MGSV: Ground Zeroes - Spoilers Thread - #TeamBowie
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BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Sigint was foreshadowed to be the DARPA chief since they mention that he joins ARPA in the credits, and since you know, they're both black.
Para-Medic's heel turn was foreshadowed in her optional calls with Snake about cloning, gene therapy, and soldier genes.
Zero used the password: "Who are the Patriots? And La Li Lu Le Lo" in MGS3. And he was all but confirmed to be the founder in PO.
Maybe thinking they would be the big bads in MGS4 wasn't immediately obvious (I'm not claiming I made the connection myself), but clear hints were there.
On the other hand, thinking that Eva is a random nurse that doesn't look anything like her, nor does she have the same hair color that she maintained for 50 years is some dumb fucking shit.
Para-Medic's heel turn was foreshadowed in her optional calls with Snake about cloning, gene therapy, and soldier genes.
Zero used the password: "Who are the Patriots? And La Li Lu Le Lo" in MGS3. And he was all but confirmed to be the founder in PO.
Maybe thinking they would be the big bads in MGS4 wasn't immediately obvious (I'm not claiming I made the connection myself), but clear hints were there.
On the other hand, thinking that Eva is a random nurse that doesn't look anything like her, nor does she have the same hair color that she maintained for 50 years is some dumb fucking shit.
MiamiWesker
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In one of the tapes. He talks about how he became the way he was. His family were researchers, nuke goes off, fire melts his skin.
Rogue Agent
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Oh okay, thought you meant something else sorry.
No he doesn't. His parents were factory workers and their factory was bombed by aircraft.
Yeah that shit is reaching. Sigint being the DARPA chief not so much since he was said to go and be the founder of ARPA net. But figuring the entire cast are the patriots prior to finishing mgs3? I dont even want to know why anyone would think its obvious. It isn't, quite frankly its dumb, but thats metal gear.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The Darpa Chief himself was never foreshadowed to be a Patriot, though.
That foreshadows themes in future games, not her becoming a Patriot.
No argument from me on that one, especially when you realized that this code phrase was used before the Patirots were even an organization.
Well, the light in the gif is dark. When she turns her head, you can see it's a lighter shade of blonde. I don't know about "not looking anything like her" though, they seem similar enough.
Indignation
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I'm pretty sure Big Mama confirms in MGS4 that Sigint indeed did become the DARPA chief and Paramedic also went on to be a founding member of the patriots and was a big factor in the les enfantes terribles project
I just said that mgs3 ending alluded to that first point. The idea that it was obvious during mgs3 that they'd become the patriots is what I don't believe.
Indignation
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Sorry, I misread
It wasn't obvious, in that it wasn't told.
But does Zero just twiddle his thumbs after hearing that he was manipulated to command his best soldier to kill his own mentor, over money and other bullshit?
Either he kills himself after MGS3, or does something to address the corrupt US Government.
Hijacking part of the Legacy, using Ocelot to do so (parts of Portable Ops that I'm sure were included to contextualize the MGS4 Patriots reveal), to found an organization that'll replace the government. A stretch, sure, but if someone was going to do it it'd be an imbedded high ranking military tactician with a motive.
By MGS1 the Patriots is AI driven. It decides to fund Philanthropy with parts of the Philosopher's Legacy. It becomes autonomous and starts the war economy. Zero isn't behind that batshit craziness, he's behind the original idea. So he ends as a pained man euthanized by Big Boss, as both men realize they done more bad than good.
The Silver
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SIGINT being Donald Anderson was all but blatantly said, weapons expert joining ARPA?(and he's black) Sounds right to me.
Para-medic had what seemed like throwaway easter eags to the LET project with her cloning talk but in hindsight that "might" have been a hint.(I'm not so sure this one was planned)
Zero is the big one that doesn't make sense based on his character was portrayed. Not one hint of greater ambitions and he didn't seem to care that much about The Boss, just played straight as a nice commander. The "who are the patriots" thing again seems like hint in hindsight but not I'm sure that was the case when the game was made.
Para-medic had what seemed like throwaway easter eags to the LET project with her cloning talk but in hindsight that "might" have been a hint.(I'm not so sure this one was planned)
Zero is the big one that doesn't make sense based on his character was portrayed. Not one hint of greater ambitions and he didn't seem to care that much about The Boss, just played straight as a nice commander. The "who are the patriots" thing again seems like hint in hindsight but not I'm sure that was the case when the game was made.
SJRB
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It's also possible that the nurse is the Boss' half-sister who swore to look over Snake as a dying wish by the Boss.
Another option is that the nurse is Ocelot's niece and she keeps him in the loop of Big Boss' recovery, which explains how Ocelot appeared out of fucking nowhere in front of a burning hospital in Cyprus.
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Deleted member 80556
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I doubt Kojima of all people would allow Eva not being as pretty as she was in MGS3, while Quiet is awesome.
I'd be surprised if kojima planned the story about the patriots since 3 because its really contrived. It would be a testament to his and or murata being poor writers.
