is this where you post the collection of images showing punished snake is really decoy octopus
MGSV: Ground Zeroes - Spoilers Thread - #TeamBowie
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That's just where I point out that we have Miller asking "what about him?" about an unseen third wounded person (who is also "the camera" during that scene), and that this is followed by Punished Snake (who is "the camera" at that point) waking up in a hospital and talking with a mysterious "Ishmael" guy who does and says a lot of odd things that might indicate he's some kind of Tyler Durden-like hallucination (has the same voice actor as Punished Snake, doesn't offer any much needed physical help, points to Punished Snake when asked who he is, hesitates between using the words "I" and "we", seems to disappear after a car crash during the escape from the hospital (I half-expect Kojima to proudly point out how Snake was in the driver's seat all along and then candidly go "Fight Club? what's that?")).
As much as I agree about many previous theories being downright inane, there really are reasons to suspect some kind of weird twist/switcheroo there...
I also think it's quite likely Decoy Octopus will be at least referenced in an oblique way, considering we already have Eli (extremely likely to be a young Liquid Snake), Ocelot (aka Revolver Ocelot), a female sniper (like Sniper Wolf), a Native American shaman (like Vulcan Raven) and a floating gasmask-wearing child (possibly a young Psycho Mantis). Maybe Skull Face will fill that spot, maybe it will be something else.
Metalingus5150
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You know what I just realized, this scene from the MGSV trailer isn't present in GZ, I guess he cut it or chose to show Snake looking out at a different angle.
Imagine TPP releases and has the "directors cut" of ground zeroes in the beginning?
Complete with new scenes.
Rogue Agent
Banned
But he still intended to kill him, even after Paz talked.
"Will this save Big Boss?"
"It may."
What I gather from that is that he was definitely going to try to kill Big Boss for Zero to come out of hiding, but he "may" spare him if Paz tells Skullface where Zero is.
Then I look at the Bombs inside of Paz, they were aimed at killing Big Boss. Skullface wanted Paz to choose whether or not Big Boss dies, cause he's sick.
ArchedThunder
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If it isn't just a cutscene I would feel like I wasted 20 bucks.
Pitch Black Flint
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Well, that's the point. We won't see our character's face during cutscenes because it's all in first person. I don't expect the character to actively participate in story sequences or even have a voice over. Just observe and follow along for the most part. I could also see him being interrogated along with Huey and the others by Kaz and Ocelot at some point while they're trying to figure out who the spy is. That would fill the void for the obligatory torture endurance minigame that's become a staple of MGS rather nicely.
Rogue Agent
Banned
But there's a tape after that, which indicates that Skull Face intends to see Big Boss dead. The tape you mentioned takes place before the tape I'm talking about.
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Deleted member 80556
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Fans would be pissed.
Yeah, that is why I doubt that is going to happen. Kojima is trying to create a cinematic experience, which means no audience participation. Plus, I wouldn't want to have to stop the game just to create a character. Maybe side-ops or extra-ops you will play as other characters, if Peace walker is anything to go by, but being involved in the story is something I am highly doubtful of.
Strange, I wonder what his real game is then. I'll listen to the tape in question.
The Silver
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come on guys........I know Raiden was traumatizing for some people but....come on.......
Rogue Agent
Banned
Yeah, he's mysterious - that's for sure. During the end of the tape, he says "First Big Boss. Then Zero. Liberation is at hand."
keltickennedy
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Yeah there is a pretty heartfelt moment in PW related to why he stops wearing the bandanna. I'm glad Kojima stuck with the look.
Pitch Black Flint
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What are you talking about? I loved Raiden! And this has nothing to do with anyone taking the place of Snake. He will still be the main character and the one that we control for the majority of the game and definitely for the story heavy parts. But there is a third survivor in the hospital with Snake and Kaz and this is just something that I believe could be a possibility.
keltickennedy
Member
I thought Kojima addressed the "third person theory"? That Kaz was referring to you the player during the hospital scene. Or maybe he said that it was actually himself.
Pitch Black Flint
Member
Yes, but I'm wondering how that fits into the context of the game world. Did he mean it figuratively, or is there an actual representation of ourselves within the game? With Kojima's tendency to break the fourth wall, I don't know. I just find it fun to speculate about these things in anticipation of the game.
KittenMaster
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They probably just didn't want to do facial mocap for that guy. EDIT: or imply he's a significant character for that matter, keeping the focus on everyone else.
It's really odd, even when Kaz pushes him away, the medic has his face completely turned in the opposite direction.
I don't know, Kojima praised how easy it is to implement mocap now thanks to the new engine and then he decides to not use it on the medic?
