character only because I believe in one tape he talks about his origins and IIRC he was young when his face got messed up.
Chico gave away Big Boss' location, and Paz supposedly gave away Zero's. Paz fought hard to not give away Mother Base but Chico ended up spilling the beans. Paz herself gave away Zero willingly because she knew that Cipher would torture her for failing her mission (that's why despite coming to love Mother Base and the MSF, she tried to fuck them over in Peace Walker anyway. Because Cipher's punishment would be too severe.)
Chico gave away Big Boss' location, and Paz supposedly gave away Zero's. Paz fought hard to not give away Mother Base but Chico ended up spilling the beans. Paz herself gave away Zero willingly because she knew that Cipher would torture her for failing her mission (that's why despite coming to love Mother Base and the MSF, she tried to fuck them over in Peace Walker anyway. Because Cipher's punishment would be too severe.)
ArchedThunder
Banned
I honestly don't think you should take anything from Portable Ops as canon.
Yeah, he is probably a new character.
AuthenticM
Member
I know. It shouldn't be canonical, but apparently Kojima said it was last week. :/
He said is was part canon-part not, the details were non-canon (sokolov returning, Grey Fox being null etc) but the overall plot arc was canon (big boss gaining soldiers, gaining funds etc)
I don't buy the Skullface is a new character argument. He clearly hates Zero and Big Boss and has history with both of them. You'd think he'd have been introduced by now if that was true. We've seen a good portion of BB's history. The only missing link could be WWII with The Boss possibly, but you'd think he'd be mentioned?
I know people started saying this when he was first revealed and then promptly debunked it, but I still think Skullface is Volgin.
I don't have any solid evidence, but I have my reasons:
- Skullface clearly loves torture, just like Volgin
- His voice and speech style are very similar. Not identical, but not very far off at all. He sounds closer to MGS3 Volgin than GZ BB sounds to MGS3 BB, IMO.
- He's a misogynist, same as Volgin. I think this is clear from the tapes. Either that or he just
As for his motives, he's intent on killing BB and Cipher (Zero). Why? Well, BB "killed" him the first time, and Zero inherited The Boss's legacy, not him. As well as the Philosopher's Legacy. I think he wants it all back. He's a pretty vengeful character.
The only contradiction I can currently think of is that in one of the tapes you get from the side missions details Skullface's backstory, and he basically says he grew up in a small-ish village with a factory, which caught fire and caused his burned skin. Who knows what to make of this. Let's not forget that Volgin had pretty bad facial burns/scars as well, though. So you could say that, I suppose.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
I know people started saying this when he was first revealed and then promptly debunked it, but I still think Skullface is Volgin.
I don't have any solid evidence, but I have my reasons:
- Skullface clearly loves torture, just like Volgin
- His voice and speech style are very similar. Not identical, but not very far off at all. He sounds closer to MGS3 Volgin than GZ BB sounds to MGS3 BB, IMO.
- He's a misogynist, same as Volgin. I think this is clear from the tapes. Either that or he just
really, really hates Paz.
The only contradiction I can currently think of is that in one of the tapes you get from the side missions details Skullface's backstory, and he basically says he grew up in a small-ish village with a factory, which caught fire and caused his burned skin. Who knows what to make of this. Let's not forget that Volgin had pretty bad facial burns/scars as well, though. So you could say that, I suppose.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
AuthenticM
Member
How confusing. Grey Fox being Null is not what I'd call a "detail". He should have straight-up disowned it.
I probably didn't listen to the tape in which he says that BB "killed" him the first time. Damn, I guess that's a point towards him being Volgin. Also, Volgin "died" by electrocution and burning, which would explain his face.
AgentLampshade
Member
Skull Face also seems to have knowledge on Big Boss's MSF exploits in Costa Rica. At the end of one tape he says to Chico
Which is a direct quote from Big Boss:
Or it could just be another Kojima reusing dialogue caper. He's quite fond of doing that.
Which is a direct quote from Big Boss:
Or it could just be another Kojima reusing dialogue caper. He's quite fond of doing that.
Oh my god
SKULLFACE IS CHICO
but no seriously he doesn't look anything like Volgin and doesn't act like him either (seems a lot smarter), I think he's new)
D
Deleted member 80556
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There's no way Skullface is Volgin.
Skullface doesn't even remember his mother language. He said himself that his injuries come from his childhood, when the factory where everybody's moms and dads worked and was destroyed by (probably) the US.
He survived extensive burning, to the point where his only reminder of being alive is the pain (which sounds oddly similar to what is said in the trailer post credits). He was taken prisoner and was tortured for information. The only words he remembers were in the hospital where a nurse said "The poor thing, he should die to get some rest", which was in his mother language, but as I said he forgot how it was said in his mother language.
He said that he survived only to get revenge, because the hope of getting justice/revenge of his people rests only on him as he's the only survivor of his town, apparently. Or something along those lines.
No way he's Volgin.
Skullface doesn't even remember his mother language. He said himself that his injuries come from his childhood, when the factory where everybody's moms and dads worked and was destroyed by (probably) the US.
He survived extensive burning, to the point where his only reminder of being alive is the pain (which sounds oddly similar to what is said in the trailer post credits). He was taken prisoner and was tortured for information. The only words he remembers were in the hospital where a nurse said "The poor thing, he should die to get some rest", which was in his mother language, but as I said he forgot how it was said in his mother language.
He said that he survived only to get revenge, because the hope of getting justice/revenge of his people rests only on him as he's the only survivor of his town, apparently. Or something along those lines.
No way he's Volgin.
ArchedThunder
Banned
They keep saying it is, but they never mention it in the games.
D
Deleted member 80556
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Wasn't Portable Ops one of the games that didn't disappear with the UV light, while other like MGS4, 3, 2, 1 and Ground Zeroes (the obvious canon ones) did disappear?
I think it's time to nip the idea that Skull Face is a known character in the bud.
He's had the scarred skin since he was young.
Identify his motivations and actions:
> He calls Jack 'Big Boss', his US military designation.
> He doesn't mind killing Big Boss, and wants to kill Zero.
> He and Big Boss go way back.
He also says several things to Chico about Big Boss regarding who he'd rescue and his listening capability.
My theory:
Skull Face was a member of FOX, and comrade to Snake. Under Zero's instructions a young Big Boss abandons or betrays Skull Face.
Contradicting this, however, Skull Face works for Zero under orders delivered by 'proxy'. Is Zero aware that Skull Face is on the other end of those orders? Perhaps Skull Face is presumed dead by Zero and Big Boss, a 'phantom'. The phantom could also refer to Zero, though.
Yep, I'm excited for TPP.
He's had the scarred skin since he was young.
Identify his motivations and actions:
> He calls Jack 'Big Boss', his US military designation.
> He doesn't mind killing Big Boss, and wants to kill Zero.
> He and Big Boss go way back.
He also says several things to Chico about Big Boss regarding who he'd rescue and his listening capability.
My theory:
Skull Face was a member of FOX, and comrade to Snake. Under Zero's instructions a young Big Boss abandons or betrays Skull Face.
Contradicting this, however, Skull Face works for Zero under orders delivered by 'proxy'. Is Zero aware that Skull Face is on the other end of those orders? Perhaps Skull Face is presumed dead by Zero and Big Boss, a 'phantom'. The phantom could also refer to Zero, though.
Yep, I'm excited for TPP.