While I could see the point this makes a lot of assumptions about zeros character. We knew next to nothing about him as he wasn't a thoroughly developed character. Thinking that he'd be all broken up and kill himself is such a giant leap.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
UNILATERAL
Kojima makes up shit as he goes along. We all know this.
Exactly, which is why knowing since before finishing mgs3 ends that your support staff goes on to become the patriots is kinda ridiculous. I'm just incredulous.
Oh lawd
Not if Chico died in Ground Zeroes.
It's plausible that Sigint and Paramedic were intended to be who they are in MGS1, but not founding members of The Patriots. That part was made up on the spot for MGS4. Zero and Ocelot however got extra foreshadowing indicating they'd consolidate The Philosophers into The Patriots in Portable Ops.
I originally subscribed to this thought but FOX was basically created for the Virtuous Mission, no? Then both Zero and Snake leave after the events of Snake Eater. Not a lot of room for anything important to happen with Skull Face. There's also the thematic notions Kojima's been hinting at. That the conflicts depicted in MGSV are based on intolerance and perceived grievances as opposed to actual ones.
Zero's just paranoid. SIGINT, Paramedic, Ocelot, and EVA probably give out orders to second-level agents.
Perhaps. He wouldn't go back to work the next day, though. Perhaps he'd retire, but I didn't get that sense from his MGS3 portrayal either.
I'd expect him to do something in response to Sokolov and Big Boss' situations. It is a leap to say he'd form the Patriots, but it's perhaps a bigger leap for him to be passive following MGS3.
First, the fact that all the support team members use codenames, never their real names. From the very beginning this seemed suspicious to me, as if Kojima tried to hide their identities for some reason.
Second, Para-Medic at some point starts talking about genes, and I believe she even mentions cloning at some point. Also she being a doctor.
SIGINT was obvious. A weapons expert who mocks the very idea of a "walking tank", and joins ARPA.
And Zero was guilty from the very beginning in my eyes because of his "Who are The Patrios" and "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo" password.
Just wanted to leave a quick comment here about how much I love this thread. Seriously, MGS story threads are the best.
And on topic. Literally the only forshadowing we get of Zero starting the Patriots is the "Who Are the Patriots?" code and response "La-li-lu-le-lo" from the beginning of the game. Zero just happened to be a character from MGS3 that fit with MGS4's reveal.
And no, the nurse is not EVA.
And on topic. Literally the only forshadowing we get of Zero starting the Patriots is the "Who Are the Patriots?" code and response "La-li-lu-le-lo" from the beginning of the game. Zero just happened to be a character from MGS3 that fit with MGS4's reveal.
And no, the nurse is not EVA.
"Dr. Clark" used to be male, guys, don't especulate with this stuff too much
That was only on the english version due to mistranslation. In the original Japanese version the gender of Dr. Clark is never stated.
CoffeeExpress
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Okay I am confused, I thought Big Boss helped Zero start the Patriots and go from there, later disbanding to build outer heaven. However, it looks like Zero has already setup the Patriots himself (as Cipher).
Are the Patriots established at the end of MGS5 ? with Big Boss on board, it's only thing that makes sense to me. Why does Cipher attack Mother Base ?
Are the Patriots established at the end of MGS5 ? with Big Boss on board, it's only thing that makes sense to me. Why does Cipher attack Mother Base ?
Big Boss was one of the founding members. He helped Zero set up the whole thing and later disbanded. He joined and then left The Patriots before Peace Walker took place.
Hahaha!
Erm.
No, he's not.
I mean, not even close. Seriously. What the hell, man.
I completely agree. And yet we have quite a few details that hint at something odd going on (the third wounded person POV, the horn, the Sutherland-voiced "Ishmael"...).
Looks a bit young to me to be Chico, but that's a good point...Probably turns out to be Chico as he's the only character who doesn't need the use of his legs
SkylineRKR
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Its Skull Face going rogue that attacks Mother Base it seems.
Rogue Agent
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Big Boss already left the Patriots. Eva says in MGS4 that he left the patriots, created his own mercenary company and drifted around the world. Peace Walker shows him creating the mercenary company which is MSF/Motherbase. Skull Face destroys Motherbase and he's apparently working against both Zero and Big Boss.
Outer Heaven comes later in South Africa, probably with Diamond Dogs which is his second mercenary company and it's important to note that while Outer Heaven will probably will be our base of operations in the Phantom Pain that the actual uprising that involves Solid Snake didn't happen until 1995 which is 11 years from Phantom Pain. Big Boss also still has to go back to the United States and rejoin FOXHOUND somehow.
AgentLampshade
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Maybe Skull Face is intercepting the "orders by proxy" rather than being on the receiving end?
Sidenote: I haven't collected all the tapes (I've got the first 5, agents recording and the classified data) so I could be wrong here.
Sidenote: I haven't collected all the tapes (I've got the first 5, agents recording and the classified data) so I could be wrong here.
Somebody asked this earlier....
This worked perfectly for me:
PS3 >> Vita
1. You need a USB stick plugged into your PS3
2. Start a save on PS3 while signed in to psn
3. Start PW on PS3 and choose transfarring out from the menu and click ok. The Save will be transfarred to the USB stick (the game thinks its a psp )
3. Go to the PSP/Mini saves folder under Game on your PS3. Choose the USB stick, go to your PW save and press copy, the save will then be copied over to the PSP/Mini saves folder, where the Vita can find it.