Yeah he's always in an awkward position or angle
Callibretto
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just heard some of the tapes, not all of them, so Cipher is really just an intelligence agency, don't have military power and he wants Big Boss PMC to be Cipher's military division but Big Boss refused.
so presumably, XOF is the new military branch of Cipher isn't it?
so presumably, XOF is the new military branch of Cipher isn't it?
This is what happens when people write prequels in increasingly convoluted canon while constantly trying to link shit together.
There's a
secret Kaz tape at the end of PW after you do a whole bunch of extra stuff. I never got it though.
I don't see why it doesn't make sense. Miller was a tertiary character, his being expendable in such a way made the twist. I don't think revisiting mgs1 would really change that unless maybe we got a game where we play as liquid. I think a game centered on Liquid during his time in the SAS leading up to Metal Gear Solid might be interesting.
Yeah, I know about that tape however it seems to be recorded before the final battle with ZEKE and PAZ. In the secret tape he speaks with who is presumably Zero and informs him of BB's progress and the expansion of MSF, he also asks about the clones, in the end he mentions to Zero he is not an ally or enemy, he's in it strictly for the business. Which is what he admits to BB in the final ending of PW that he used Zero to expand MSF which he sees as a valuable business in the future.
He said it was actually himself. And I don't buy it. The moment when Big Boss falls into a coma doesn't quite sound like the best time for a funny "let's break the 4th wall! Kojima's in the room!". That's a bit like having Sasaki take a shit in the bushes in the foreground just as Snake salutes his dead mentor's grave. I know Kojima makes weird decisions, but that's a bit too much even for him.
KittenMaster
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Do you have the source on that? I take that kind of comment from Kojima as him being goofy and saying he's a cameraman or some other kind of meta commentary while the in-game character isn't actually him.
Here at 5:36.
I think he was lying/evading the question in order not to give anything away (guess he underestimated the fans when he put that trailer together).
Skullface is trying to find and kill Zero, so probably not. I mean he also wants to kill Big Boss and dismantle his organization because revenge.
KittenMaster
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Yeah he's totally saying he's the "cameraman". He even describes it from a game developer standpoint.
Yeah I do not buy it, there is no way that the scene would play out like that in the game with just a weird 4th wall break. I wonder if the guy is the surgeon? Maybe there is a reason we do not see his face in Ground Zeroes.
So any idea why the timeline at the end goes all the way until 2008? I kind of missed it, does it reference only real world events, or also MGS stuff?
So any idea why the timeline at the end goes all the way until 2008? I kind of missed it, does it reference only real world events, or also MGS stuff?
Game would be too easy to Rambo through if you had infinite ammo.
I said something similar a few pages back. I think the medic is the third dude.
bigboss370
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Anyone else get a laugh out the part in the Deja Vu mission where you look for the different game logos, and Kaz says "doesn't look that important" when you find the metal gear rising one? 
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
How do you unlock Deja Vu mission?
Also, does anyone have a close look of the medic? Screenshot perhaps?
Also, does anyone have a close look of the medic? Screenshot perhaps?
bigboss370
Member
Find all the XOF patches (you have to do it during the main Ground Zeroes mission).
One of them was insanely hard for me to find, and then when I found it my mind was blown >_>
you're reading into it too much. it's probably chico... or perhaps its decoy octopus disguised as grey fox (who is having plastic surgery and brain washing) into thinking hes big boss?!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Got a perfect score on that MGS1 quiz. Felt good. I'd have felt bad if I didn't considering how many iterations of that story I've gone through (MGS1, MGS2 Natasha Romanenko recap, Twin Snakes, Digital Graphic Novel..... I didn't read the book novel though!)
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
At the end credits that's Paz right?
Yes.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yeah in fact I'm pretty sure it's just taken from one of the 7 Chico tapes.
It is. Paz and Skully, think it's tape 6?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Ah okay so she is still dead then.
This game makes me realize I really need to go back and play PW. My memory is so spotty of everything that happens.
Finished the game, enjoyed it. Glad its 60fps on next gen consoles.
So where do I get all the extra tapes? Thats from the main mission? I still have to find one lol. And people are telling Chico was forced to have sex with Paz? Wtf... well the game has some pretty fucked up moments. But yes, in a military prison I guess some very twisted things would happen like rape and all kinds of torture.
So where do I get all the extra tapes? Thats from the main mission? I still have to find one lol. And people are telling Chico was forced to have sex with Paz? Wtf... well the game has some pretty fucked up moments. But yes, in a military prison I guess some very twisted things would happen like rape and all kinds of torture.
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Deleted member 80556
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So this is how the "Classified Intel Data" recording looks with spectogram:
Crap, I'm terrible at this. Any other way to decode the audio?
Crap, I'm terrible at this. Any other way to decode the audio?