4. Connect your Vita and start the content manager. You can now copy the save over and use it.
Vita >> PS3
1. Connect Vita to PS3. Start Content manager and copy the save to PS3.
2. Go to the PSP/Mini saves folder under Game on your PS3. Choose the PW save and copy it over to the USB stick.
3. Start PW on PS3 and choose transfarring in. The Save on your USB stick will be found and imported.
Thats it.
This worked perfectly for me:
PS3 >> Vita
1. You need a USB stick plugged into your PS3
2. Start a save on PS3 while signed in to psn
3. Start PW on PS3 and choose transfarring out from the menu and click ok. The Save will be transfarred to the USB stick (the game thinks its a psp )
3. Go to the PSP/Mini saves folder under Game on your PS3. Choose the USB stick, go to your PW save and press copy, the save will then be copied over to the PSP/Mini saves folder, where the Vita can find it.
4. Connect your Vita and start the content manager. You can now copy the save over and use it.
Vita >> PS3
1. Connect Vita to PS3. Start Content manager and copy the save to PS3.
2. Go to the PSP/Mini saves folder under Game on your PS3. Choose the PW save and copy it over to the USB stick.
3. Start PW on PS3 and choose transfarring in. The Save on your USB stick will be found and imported.
Thats it.
More dumb speculation here while the thread is still going. I think those numbered soldiers in the E3 MGSV trailer who get grouped in with Mantis and the hospital ghosts are prototypes for the what would become the Beauty and the Beast Unit.
-Most of Liquid Ocelot's assets were re-purposed from the Patriots (MG RAY, Arsenal Gear, Vamp, Tengus, The War Economy).
-Psycho Mantis, after his slight turn of heart on his deathbed and revealing that he doesn't care for Liquid, needs to have a motive for helping Liquid Ocelot in MGS4.
What if Cipher's trying to use young Psycho Mantis to control soldiers, as a primitive, early counterpart of SOP? Might be using Russians in Afghanistan for subjects, much like Gulf War troops being used for testing gene therapy.
It would make sense for Ocelot to be the one to oversee this, given his day job in GRU and high place in Cipher's ranks. Also being somewhat psychic and having been abducted by the original conspiracy, The Philosophers - perhaps Mantis comes to genuinely view him as a respectable surrogate father after what happened with his biological one.
-Most of Liquid Ocelot's assets were re-purposed from the Patriots (MG RAY, Arsenal Gear, Vamp, Tengus, The War Economy).
-Psycho Mantis, after his slight turn of heart on his deathbed and revealing that he doesn't care for Liquid, needs to have a motive for helping Liquid Ocelot in MGS4.
What if Cipher's trying to use young Psycho Mantis to control soldiers, as a primitive, early counterpart of SOP? Might be using Russians in Afghanistan for subjects, much like Gulf War troops being used for testing gene therapy.
It would make sense for Ocelot to be the one to oversee this, given his day job in GRU and high place in Cipher's ranks. Also being somewhat psychic and having been abducted by the original conspiracy, The Philosophers - perhaps Mantis comes to genuinely view him as a respectable surrogate father after what happened with his biological one.
BattleMonkey
Member
The side ops are supposed to be recreations of actual missions that happen? They seem to involve gathering info that pertains to what happens in GZ, and noticed at the start of one that it mentions something about reenactment or recreation?
Rogue Agent
Banned
You make a good point but after Skull Face says "get on with it", the tape seems to fast-forward, implying that something must have taken place. After that, Chico breaks and talks.
They might be due to the psudeo historical recreation bit at the beginning of a mission.
fast forward? i always took it as the recording ending then starting again.
but then again that's exactly the point i was making. we don't know what happened in the skip. did chico do it? or didn't he?
nobody knows for sure. just another unknown horror of war.
Valkyri von Thanatos
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Well, that would be nice if it was so unknown... Unfortunately I do not believe that there is any conclusion but the one that comes naturally, it happened. Occam's Razor.
no good answers yet.. everyone should stop speculating about the phantom pain and try to hammer out this one simple detail that's been around since the initial announcement and wasn't answered in our play through of ground zeroes.
no reason for chico's audio jack = no reason to believe jack shit about TPP until we play it.
He looks ashamed when Skull Face see's it, which indicates to me, he stuck the jack in his chest himself. Most likely as a form of self-punishment, either for abusing Paz, giving in to torture, or because his walkman was being utilized by Skull Face during the tortures.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Pretty sure the bomb was in her uterus, if it was lower down she could have taken it out at one point.
plasmawave
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BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Medic and Ishmael are both voiced by Keifer.
I anticipate a lot of mindfuckery in TPP. Some Jacob's Ladder type shit.
I anticipate a lot of mindfuckery in TPP. Some Jacob's Ladder type shit.
KittenMaster
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It's about time Konami made another horror game based on that movie in-house.
Hypemaster
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youtube chico tapes
That's not Ôtsuka Akio. Come on, now.